Time for an All-Ireland team?

shamblertine

One country, one people, together, united. Would be good to nick Johhny Evans, David Healey and a couple of the other lads. And who knows, maybe even Stephen Ireland will decide to return if the 2 teams merged. Lets face it, neither the North or Republic have a hope of qualifying for the world cup, having a united team would give us a fighting chance. The only worry would be the threat of trouble with the section of the Northern Ireland crowd who sing anti-catholic songs.

sligobhoy67

shamblertine wrote: »

One country, one people, together, united. Would be good to nick Johhny Evans, David Healey and a couple of the other lads. And who knows, maybe even Stephen Ireland will decide to return if the 2 teams merged. Lets face it, neither the North or Republic have a hope of qualifying for the world cup, having a united team would give us a fighthing chance. The only worry would be the threat of trouble with the section of the Northern Ireland crowd who sing anti-catholic songs.

only Evans would have a chance of making the team

Helix

couldnt happen at the minute, society would see to that

DSB

shamblertine wrote: »

One country, one people, together, united. Would be good to nick Johhny Evans, David Healey and a couple of the other lads. And who knows, maybe even Stephen Ireland will decide to return if the 2 teams merged. Lets face it, neither the North or Republic have a hope of qualifying for the world cup, having a united team would give us a fighting chance. The only worry would be the threat of trouble with the section of the Northern Ireland crowd who sing anti-catholic songs.

Eh Ireland have an excellent chance of making the World Cup.

shamblertine

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

only Evans would have a chance of making the team

Healey would easily make it too, look what he does in such a rubbish team! Kevin Doyle could drop deeper and act as a playmaker, give us a bit of creativity around the centre of midfield which we are sorely lacking.

redout

The Norths players are all muck bar one or two.

sligobhoy67

shamblertine wrote: »

Healey would easily make it too, look what he does in such a rubbish team! Kevin Doyle could drop deeper and act as a playmaker, give us a bit of creativity around the centre of midfield which we are sorely lacking.

Healy is terrible - I would rather play one up front than include him!

Mgoraf

Doyle wouldn't work as a playmaker at all...

Agree that only Evans would make the 11 I think.

K4t

shamblertine wrote: »

The only worry would be the threat of trouble with the section of the Northern Ireland crowd who sing anti-catholic songs.

Let them try it at Croker tbh. :rolleyes:

If the rugby team can do it then the soccer team should be able to do it aswell.

DSB

Steven Davis would be a definite pick ahead of Whelan and Andrews to be fair.

m@cc@

K4t wrote: »

Let them try it at Croker tbh. :rolleyes:

If the rugby team can do it then the soccer team should be able to do it aswell.

Rugby fans are a different, dare I say, more cultured breed.

shamblertine

redout wrote: »

The Norths players are all muck bar one or two.

and the republic players are all superstars, Hunt/Kilbane/Whelan/Andrews/McShane/McGeady- they just ooze quality

Kinetic^

Evans into centre, O'Shea onto the right, McShane onto the bench.

sligobhoy67

shamblertine wrote: »

and the republic players are all superstars, Hunt/Kilbane/Whelan/Andrews/McShane/McGeady- they just ooze quality

McGeady!!!!

shamblertine

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

McGeady!!!!

what has he ever done? he is useless, no end product at all

K4t

m@cc@ wrote: »

Rugby fans are a different, dare I say, more cultured breed.

I didn't want to be the one who said it :pac:

shamblertine

shamblertine wrote: »

Lets face it, neither the North or Republic have a hope of qualifying for the world cup

You should look at the league tables OP

shamblertine

I can't believe so many are saying Healey wouldn't make the team, just looked up wikipedia, his international record is 33 goals in 62 games, an average of .53 goals a game, for a team like Northern Ireland thats remarkable, in fact for any international team it would be remarkable.

Mr Alan

redout wrote: »

The Norths players are all muck bar one or two.

so are the republic though

bohsman

Would have to see if an All Ireland league would work first and then convince the FAI and IFA to merge greatly reducing their junkets.

shamblertine

rarnes1 wrote: »

You should look at the league tables OP

maybe I was exagerating a bit by saying they have no hope, but I just don't tihnk either will qualify

noodler

Doyle ****es all over Healy.

shamblertine

noodler wrote: »

Doyle ****es all over Healy.

He really doesn't, a forward/strikers main role is to score goals or make goals, Doyle does neither as much as Healey to justify starting ahead of him. In saying that Doyle is still one of Irelands only good players and so we would still need to include him in the starting 11.

CiaranC

Arent national teams are based on national leagues? We have two leagues, hence two national teams.

Healy cant even get in the Sunderland team regularly

Samurai

Just need to convince declan kidney to manage them

Helix

CiaranC wrote: »

Arent national teams are based on national leagues? We have two leagues, hence two national teams.

unless they merge the leagues

m@cc@

rarnes1 wrote: »

Healy cant even get in the Sunderland team regularly

Doyle doesn't even play in the Premiership.

noodler

shamblertine wrote: »

He really doesn't, a forward/strikers main role is to score goals or make goals, Doyle does neither as much as Healey to justify starting ahead of him. In saying that Doyle is still one of Irelands only good players and so we would still need to include him in the starting 11.

I am not even listening to you anymore after this, you obviously haven't seen a game of football involving Kevin Doyle in your life.

I will leave you with this though, Doyle has 18 goals this season for his club, how many GAMES has Healy played for his? Nevermind goals.

shamblertine

noodler wrote: »

I am not even listening to you anymore after this, you obviously haven't seen a game of football involving Kevin Doyle in your life.

I will leave you with this though, Doyle has 18 goals this season for his club, how many GAMES has Healy played for his? Nevermind goals.

and remind me about Doyles international record?

noodler

Have you watched him play? Seriously? His goalscoring record for Ireland is hardly terrible considering he shares the spoils with Keane (Honestly can't find figures by the way)

I thought players played far more club games in a year? Is that not a good barometer for their international prospects?

Doyle's contribution to the Irish football team goes far, far beyond goals scored.
If you would play Healy instead of Doyle then you have simply got caught up in the Healy hype.

Healy has played 6 times for Sunderland this season and scored one goal.

sligobhoy67

CiaranC wrote: »

Arent national teams are based on national leagues? We have two leagues, hence two national teams.

there was no national league of Wales until recently and they always had a national team

m@cc@

noodler wrote: »

Have you watched him play? Seriously? His goalscoring record for Ireland is hardly terrible considering he shares the spoils with Keane (Honestly can't find figures by the way)

I thought players played far more club games in a year? Is that not a good barometer for their international prospects?

Doyle's contribution to the Irish football team goes far, far beyond goals scored.
If you would play Healy instead of Doyle then you have simply got caught up in the Healy hype.

Healy has played 6 times for Sunderland this season and scored one goal.

Kevin Doyle - Played 26, Scored 6

Kyle Lafferty - Played 20, Scored 6

bohsman

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

there was no national league of Wales until recently and they always had a national team

The league was formed cos they feared the national team would be disbanded if they didnt get one.

pablomakaveli

Political reasons aside i would'nt like to see it purely because most of the players that would make the team would be from the republic anyway.

We'd also probably have to endure Ireland's Call at matches as well:(. That's reason enough not to have a united ireland team.

noodler

m@cc@ wrote: »

Kevin Doyle - Played 26, Scored 6

Kyle Lafferty - Played 20, Scored 6

Impressive by Kyle Lafferty.

Now do you honestly think, based on his excellent performances for Ireland over the last couple of years, that Kevin Doyle should be dropped for David Healy? (in or hypothetical argument)

A man with no match fitness and one, admittedly very good, European qualifying campaign behind him?

This is all before we start getting into the problems of playing a midget like Healy up front with a midget like Keane.

David Healy has scored twice in the last 12 months. Once against San Marino, he has also played less than 15 times for club and country in the same period.

m@cc@

noodler wrote: »

Impressive by Kyle Lafferty.

Now do you honestly think, based on his excellent performances for Ireland over the last couple of years, that Kevin Doyle should be dropped for David Healy? (in or hypothetical argument)

A man with no match fitness and one, admittedly very good, European qualifying campaign behind him?

This is all before we start getting into the problems of playing a midget like Healy up front with a midget like Keane.

David Healy has scored twice in the last 12 months. Once against San Marino, he has also played less than 15 times for club and country in the same period.

His lack of club games hasn't affected his performances for Northern Ireland, why would it for an All-Ireland team. Furthermore, Doyles games are against second-level opposition.

noodler

m@cc@ wrote: »

His lack of club games hasn't affected his performances for Northern Ireland, why would it for an All-Ireland team. Furthermore, Doyles games are against second-level opposition.

Haven't they though? He has one international goal in the last year against San Marino? Are you sure you aren't just getting caught up with the hype from the last campaign?

Doyle has had an excellent season in the Champ, and excellent season in the prem, then an average season in the prem and now an excellent season in the champ.

Healy has 5 club goals since he left Leeds in 2007.

Currently, Doyle adds more in every capacity to his national team than Healy does to his.

m@cc@

noodler wrote: »

Haven't they though? He has one international goal in the last year against San Marino? Are you sure you aren't just getting caught up with the hype from the last campaign?

Doyle has had an excellent season in the Champ, and excellent season in the prem, then an average season in the prem and now an excellent season in the champ.

Healy has 5 club goals since he left Leeds in 2007.

Currently, Doyle adds more in every capacity to his national team than Healy does to his.

Healy has a 1 in 2 goal ratio. Anything else is a bonus.

noodler

Ignore the questions of form, work rate, aerial ability, and match fitness then.

m@cc@

noodler wrote: »

Ignore the questions of form, work rate, aerial ability, and match fitness then.

All of which are in the Championship and hardly comparable with international level.

noodler

noodler wrote: »

Doyle has had an excellent season in the Champ, and excellent season in the prem, then an average season in the prem and now an excellent season in the champ.


Currently, Doyle adds more in every capacity to his national team than Healy does to his.

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shamblertine

noodler wrote: »

Haven't they though? He has one international goal in the last year against San Marino? Are you sure you aren't just getting caught up with the hype from the last campaign?

I don't know why you keep mentioning hype, I've never heard much hype about Healey. The best way to consider who would be better for Ireland is to look at international form not club form, and Healeys incredible goal rate wins every time. And I'm not just talking about his goal rate in the last campaign, I'm talking about his last 62 games.

This whole argument of healey v doyle is pointless anyway, keane/doyle/healey would all be accomodated in the first team every time anyway, with Doyle probably playing behind the 2 strikers.

noodler

Doyle? Behind the front two?


Who are you people?

keane2097

shamblertine wrote: »

This whole argument of healey v doyle is pointless anyway, keane/doyle/healey would all be accomodated in the first team every time anyway, with Doyle probably playing behind the 2 strikers.

Whatever about the rest of what you've said, this alone proves you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

shamblertine

yeah cause doyle is an out and out goalscorer clearly

ScholesyIsGod

Im sure that they'd just be rotated if there was an all Ireland side, if they were all to play together Doyle could do a job out on the right

keane2097

shamblertine wrote: »

yeah cause doyle is an out and out goalscorer clearly

Are you really suggesting that Kevin Doyle is a playmaking striker? Do some research before you answer because your opinion is unlikely to be taken seriously again depending on your answer...

noodler

shamblertine wrote: »

yeah cause doyle is an out and out goalscorer clearly

Doyle has 55 goals in 152 games with Reading.

Healy has never had a record anywhere near as good as that, even if I go back to his Leeds or Preston days.

Go watch some football my man.

ScholesyIsGod

Apparently he scored 43 in 136 for Preston which is fairly similar.

noodler

True, not quite as good though, none of them were premier league goals and happened between 5 and 8 years ago.

Otherwise though, similar.