BBC Formula 1 coverage

amacachi

Tau wrote: »

What's wrong with that? They were sheltering in the Brawn hospitality area and god knows they were running out of chat after an hour of red flag.

What's wrong with it is that it may be the start of a pattern, a pattern resembling what's happened with the Hamilton clan over the last couple of years.

leeroybrown

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Is it on tv?

The race coverage was live from 9am this morning. Repeats are only on their interactive service. Last week was different as the race was on in the very early morning so there were edited repeats on BBC1.

Slutmonkey57b

amacachi wrote: »

What's wrong with it is that it may be the start of a pattern, a pattern resembling what's happened with the Hamilton clan over the last couple of years.

At least there was a bit of back and forth between the dad and Couthard/Jordan, rather than a bland "you must be so proud" ad nauseum.

I think there's a lot of potential, and it's improved since last week. They're making an effort to get across what the whole F1 weekend is like, rather than just the race.

Legard has to be muzzled a bit and still needs to learn not to talk over Brundle.
Jordan, Coulthard, and Humphreys are finding their feet and injecting some humour. With 1 hour pre-race, and 1 hour post-race, there's a lot of time to fill. They need to use Lee McKenzie and Ted more, to take some of the waffling pressure off Jordan and Coulthard, who can only tell us so much.


The only problem with it all is that it makes you miss Walker. He really is irreplaceable.

amacachi

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

At least there was a bit of back and forth between the dad and Couthard/Jordan, rather than a bland "you must be so proud" ad nauseum.

I think there's a lot of potential, and it's improved since last week. They're making an effort to get across what the whole F1 weekend is like, rather than just the race.

Legard has to be muzzled a bit and still needs to learn not to talk over Brundle.
Jordan, Coulthard, and Humphreys are finding their feet and injecting some humour. With 1 hour pre-race, and 1 hour post-race, there's a lot of time to fill. They need to use Lee McKenzie and Ted more, to take some of the waffling pressure off Jordan and Coulthard, who can only tell us so much.


The only problem with it all is that it makes you miss Walker. He really is irreplaceable.

I agree with pretty much all of that.

A few more reports from the pits would be nice. Also before and after the race if Ted and Lee did two interviews each it would break up the waffling a lot more.
Legard is still finding his feet, it's a big enough change from radio to TV. I have decent hopes though.

I think we should have a rule that ya can't mention Murray, I miss him so!

leeroybrown

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

Legard has to be muzzled a bit and still needs to learn not to talk over Brundle.

Legard's background as a radio commentator is working against him. He'll need to get used to the fact that we're viewers not listeners and tone down his style. The other thing that Legard and Brundle have working against them is that unlike on ITV they don't have three ad breaks an hour to regroup and work on minor issues. I'll take zero ad breaks and a slightly longer settling in period...

RayM

amacachi wrote: »

What's wrong with it is that it may be the start of a pattern, a pattern resembling what's happened with the Hamilton clan over the last couple of years.

I remember ITV used to interview him quite a bit, back in 2000, when Button was 'the next big thing'. I think he's a bit more low-key than Anthony Hamilton. Plus, he seems like a bit of a character (unlike Hamilton, who never veers off script), and does have a bit of motorsport pedigree himself.


With regard to RTE's coverage of F1, I always liked Peter Collins (and David Kennedy). They had no budget, no non-Irish pitlane contacts, no camera crew, and it often sounded like they were commentating over a poor quality phone line. But for all their faults - over-the-top coverage of Jordan and Irvine and mispronunciations of Peugeot, Monaco, Barrichello, Fisichella and Renault, they were often pretty astute at second-guessing tactics and copping onto what was happening during a race, long before ITV/BBC.

Woden

Less Ted please. I often cringe when I hear him and his wrap up remarks from the pitlane. Someone tell him he's not on ITV anymore. I wish he had not been brought over

amacachi

Woden wrote: »

Less Ted please. I often cringe when I hear him and his wrap up remarks from the pitlane. Someone tell him he's not on ITV anymore. I wish he had not been brought over

I don't mind Ted too much and the BBC seem to have included him in the memo telling everyone to get their tongues out of Hamilton.

EvilMonkey

Woden wrote: »

Less Ted please. I often cringe when I hear him and his wrap up remarks from the pitlane. Someone tell him he's not on ITV anymore. I wish he had not been brought over

I wish he would just report on what he sees and stop giving us his opinion on things.

GiftGrub100

Really enjoying the BBC coverage, no ad's and so far very good coverage. Their use of the red button is brilliant, no need to remember to tape qualifying before going to work and lots of extra shows on the red button in the build up to the race.

Best moment from todays race for me : Loved the shot from the pits of Kimi getting himself some Ice cream and Cola while in T shirt and shorts while all the other drivers were outside in the thunderstorm looking quite damp. Then the Ferrari guy saying he had not retired and might be rejoining the race if it restarted. !

And WTF were Mclaren and Hamilton up to last week, talk about shooting youself in the foot. I only hope the FIA leave it at that and we don't have more court action with suspensions and fines. The lifetime humiliation should be punishment enough and lets get back to the racing.

riemann

GiftGrub100 wrote: »

Loved the shot from the pits of Kimi getting himself some Ice cream and Cola while in T shirt and shorts while all the other drivers were outside in the thunderstorm looking quite damp. Then the Ferrari guy saying he had not retired and might be rejoining the race if it restarted.

that was fantastic, thats why they call him the iceman!

vectra

GiftGrub100 wrote: »

Best moment from todays race for me : Loved the shot from the pits of Kimi getting himself some Ice cream and Cola while in T shirt and shorts while all the other drivers were outside in the thunderstorm looking quite damp. Then the Ferrari guy saying he had not retired and might be rejoining the race if it restarted. !

Must be the coolest cookie on the grid

Tau

If the race was going to restart, they'd have had to give 10 minutes warning, more than enough time for him to get his driving gear back on. Suppose he just figured that the chance of this happening was low enough...

Still, pretty cool alright.

pburns

I can now record the show on Sky+ and watch at a time that suits me, re-watch key moments etc. Also the fact that Friday practice is now covered is fantastic.

Humpheries is better than expected, Legard a bit of a disappointment.

Someone mentioned missing Murray - WHY???? I've never heard him say anything insightful, the occasional comments he gives are sooo predictable. Nice old geezer but way overrated.

John Button is a bit of a character (unlike Hammy Snr) and Jenson himself has developed into a pretty sound geezer. He's modest too, admitting in the press conference the other day that dealing with oversteer was not his forte and something he found difficult. Imagine the current WDC admitting to a weakness.

rua1972

pburns wrote: »

John Button is a bit of a character (unlike Hammy Snr) and Jenson himself has developed into a pretty sound geezer. He's modest too, admitting in the press conference the other day that dealing with oversteer was not his forte and something he found difficult. Imagine the current WDC admitting to a weakness.

Jenson even took time to thank his race engineer for all the hard work, even in the Honda outfit. Sounded a lot better than blaiming a team mate. For a moment i thought that was the reason Button said it, but that's not the guy his is.

shamwari

pburns wrote: »

John Button is a bit of a character (unlike Hammy Snr) and Jenson himself has developed into a pretty sound geezer. He's modest too, admitting in the press conference the other day that dealing with oversteer was not his forte and something he found difficult. Imagine the current WDC admitting to a weakness.

+1. The Buttons appear very down to Earth and not the polished mediatypes like some others...

Slutmonkey57b

pburns wrote: »

Someone mentioned missing Murray - WHY???? I've never heard him say anything insightful, the occasional comments he gives are sooo predictable. Nice old geezer but way overrated.

Someone fundamentally misunderstands what made Murray Walker the greatest commentator in the history of any sport.

Oblomov

Chatty Talker, Murray Walker , became renown for the gaffes and idiosyncratic behaviour not for the quality of the commentary.


He's obviously gone in for a wheel change. I say obviously because I can't see it"

"With half the race gone, there is half the race still to go"

"Do my eyes deceive me, or is Senna's Lotus sounding rough ?"

"Anything happens in Grand Prix racing and it usually does"

"Alboreto has dropped back up to fifth place"

"As you look at the first four, the significant thing is that Alboreto is 5th"

"I can't imagine what kind of problem Senna has. I imagine it must be some sort of grip problem"

"He is shedding buckets of adrenalin in that car"

"It's raining and the track is wet"

enzo7

hi everyone

im new on here just reading through yer post hav 2 say enjoying the bbc coverage a million times better dan itv james allen use drive me insane!!!! he turned me against hamiliton, actually liking button this yr his coming across really well in interviews. even as someone else called him eddie "i discoverd schuey "jordan isnt annoying me as much as he did when jordan gp were around . does anyone rem taki inoue he will always be a legend in our house for all the wrong reasons.

vectra

Oblomov wrote: »

"It's raining and the track is wet"

ROFL

I must admit
I do miss some of Murrays Crazy statements alright

And a few more from Murray

"Jenson Button is in the top ten, in eleventh position."

"And this is the third place car about to lap the second place car."

"The lead is now 6.9 seconds. In fact, it's just under 7 seconds."

"And the first five places are filled by five different cars."

# "And the first three cars are all Escorts, which isn't surprising as this is an all Escort race."

Slutmonkey57b

One problem that the BBC has is with their website - The links on the left hand side of the page need to be expanded and improved so you can go back to earlier stories - there's no headline section for the individual blogs, or video/Audio, or special features. Effectively, all you've got is the front page, and once an item goes off that front page, it's lost.

IM0

Coverage and interviews and banter between Eddie and DC, great, and Brundle? Dream team really...but then along comes the new knob to spoil it all...:(
where do I start...his amateurism and canned anxiety and excitement...you can see he comes from radio...someone needs to tell him we CAN see whats happening! after Quali I Switched over to it on Setanta (much better) he made me cringe so much...maybe Ill go back mid-season? - NOT! :P. Then theres his accent, just doesnt do it for me really, sounds like he should be rodgering Victoria out on the Abbey...like Leslie Philips or something, too swarve. Never thought Id say it...bring back JAMES! (but dont cause then he wont do his blog!)

Setanta is for the initiated and BBC/UTV for the uninnitiated (much more driver stats rather than actual race tactical commentary which is what I want to hear about) when they ban refuelling then Ill switch...maybe?

Fire the Noob (pronounced knob too) but who else is there? just watch it on Setanta....actually no dont, cause then there will be lots more commercials
so yeah stick with the Beeb its great..really :pac:

smooch71

me@ucd wrote: »

Coverage and interviews and banter between Eddie and DC, great, and Brundle? Dream team really...but then along comes the new knob to spoil it all...:(
where do I start...his amateurism and canned anxiety and excitement...you can see he comes from radio...someone needs to tell him we CAN see whats happening! after Quali I Switched over to it on Setanta (much better) he made me cringe so much...maybe Ill go back mid-season? - NOT! :P. Then theres his accent, just doesnt do it for me really, sounds like he should be rodgering Victoria out on the Abbey...like Leslie Philips or something, too swarve. Never thought Id say it...bring back JAMES! (but dont cause then he wont do his blog!)

Setanta is for the initiated and BBC/UTV for the uninnitiated (much more driver stats rather than actual race tactical commentary which is what I want to hear about) when they ban refuelling then Ill switch...maybe?

Fire the Noob (pronounced knob too) but who else is there? just watch it on Setanta....actually no dont, cause then there will be lots more commercials
so yeah stick with the Beeb its great..really :pac:

Sorry, but you're talking sh1te

Bring back James? Spare me...

Carroller16

Yeah I actually think the noob is good

muckwarrior

Haven't really formed an opinion on him yet. He doesn't strike me as being either particularly bad or good.

IM0

smooch71 wrote: »

Sorry, but you're talking sh1te

Bring back James? Spare me...

Believe me, I use to SLATE/HATE? James too, but since reading his blog (which is class) Ive come round 180 on my opinion of him. I realised that it wasnt james who was commontating, it was what ITV wanted him to sound like..ie sh1te as you say, yes he was muck on ITV...but because he was commontating for an uninformed audience, you do realise if they only put on F1 for the real followers like us, there would be no Tv coverage dont you?

James is super informed and now without ties to ITV he has 'artistic' licence to show what he knows, and not hide it for to make the racing more interesting (as he did on ITV). Which would you rather a knob (beeb now) or an informed knob

smooch71

me@ucd wrote: »

Believe me, I use to SLATE/HATE? James too, but since reading his blog (which is class) Ive come round 180 on my opinion of him. I realised that it wasnt james who was commontating, it was what ITV wanted him to sound like..ie sh1te as you say, yes he was muck on ITV...but because he was commontating for an uninformed audience, you do realise if they only put on F1 for the real followers like us, there would be no Tv coverage dont you?

James is super informed and now without ties to ITV he has 'artistic' licence to show what he knows, and not hide it for to make the racing more interesting (as he did on ITV). Which would you rather a knob (beeb now) or an informed knob

I don't dispute Allen's knowledge of the sport. What I found sickening was his blatant ar$e licking of the Hamiltons. As a commentator he was the most biased, unprofessonial person I've ever heard. He was pathetic. I don't accept "ITV made him do it", at least Brundle remained impartial and still is.

I really don't know what you're getting at when you say Allen hid his knowledge to make the racing more interesting, it doesn't make sense.How does hero worship of Hamilton make the race more interesting? If Allen had taken the time to mention the other 19 drivers on the grid, then that might have made it more appealing.

To be honest I can tolerate Legard because I think Brundle is second to none, and to answer your question, yes, I would rather listen to the "knob" as you call him then suffer that prat James Allen.

Slutmonkey57b

Legard was deeply, deeply irritating this week.

If he doesn't stop talking over Brundle I don't know what we're going to do. He's clearly too used to being the "lead" commentator, and he does know his stuff, but the producer needs to reign him in and tell him to share the mike.

lovinit

Have to agree about legard, I prefer to hear what Brundle has to say anyway

vectra

LIGHTNING wrote: »

it was almost worth muting the sound and making car noises youself.

I second that

He is one pain in the Ar$e

enzo7

i third that:D, i remember one time he commenting on how it was strange ralf schumacher called his son david considering he was german, didnt dawn on him that calling ur english son enzo was stranger . i know my username is enzo but i wouldnt actually call one of my kids it.

did anyone else find dc on the grid walk annoying.

smooch71

enzo7 wrote: »

did anyone else find dc on the grid walk annoying.

YES!

He was brutal. I hope BBC aren't trying to shake things up to be different. Brundles grid walk is always a highlight, they should leave well enough alone.

ro_chez

And you cant forget his reaction to Buttons first win in Hungary a few years back, I'm in work so I cant find a utube link for it, but christ!

EDIT: Here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wif3Kr0y5js&feature=related

smooch71

Does anyone else get the impression that David Coulthard can't stand Eddie Jordan?

rua1972

yes, Eddie said something about :that's why you (DC) never drove for me. DC's reply :look what it would have brought me

vectra

smooch71 wrote: »

Does anyone else get the impression that David Coulthard can't stand Eddie Jordan?

Does anyone get the impression Coulthard doesnt like anyone

cherryghost

smooch71 wrote: »

Does anyone else get the impression that David Coulthard can't stand Eddie Jordan?

Does anyone get the impression that Eddie Jordan is a bit more aggressive in his comments, kinda reminds me of the soccer panel on RTE :P far better entertainment

EvilMonkey

cherryghost wrote: »

Does anyone get the impression that Eddie Jordan is a bit more aggressive in his comments, kinda reminds me of the soccer panel on RTE :P far better entertainment

Yeah Eddie is not afraid of pissing anyone off, still annoying sometimes though.

vectra

EvilMonkey wrote: »

Yeah Eddie is not afraid of pissing anyone off, still annoying sometimes though.

Yeah
and being stupid like saying Sutil was on a hot lap and didnt need to get out of Webbers way :rolleyes:

lovinit

I think Eddie Jordan is brilliant:), never liked Coulthard anyway and as for the soccer panel as least they say what should be said unlike the BBC, goin completely off topic here but apres match do a brilliant impersonation of all the soccer panels on BBC, ITV and RTE its called channel hopping and really makes you think about how good the panel is.

smooch71

vectra wrote: »

Yeah
and being stupid like saying Sutil was on a hot lap and didnt need to get out of Webbers way :rolleyes:

Coulthard nearly had him by the throat after that one!

dazman2250

As a commentator eddie jordan is useless, he's a total waffler,he reminds me of bono or somebody constantly trying to sound enciteful and knowlegable but in reality he really doesnt know jack! Mike Gascoigne on the other hand was exceptionally clued in to the goings on in the race the other week however.

cherryghost

enzo7

eddie jordan is a twat he always was!!! was never a fan of coulthard but ive a new found respect for the guy for putting up with e.j. but it would still be great if the bbc got rid of both of them and just had gascoyne.

Biro

BBC coverage is absolutely brilliant, with one major flaw. Eddie Jordan needs to go. His interviews are embarrasingly uncomfortable to watch, and he comes out with off the wall statements that Coulthard has to correct him on. Any time Coulthard has said "I don't agree with Eddie on that..." it turned out that Eddie was indeed wrong.

EvilMonkey

enzo7 wrote: »

eddie jordan is a twat he always was!!! was never a fan of coulthard but ive a new found respect for the guy for putting up with e.j. but it would still be great if the bbc got rid of both of them and just had gascoyne.

Never going to happen Gascoyne is looking to get a job at Ferrari or some other team.

enzo7

oh i know we will prob be stuck with the 2 guys, and gascoyne has no desire for a fulltime tv job. but i can dream shur!

Slutmonkey57b

The problem with having a guy like Gascoyne on the show is that it provides great insight but also reminds you that F1 is 90% a technical exercise and that takes a lot of the fun out of it, not least for those who like to pretend drivers are important.

I like the Jordan/Coulthard/Humphrey team, some random off the wall statements from Jordan are amusing, and the "chemistry" between him and DC is a good example of how F1 really is - bickering, contradictions, arm-flailing wild exaggeration, concealed disdain, the whole lot.

Oblomov

As SM57B said:
but also reminds you that F1 is 90% a technical exercise

But, that's what a lot of people don't even realise.

Joneser

I actually like having EJ there, kinda reminds me of all the mistakes Murray Walker used to make :P

btw, Ive decided to make and F1 blog aswell, only reviews of the previous races there atm but going to expand on it tomorow, please check it out and let me know what you think

http://joneser-f1now.blogspot.com/