Eamon Gilmore's Speech

dave-higgz · 29-03-2009 1:59am #1

I was impressed overall. He said all the right things and it's great to see a third rate of tax. Looking forward to their pre-budget submission.

iguy · 29-03-2009 2:15am

I was also impressed,he gave a very strong speech,also looking forward to hearing what his proposals are for the budget.....except to me though,i think everytime the people applaused he did'nt like it because he was being interrupted!.....also seen on the 9'o clock news fianna fail got 5 points in some sort of opinion poll.....which i was hoping would.nt happen!

MoominPapa · 29-03-2009 8:48am

Hes a natural alright, the way he segwayed from the ad lib at the start to the beginning of the speech proper was effortless although I found the rousing call to arms at the end not very, well, rousing.

Dying to see how they propose to introduce a third rate of income tax mid year...

See the speech in full here (I couldn't get it working on rte for some reason)

Pride Fighter · 30-03-2009 12:18am

I didnt see this on the telly. Was it on?

Lockstep · 30-03-2009 12:34am

I was there.

He did a brilliant job, I agreed with what he said; third tax band, lowering days for tax exiles etc.

The_Minister · 30-03-2009 1:48am

There already is an effective third rate of tax - the income levy.

Th percentage rises as income rises.

nesf · 30-03-2009 2:08am

Isn't this already being done/discussed by FF though? Where's the "other road"? Where're the new proposals? The third tax rate is nothing new, neither would be a reduction of days for tax exiles.

axer · 30-03-2009 3:02am

Wasnt really that good. It didn't really offer much.

FF have been in power too long and let Ireland grow too quickly - they really messed up by not starting to build infrastructure before the boom when wages and costs were lower (what Poland is doing now). FG has Enda Kenny as its leader (enough of a reason not to vote for FG). Eamon Gilmore seems OK and is probably the best of the bad bunch but can Labour really get enough seats to take power? I doubt it.

Permabear · 30-03-2009 9:39am

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Driseog · 30-03-2009 12:47pm

Thats exactly the type of country we've been living in for the past 20 years and look where that got us. Make as much money as you can and screw as many people along the way as possible. "Unfettered by the shackles of society"? Sounds like you should go to Sealand.

Nodin · 30-03-2009 1:23pm

All well and good, but unless its agreed in a pre-election pact with FG, its doubtful if any of it will come to pass.

dlofnep · 30-03-2009 1:33pm

So, climb on the backs of the working class to ensure you can bathe yourself in bank notes? Yeah, no thanks to the likes of you in our society. It's greed that has destroyed this country. Perhaps the US would be more suitable for you.

PS: Does anyone have a transcript of the speech? I'm in college, so no sound to watch the video.

Permabear · 30-03-2009 1:42pm

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dlofnep · 30-03-2009 1:45pm

I never stated that you were, but a society dictated by your mindframe would result in the working class suffering.

New VISA deal under works between the US and Ireland. Maybe you'll take advantage of it, should the climate permit it.

Sound, thanks.

Permabear · 30-03-2009 4:31pm

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dlofnep · 30-03-2009 5:29pm

I'm sorry, but those who climb to the top - do so at great expense to others. It's been documented time and time again throughout history.

Happy days.

Permabear · 30-03-2009 5:40pm

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population · 31-03-2009 12:23am

Why does any notion of the state having a role to play always come back to Stalin???

He was a lunatic butchering murderer. Everybody knows this

Socialists know this, even Communists know it for frig sake!!!

Socially responsible actions lead to decent functioning economies. See Scandinavia. (No not Iceland!)

Lockstep · 31-03-2009 10:04am

Ah but can they do it with such panache:D

I agreed with what he said, the above were what I considered to be the most large scale changes, but I also liked what he said in relation to an Earn and LEarn scheme, PRSI cuts and the use of unemployed teachers and lawyers as assistants.

Soldie · 31-03-2009 10:52am

Is anyone else worried that Labour are calling for a 'New Deal' for Ireland...? :eek:

It was a standard rebel rousing speech, pandering to the 'average working person' - it's what we've come to expect now. Instead of trotting out the worn-out rhetoric of corrupt developers and crony capitalists, I'd like to see Gilmore genuinely explain the financial crisis and detail what Labour would do to that Fianna Fáil didn't do - because all I see being offered is a different shade of gray. Curiously, nothing in Labour's 2007 election manifesto seems to suggest a looming financial crisis - did they think the fundamentals of our economy were sound?

Permabear · 31-03-2009 11:24am

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Soldie · 31-03-2009 11:43am

Worryingly, it's explicitly stated on their website: http://www.labour.ie. 'a New Deal for Ireland'. :eek:

Permabear · 31-03-2009 11:50am

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Pride Fighter · 31-03-2009 2:56pm

I agree that the New Deal made the depression worse in the 30's but by the 40's it made it better, thanks partially to a world war. I think we need a 'New Deal' though, just not the type of 'New Deal' in the 30's, which as you suggest is overhyped for its importance.

nesf · 31-03-2009 3:12pm

See that's the thing for me. He's an excellent speaker and his style of oratory matches the times very well. He hasn't impressed me as a man with new ideas though. Whenever I listen to him speak I hear similar ideas to what's already being tried by the other parties.

Nodin · 31-03-2009 3:22pm

You really were there for a good while, weren't ye...

Tech3 · 31-03-2009 3:23pm

I also acknowledge he has excellent leader skills but that is not really important when there is an economic crisis going on. We as a nation need to see what proposals each party need to bring to the table. I will only judge each one on this. We should see these budget proposals in the next week or so I presume?

Permabear · 31-03-2009 3:29pm

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Lockstep · 31-03-2009 3:37pm

Well, he's the party leader, leadership skills are what he needs. The financial aspect is more for Joan Burton.

Labour's mini-budget is coming out very soon.

Are FF and FG offering the same points?

nesf · 31-03-2009 3:47pm

Similar enough on the big ideas when they get into details, a third tax band et al. It's not that they're copying each other or anything, they just all seem to be working off the same page so to speak.

Tech3 · 31-03-2009 3:51pm

I understand that but Im pointing out that is all Labour seem to be offering at this moment in time: leadership skills. Joan Burton hasnt mentioned any proposels of what Im aware of. She bypasses many questions being forced at her by the media IMO.

A few little taxes here and there wont sort out the economy. What about the VAT on goods it is way too high. They havnt focus enough on cross-border shopping its affecting several towns withim 200km of the north. They havnt mentioned anything about social welfare?

A third rate of tax isint going to solve the crisis. The way Gilmore pointed it out was that they came up with such a bright idea you would swear no other party pointed it out. They didnt. We need a serious budget that will get this countrys finances back under control.

Eamon Gilmore's Speech

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