anarchists gear up for G20 Protests

joseph brand

My Da calls em 'The Smellies'.

So do I.

They probably come from old money, ie. families with estates. They don't need time off work to protest. Because they don't WORK!

They should threaten them that if arrested, they will be given social housing in Darndale, with a job in Tesco's working nights early mornings.

That'll learn em'. That'll learn em' good!

Exneigh

Don't forget that a lot of times these demo's turn ugly its because there are Agent provocateurs there who kick it off!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWbgnyUCC7M

they where caught by the bollox doing it in Canada last year!

It's a media war!

bobbbb

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

The use of this word is a massive step forward for you! Now if we can just get you to read some news and learn a few things about research, you might make an informed contributor yet! Well done!

Great name for a crusty.

Why not get water cannons loaded with soap and shampoo. They'll run so fast in the opposite direction then.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

Capitalism has its flaws. But in general it runs ok (yes, even though we're in recession).

In theory, yes, I agree, but recent events would point that humanity is too flawed and too greedy for a capitalist society to work.

As regards "better colutions"; I'd point at Scandavian models where people are placed before profits, resulting in a much fairer and much more open system. It's still capitalist, but it's a little more left and has a much better balance.

Jo Brand wrote:

My Da calls em 'The Smellies'.

So do I.

They probably come from old money, ie. families with estates. They don't need time off work to protest. Because they don't WORK!

They should threaten them that if arrested, they will be given social housing in Darndale, with a job in Tesco's working nights early mornings.

That'll learn em'. That'll learn em' good!

Probably, probably, probably.... another lazy wonder who can't be arsed reading something.
Calls who the smellies? The anachists? I though that was a lable more for hippies? Ask him next time you see him.

That'll TEACH them. That'll TEACH them WELL.

bobbbb wrote: »

Great name for a crusty.

Why not get water cannons loaded with soap and shampoo. They'll run so fast in the opposite direction then.

Yeah.... that'll work... :rolleyes:

The problem is that, if you look beyond the stereotyopes, you might actually see that there IS an agenda behind all this. Admittedly, they're going about it in completely the wrong way and doing themselves no favours whatsoever (and for the recond, NO, I do NOT support them), but you can't solve a porblem like anarchism without first understanding it, and people are waaaay too lazy to try understanding something.

javaboy

Ikky please tone it down a little.

lostexpectation

smash windows oh dear, wheres the violence?

lostexpectation

the professor was bit silly, bit dramatic

Nodin

delop wrote: »

Did anyone see this guy on the channel 4 news?

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/direct+action+this+weekend/3044372

Crazy stuff, don't know how he is not arrested for incitement to riot.

"mutually assured destruction" sounds scary, had me wondering what would happen if this was a Muslim group, me thinks it would be a very different conversation....

Silly old git. If you're going to do something like that, its best not to advertise. He's probably trying to impress some young one.

Nodin

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

In theory, yes, I agree, but recent events would point that humanity is too flawed and too greedy for a capitalist society to work.

As regards "better colutions"; I'd point at Scandavian models where people are placed before profits, resulting in a much fairer and much more open system. It's still capitalist, but it's a little more left and has a much better balance.

True words. People before profit.

Fratton Fred

Whereas the trade unions holding the country to ransom so they can get their payrise, at a time when half the country is having their paycut is a great demonstration of how socialism works

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Whereas the trade unions holding the country to ransom so they can get their payrise, at a time when half the country is having their paycut is a great demonstration of how socialism works

Not sure I'd want to go down the socialist route either.

Nodin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Whereas the trade unions holding the country to ransom so they can get their payrise, at a time when half the country is having their paycut is a great demonstration of how socialism works

Theres considerably more to it than that. Theres the perception and fact that theres been no real move to engineer a more equitable tax regime. Unfortunately it takes a crisis to motivate people to get off their arses to do anything about it.

It should be pointed out that this kind of thing is hardly conducive to asking anyone, anywhere to taking any sort of cut....
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/docklands-chief-quits-post-in-836447m-tax-loophole-storm-1684877.html?start=2
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/fingleton-resists-pressure-from-government-to-quit-1684881.html

Dyr

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Whereas the trade unions holding the country to ransom so they can get their payrise, at a time when half the country is having their paycut is a great demonstration of how socialism works

As opposed to the banks having the taxpayer risk our entire economy to bail out their private businesses being a great demonstation of how capitalism works?

Sure wasnt rampant socialism that got us into this mess..

Degsy

Nodin wrote: »

True words. People before profit.

So you give all your money to the poor then?

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

So you give all your money to the poor then?

O look, Reductio Ab Absurdum.

If I gave all my money to the poor, I would myself be poor and therefore part of the problem. However, should I and others give some money to the poor, we increase their wellbeing at no great cost to myself.

Degsy

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

You are never informed when it comes to social issues and world politics. Unless of course, you can name a source?



The bit in bold I pretty much agree with. Their backgrounds, I have no idea about and prefer NOT to make wild assumptions upon. I seriously doubt you have read anything worthwhile (and unbiased) on the issue, but will hold my hands up if you can link to something

Here we go again "Can you link to something..can you name a source..blah blah blah".
What an utter load of rubbish you come out with.
You accuse me of being misinformed when the sad fact is that you know absolutely nothing about anything.
Nonsensical ideas aout howe to bring up kids when you have no kids,taking a contary position on a host of subjects you know nothing about and this constant bleating to back things up with links.
How old are you?twenties?Something like that?A former student i'll bet as well?
I know waht i'm talking about because i was knocking around with people who considered themselves anarchists when you were shiiting in your nappies.
I met people who were ALF activists,people who constantly plotted to burn down mcdonalds,blow up laboratories,people who lived on communes,new age travellers the lot.
Almost without exception these people were from well to do families and were very well spoken.
The idea of anarchism and militant vegetarianism had its roots in the 1980's post punk movement started by bands like Crass and Conflict.
As with a lot of people led by music,the followers adopted the lifestyle off the peg which in a lot of cases cost money to do.
Mommy and daddy gave them the money to buy combats and smoke dope all day..and mommy and daddy were usually never too far in the background should things not go to well with the new lifestyle.
I knew a blok who rented a falt in the north circular road with a few of his mates and every week he'd bum a cheque off his father for the rent...he got fined for smashing up a fur shop and his dad payed the money before sonny dear had a chance to go to jail.
That was then,people now are far less militant and more complacent.
If you dont beleive me about the kids who call t hem,selves anarchists nowadays just look at the clothes they wear..they may be scruffy for effect but they are NOT poor.

el_tiddlero

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

Capitalism has its flaws. But in general it runs ok (yes, even though we're in recession).

Got a better solution?

yes. go here http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Degsy wrote: »

Here we go again "Can you link to something..can you name a source..blah blah blah".
What an utter load of rubbish you come out with.
You accuse me of being misinformed when the sad fact is that you know absolutely nothing about anything.

Of course I do. I accused you of guessing and being uninfromed. Your word is not sacred and has to be backed up like mine and everyone elses. Sometimes, yes, I tend to know nothing about something, in whcih case I don't post on the thread.

Nonsensical ideas aout howe to bring up kids when you have no kids,taking a contary position on a host of subjects you know nothing about and this constant bleating to back things up with links.

I've lived with kids, worked with kids and probably spent more hours with kids than most adults do, but we're getting off the point here.

How old are you?twenties?Something like that?A former student i'll bet as well?

Wrong on both counts - I'm 38 and with the exception of three night courses, have done no formal education since the leaving cert. Most of my experience comes from travel and living abroad and seeing how other societies work; as well as seeing the pain greed and crass capitalism causes people. Look around: there are a lot of miserable people about.

I know waht i'm talking about because i was knocking around with people who considered themselves anarchists when you were shiiting in your nappies.

That would put you you late 60s/early 70s? Would be interested in hearing your experiences though: were you one yourself, or just hang out with them? What were their motives, or how did they see their 'perfect' world?

I met people who were ALF activists,people who constantly plotted to burn down mcdonalds,blow up laboratories,people who lived on communes,new age travellers the lot.
Almost without exception these people were from well to do families and were very well spoken.

Now we're getting somewhere. Keep talking.

The idea of anarchism and militant vegetarianism had its roots in the 1980's post punk movement started by bands like Crass and Conflict.
As with a lot of people led by music,the followers adopted the lifestyle off the peg which in a lot of cases cost money to do.

Fair enough, but why did I have to drag it out of you?

Mommy and daddy gave them the money to buy combats and smoke dope all day..and mommy and daddy were usually never too far in the background should things not go to well with the new lifestyle.

Ah, but there were parents so they knew more about looking after kids and stopping them from becoming criminals than any one else, don't they?

I knew a blok who rented a falt in the north circular road with a few of his mates and every week he'd bum a cheque off his father for the rent...he got fined for smashing up a fur shop and his dad payed the money before sonny dear had a chance to go to jail.

Agree - let the fecker deal with the consequneces of his own actions.

That was then,people now are far less militant and more complacent.
If you dont beleive me about the kids who call t hem,selves anarchists nowadays just look at the clothes they wear..they may be scruffy for effect but they are NOT poor.

Interesting background. If you'd come out with this earlier on it would have saved a lot of hassle. Personally, I don't approve of their methods but I believe there is some misguided notion behind their actions rather than just pointless vandalism. Did you ever manage to find out what they thought they were doing?

Outr of interest, what age group do you yourself fall into?

javaboy

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Wrong on both counts - I'm 38 and with the exception of three night courses, have done no formal education since the leaving cert.
...

That would put you you late 60s/early 70s?

But that's not possible! You disagree with Degsy therefore you must be a young student. :pac:

Nodin

javaboy wrote: »

But that's not possible! You disagree with Degsy therefore you must be a young student. :pac:

...asked for sources too, the trolling shite-stirrer....must be unemployed too....

Stay_in_Kampuchea

Holiday In Cambodia.

Fratton Fred

Stay_in_Kampuchea wrote: »

Holiday In Cambodia.

Where people dress in Black?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Stay_in_Kampuchea wrote: »

Holiday In Cambodia.

Are you Gary Glitter?
(Or was that Vietnam...?)

Iang87

el_tiddlero wrote: »

yes. go here http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com

just read all that dude. to sum it up for people who dont want to read all of it, i believe the words pants, tripe, crap wrap it up perfectly

also sounds very cult like. What happens if people dont agree with all this like i assume most will, wil those people like me just be done away with, seen as collateral damage or how is it put "The Means is the End". Just terrible stuff disgusted i even read it

el_tiddlero

Iang87 wrote: »

just read all that dude. to sum it up for people who dont want to read all of it, i believe the words pants, tripe, crap wrap it up perfectly

also sounds very cult like. What happens if people dont agree with all this like i assume most will, wil those people like me just be done away with, seen as collateral damage or how is it put "The Means is the End". Just terrible stuff disgusted i even read it

that's a pity. The man asked for an alternative, and theirs is certainly that. I find it strange that you would be so disgusted by it though.. as for cultish, well they don't want your money or anything from you, only that you be aware that just because we operate in a capitalist climate now, does not mean we must do so eternally. I particularly enjoyed their sections on technology and spirituality, felt they made reasonable, well argued points.

You on the other hand, have just resorted to abuse rather than making any attempt at a criticism of their ideas, which imo is pants, tripe, crap

Iang87

el_tiddlero wrote: »

that's a pity. The man asked for an alternative, and theirs is certainly that. I find it strange that you would be so disgusted by it though.. as for cultish, well they don't want your money or anything from you, only that you be aware that just because we operate in a capitalist climate now, does not mean we must do so eternally. I particularly enjoyed their sections on technology and spirituality, felt they made reasonable, well argued points.

You on the other hand, have just resorted to abuse rather than making any attempt at a criticism of their ideas, which imo is pants, tripe, crap

ok ok just one argument who's gonna lead this thing, they said about men in power ruling all. who will lead this movement? who decides if someone is to get arrested, who puts people in the research area of development. Whether you lik it or not someone has to lead

el_tiddlero

Iang87 wrote: »

ok ok just one argument who's gonna lead this thing, they said about men in power ruling all. who will lead this movement? who decides if someone is to get arrested, who puts people in the research area of development. Whether you lik it or not someone has to lead

I think the idea is that we all LEAD our own lives, for the common good.

Iang87

el_tiddlero wrote: »

I think the idea is that we all LEAD our own lives, for the common good.

oh ok thats fine so all makes sense now. I'm gonna put you into research as to why you feel the need to put a wink smilie at the end of that. Since i lead my own life i guess i can, or do i have to apply to people or who makes these decisions. I also think i'll put you into another research department so that you can learn how to answer a question rather than avoid it, for the common good of course

el_tiddlero

my apologies, i'll admit that was a smart-ass answer.

the reason it was so is because I don't know the answer to your question. I don't know who will lead, or how it will function, becuase that information is not available.

As i said before, someone asked for an alternative to capitalism/socialism, so i told them where to find one. As, it seems to me anyhow, zeitgeist is merely a theory with little or no practical evidence supporting it, a lot of questions are going to have to remain unanswered. AFAIK they are building a prototype city where they will try and live as they have outlined. If they achieve that goal, then perhaps more information on the social hierarchies that may emerge under their systems will come to light. Until then, and even beyond then, it is your choice whether you think their ideas are good or bad. Personally I like them, because they're a damn sight better than where were at now with capitalism, and because they appeal to my own personal taste for a simpler life not befuddled with endless unnecessary jobs..

Iang87

el_tiddlero wrote: »

my apologies, i'll admit that was a smart-ass answer.

the reason it was so is because I don't know the answer to your question. I don't know who will lead, or how it will function, becuase that information is not available.

As i said before, someone asked for an alternative to capitalism/socialism, so i told them where to find one. As, it seems to me anyhow, zeitgeist is merely a theory with little or no practical evidence supporting it, a lot of questions are going to have to remain unanswered. AFAIK they are building a prototype city where they will try and live as they have outlined. If they achieve that goal, then perhaps more information on the social hierarchies that may emerge under their systems will come to light. Until then, and even beyond then, it is your choice whether you think their ideas are good or bad. Personally I like them, because they're a damn sight better than where were at now with capitalism, and because they appeal to my own personal taste for a simpler life not befuddled with endless unnecessary jobs..

fair enough