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    #452
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    DerTierarzt wrote: »
    Is it possible to chase up a conversion and catch it on the other side of the posts and score a try?
    No. Ball is dead. It is either a successful kick, blocked kick or missed kick.

    I've only ever seen a blocked conversion once in my lifetime. Mehrtens in the Bledisloe Cup at SFS in 1998 (pretty sure it was '98). The game where Matty Burke popped a shoulder scoring in the corner.
    The kick was blocked by 'Bernie' Larkham. Everyone in the stands was stunned. Took a few seconds to actually take it in that it was a block.


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    #453
    DerTierarzt
    Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭DerTierarzt


    What if you were clean through, heading for the posts. On the run you execute a nice high lobbed drop kick that bisects the posts, but you catch it on the other side before it hits the ground, ground the ball for a try, run back around to front of the posts and do a quick drop goal conversion.

    Would you get 10 points for your team?


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    #454
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    DerTierarzt wrote: »
    What if you were clean through, heading for the posts. On the run you execute a nice high lobbed drop kick that bisects the posts, but you catch it on the other side before it hits the ground, ground the ball for a try, run back around to front of the posts and do a quick drop goal conversion.

    Would you get 10 points for your team?
    no only the 3 points for the drop goal as the other team would have to restart the game with a drop off from halfway


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    #455
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    DerTierarzt wrote: »
    What if you were clean through, heading for the posts. On the run you execute a nice high lobbed drop kick that bisects the posts, but you catch it on the other side before it hits the ground, ground the ball for a try, run back around to front of the posts and do a quick drop goal conversion.

    Would you get 10 points for your team?
    No.


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    #456
    DerTierarzt
    Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭DerTierarzt


    Okay, last one. Remember Stephen Jones missing that long range penalty, thus handing Ireland the Grand Slam? What was stopping Paulie giving Donners a leg up onto the posts, and him slapping it away should it have been close enough and potentially going over?


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    #457
    GerM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭GerM


    JustinDee wrote: »
    I've only ever seen a blocked conversion once in my lifetime. Mehrtens in the Bledisloe Cup at SFS in 1998 (pretty sure it was '98). The game where Matty Burke popped a shoulder scoring in the corner.
    The kick was blocked by 'Bernie' Larkham. Everyone in the stands was stunned. Took a few seconds to actually take it in that it was a block.

    Jonny Sexton had one charged down back in 2006 when playing in the Churchill Cup against the USA. Sexton's kicks used have a very low trajectory and I think it was Paul Emerick got a hand on it. Always a bizarre sight.


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    #458
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    DerTierarzt wrote: »
    Okay, last one. Remember Stephen Jones missing that long range penalty, thus handing Ireland the Grand Slam? What was stopping Paulie giving Donners a leg up onto the posts, and him slapping it away should it have been close enough and potentially going over?

    Law 9.B.3 (a)


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    #459
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Here's the block by Larkham I mentioned:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fFJsHGuQ54


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    #460
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Enjoyed that. Not something you see every day. :D


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    #461
    RuggieBear
    Registered Users Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    conversion thread merged into Laws Thread


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    #462
    karlitob
    Registered Users Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭karlitob


    DerTierarzt wrote: »
    What if you were clean through, heading for the posts. On the run you execute a nice high lobbed drop kick that bisects the posts, but you catch it on the other side before it hits the ground, ground the ball for a try, run back around to front of the posts and do a quick drop goal conversion.

    Would you get 10 points for your team?

    What a mental question.

    Why would you drop a goal and then run to catch it?

    If you could drop a goal, catch it and ground, why would you run quickly back around to do a quick conversion...why not take your time. Sure, feck it, since your're in the in-goal why dont you drop it from behind the goal....and no, you can't, before you ask.


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    #463
    karlitob
    Registered Users Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭karlitob


    GerM wrote: »
    Jonny Sexton had one charged down back in 2006 when playing in the Churchill Cup against the USA. Sexton's kicks used have a very low trajectory and I think it was Paul Emerick got a hand on it. Always a bizarre sight.

    Young Munster v Garryowen under-12 1998. I was like a cookie monster!


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    #464
    karlitob
    Registered Users Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭karlitob


    Surley wrote: »
    That seems a bit ridiculous that TMO can't check for forward passes and the like when a try is scored.

    Why is it ridiculous? Sure you could get rid of the referee then and adjudicate from the TMO. What if the knock on that caused the scrum that led to the try was not a knock on?


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    #465
    karlitob
    Registered Users Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭karlitob


    Surley wrote: »
    Yeah that's a good point. But a lot happened between that pass and Nacewa crossing the line. I think anything 5-10 meters out from the try line would be acceptable for the TMO to look at

    So 10m is ok. Phew, now the ref's know not to ask the TMO on any incident outside of 11m...such as the quick lineout that never was for Wales V IReland in the 6 NAtions


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    #466
    karlitob
    Registered Users Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭karlitob


    DerTierarzt wrote: »
    Was just wondering under the rules of rugby, if one charges down a conversion attempt (like seen below) but say caught the ball and ran the pitch unchallenged, would he/she be entitled to score a try?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H56q6xXlySY

    I reckon if they they ran the whole pitch then yes, they should be entitled. But they're not. But it would be hilarious


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    #467
    Taco Corp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭Taco Corp


    karlitob wrote: »
    So 10m is ok. Phew, now the ref's know not to ask the TMO on any incident outside of 11m...such as the quick lineout that never was for Wales V IReland in the 6 NAtions

    I'll admit I didn't think that through all the way but there's no need to get worked up about it. Relax


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    #468
    karlitob
    Registered Users Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭karlitob


    Surley wrote: »
    I'll admit I didn't think that through all the way but there's no need to get worked up about it. Relax

    Are you okay? Did I hurt your feelings?


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    #469
    DerTierarzt
    Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭DerTierarzt


    Can one do a drop kick from behind the posts?


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    #470
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 24,223 ✭✭✭✭phog


    DerTierarzt wrote: »
    Can one do a drop kick from behind the posts?

    Why would anyone want to do a drop kick from behind the posts, surely you'd touch it down for a try.:confused:


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    #471
    karlitob
    Registered Users Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭karlitob


    DerTierarzt wrote: »
    Can one do a drop kick from behind the posts?

    I've already answered your post. Post 462. Read the forum especially replies to your post before you post.

    And besides, thats a stupid question as phog pointed out.


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    #472
    almighty1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    May already have been asked but what about this.

    Im running along with the ball and foresee that Im gonna get smashed by a couple of the oppostion players. I jump into the air just before they make contact and they take me out in the air.

    Do I get a penalty?


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    #473
    Downtime
    Registered Users Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭Downtime


    almighty1 wrote: »
    May already have been asked but what about this.

    Im running along with the ball and foresee that Im gonna get smashed by a couple of the oppostion players. I jump into the air just before they make contact and they take me out in the air.

    Do I get a penalty?

    In theory yes. Sure though the 'smash' will be worse if you are in the air?


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    #474
    castie
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭castie


    Downtime wrote: »
    In theory yes. Sure though the 'smash' will be worse if you are in the air?

    Your not allowed jump into a tackle as far as I remember and its a penalty against you.


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    #475
    almighty1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    castie wrote: »
    Your not allowed jump into a tackle as far as I remember and its a penalty against you.

    Ok if I stop dead in my tracks and just hop on the spot.

    Its an interesting topic though because if somebody is diving for the line and is tackled. Then the tackler took him out in the air + the potential try-scorer wasnt jumping into a tackle.


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    #476
    Risteard
    Registered Users Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭Risteard


    Not allowed jump a tackle, I'm sure that covers whether you're running or standing still.

    What amazes me is that no one pings Shane Williams for it as he does it all the time.


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    #477
    Downtime
    Registered Users Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭Downtime


    castie wrote: »
    Your not allowed jump into a tackle as far as I remember and its a penalty against you.

    There is no specific law in relation to jumping a tackle - it is not illgeal. However I would say it comes under law 10.4 (k) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure. Penalty: Penalty Kick


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    #478
    castie
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭castie


    Downtime wrote: »
    There is no specific law in relation to jumping a tackle - it is not illgeal. However I would say it comes under law 10.4 (k) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure. Penalty: Penalty Kick

    http://www.rugbyrefs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6934

    Seems your correct alright but that its considered dangerous play.


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    #479
    bazzajf
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭bazzajf


    I have a question relating to the laws of the game.

    If a player takes a drop at goal and his drop goal attempt bounces 5 yards short of the goalposts and then goes over the crossbar, what happens?


    My second comment is an observation, I am uncomfortable with the instances when referees allow ball-carrying players to get up and continue running after being brought down by exclaiming "NOT HELD", this is in direct conflict with the law directing tacklers to release the tackled player straight away. A grey area which the IRB needs to address.


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    #480
    castie
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭castie


    bazzajf wrote: »
    I have a question relating to the laws of the game.

    If a player takes a drop at goal and his drop goal attempt bounces 5 yards short of the goalpots and then goes over the crossbar, what happens?

    It must go over on the full.


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    #481
    Downtime
    Registered Users Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭Downtime


    bazzajf wrote: »
    My second comment is an observation, I am uncomfortable with the instances when referees allow ball-carrying players to get up and continue running after being brought down by exclaiming "NOT HELD", this is in direct conflict with the law directing tacklers to release the tackled player straight away. A grey area which the IRB needs to address.

    I don't believe that that is in direct conflict. It is two different laws. I do however agree with what you are saying. Whether or not there is a tackler, if a player is held and brought to ground he must play or release the ball. He cannot get back up. It is not refereed well.


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