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Paladin tanking.
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31-03-2009 3:21am#1
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I would say stay ret at 80 because it used to be alot harder to gear up to 25k+ hp and 535 def as soon as you hit 80. If you can do that without too much trouble, then be my guestRojomcdojo wrote: »Why do you say I should stay ret at 80? It's not too hard to gear up to 25k+ HP and 535 def so I can start heroics.
hmm
So hit is useless for me?
However, keep in mind that a substantial amount of the blue drops from heroics will be replaced fairly quickly with craftables and badge loot, not to mention drops from pug naxx/Vault runs. But in order to do those, you'll either need to be a dps or else in pretty decent gear. DPS can generally scrub their way into most pugs
Hit isnt useless, but with the Glyph of Righteous Defense (which you should have) you simply need another 8% hit rating to never miss with it. This combined with the fact that you now have a second taunt and both of them are on <8 second CD along with the normal, run-of-the-day burst threat that paladins can do as is; means it's not really an issue.
In terms of threat and mitigation: Expertise is generally greater than hit for paladins but it's really down to a personal preference. Once I hit 8% and never missed with Righteous Defense, I never thought about the stat again 0 -
Erm... I thought +hit was more important than expertise for pally tanks, as expertise will only affect white hits? I don't know too much about pally tanks, but I thought their yellow hits were not physical and therefore not affected by expertiseIn terms of threat and mitigation: Expertise is generally greater than hit for paladins but it's really down to a personal preference. Once I hit 8% and never missed with Righteous Defense, I never thought about the stat again
edit -> Not saying expertise isn't important (due to enemy overpower-like moves), but it isn't as important for a pally as it is for, say, a warrior tank.0 -
Parry haste is the bane of all tanks existence. If your attack is parried, then your target's next attack arrives faster.LordChessington wrote: »Erm... I thought +hit was more important than expertise for pally tanks, as expertise will only affect white hits? I don't know too much about pally tanks, but I thought their yellow hits were not physical and therefore not affected by expertise
edit -> Not saying expertise isn't important (due to enemy overpower-like moves), but it isn't as important for a pally as it is for, say, a warrior tank.
Also, paladins yellow hits rely on the white hits, aside from the specials. However paladin specials are similar to warrior and druid ones, in that they require significantly less hit rating to be capped. Something like 8% which is all you need to cap Righteous Defense too
Hit rating is similar to Warrior hit rating requirements, in that you need to cap your taunt and your specials but expertise has the same effective result as hit chance as it reduces the chance that your whites and yellows wont be dodged or parried and also reduces the chance to be parry gibbed.
It's a more expensive stat naturally, but it is still incredibly effective. So in effect, it is just as important for paladins as it is for warriors especially since alot of paladins specials are affected by it in the same way as warriors are, or arent - as the case maybe
Apologise if I'm getting confusing, just quote me if you want better clarification on any parts.0 -
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me-skywalker wrote: »quick question.... ive heard the phrase of paladins to 'pop a bubble' whats this?
and is assasination the best way to lvl up a rogue? currently lvl35 and gone combat route with plenty of good (blues/agility/stamina/strength)gear!
It's a spell that protects the caster from all damage for 12 seconds while still allowing them to attack at 50% normal damage.
Ivan, I'm beginning to agree with you on going the whole ret route until I can get rep/badge gear. I wrongly assumed that 1 def on gear = 1 def on stats but I was wrong
Can you tell me what the basic def is at 80 for a pala? And roughly how much def I will need gear wise to crack 535?
I'm just assuming here that basic def scales with level, because I seem to only have +72 def atm on my stats which is about 350 def on gear at level 78, however my def is about 470 in total.
Bit of a confusing way to explain it but I think you'll know what I mean0 -
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Titansteel boots and helm blow every non-heroic and most heroic and raid stuff, completely out of the water.
It's really up to you what you replace first, but there are decent blue drops that could hold you for a while, for the helm slot, while significantly less in the boots slot.
Mana is very rarely an issue, between Spiritual Attunement, Blessing of Sanctuary and Seal of Wisdom + Hammer of the Righteous, you actually need to work at going oom
Consecration is good, and should be a large factor in your rotation - however it is not as mindlessly spammable as it once used to be. Use your specific single target threat tools, combined with overlapping Hammers and Consecrate and you should have no difficulty holding aggro. Remember to use your taunts liberally nowadays, Hand of Salvation/Hand of Protection and your taunts are sometimes all the threat generation you need to do 0 -
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