New 5k tax for job security on better paid public servants

kippy

jimmmy wrote: »

At the moment - and for many many years - people can pay zero a year and sit doing nothing in the safe knowledge that they can't be sacked for it

At least if 150,000 people are paying an average of 5 k each its raising a lot for the govt / the govt is saving almost 1 billion out of the 25 billion its borrowing this year, to pay things like the public service.




ok, if you think highly paid people will not pay the tax if given the choice - then make it compulsory.

Its not an ideal tax and is necessary partly because top Public sector pay in this country was allowed get out of line to begin with.

Theres a lot of things in this country that were allowed to get out of line. The same could be said of private sector pay, its whats made us uncompetitive and whats aggravating the current issues.
We've a lot of serious problems in the country and a lot of different people who get blamed for it. The majority of us have stood idly by and voted in a government intend on fanning the fire of the housing market, taking in one of taxes and increasing the size and pay of the public sector to keep the unions happy.
All sectors have benefited from lower income taxes, higher social payments (dole, OAP, childcare, benchmarking, higher minimum wage).
Its only now we realise that all these things have come at a cost and we need to reel them back in. There should have been more done to reduce running costs and general cost of running the ps in the good times.
This job security tax is not the way to being about stable and long lasting improvements in the sector.

jdivision

sdonn_1 wrote: »

Why not tax EVERYONE who earns more than the average industrial wage? Pubic sector workers are already paying for their job security through the pension levy.

Hahaha, comic timing at its best

jdivision

The Orb wrote: »

I will mention the OECD who have stated that the Irish public service is understaffed and under resourced.

Have a look at the figures when the military are stripped out, particularly in countries with compulsory conscription.

bobbbb

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he didnt exist.

That is the same as us in the private sector pretending we are worse off than the public sector.

Some of us might be worse off right now maybe, but 8 out of 10 years life is a hell of a lot better in the private sector.

A bit of reality is required here. The private sector have milked the celtic tit and now that its dry we have to get someone else off it so we can keep drinking. I can stand up and admit it.

gyppo

jimmmy wrote: »

No I or most other people are not big into everyone earning the exact same and being exactly equal, or communist policies ! Shure the poor auld public servants, those who work 35 hour weeks with plenty of tea + coffee breaks, those with greater sick days and holidays, those with guaranteed job security, those with a guaranteed fat pension to look forward to ( a Garda retiring early - like many do - has a pension worth 1 million if he was to buy it privately )....heaven forbid should those poor people be paid less than those who actually take the risks, who may borrow or sink their own money in to providing a job for themselves, some of whom have little or no social welfare entitlements if things do not work out etc.

I started reading this thread, and fifteen minutes into it had a brilliant idea!!!

Why not introduce a Complete Bull**** Tax (CBT). Apply a charge of 10c per word of drivel within this forum, andd we'll be out of trouble in no time. For instance, your last post would raise about €15 - Not too bad, is it?

Im getting sick of the generalisations spouted about the public sector within this site by sheep who have been led by an orchestrated media campaign courtesy of the Sunday Independant et al.

Yes, there is need for rationalisation within the public sector.
Yes, there is dead wood in the public sector.

Heres a few facts:
1: there are people on contracts working within the public sector who are losing their jobs on a daily basis. Not everyone in the public sector has a job for life.
2: Not everyone in the public sector is a lazy w@nker, as mentioned earlier. Most (not all) of the people I work with carry out their duties in a diligant professional manner, are highly skilled, and highly educated. I take the sweeping generalisations mentioned on this thread as offensive and ignorant.

jimmmy

bobbbb wrote: »

8 out of 10 years life is a hell of a lot better in the private sector.

Incorrect. Check the statistics. Pay, security, pensions , etc are overall much better in the public sector. The average industrial wage is much less than the average public sector wage.

jimmmy

kippy wrote: »

Initially it was a 5k flat fee for incomes of 49000 or above. After people pointed out the obvious folly of this suggestion you changed your mind, fair enough.

Incorrect. I did not say " flat" fee. Is is only logical that someone on say 200k should pay more J.S.T. than someone on 51k. If it was a flat fee then the person on 51k gross would be worse off than someone on 48k gross.

As I said before, at least if 150,000 people are paying an average of 5 k each J.S.T. ( job security tax ) its raising a lot for the govt / the govt is saving almost 1 billion out of the 25 billion its borrowing this year, to pay things like the public service.

oscarBravo

Let's face it: this ain't gonna happen, and continuing to discuss the idea will generate more heat than light.