The "I HATE TRIPLE H" MEGA bashing thread 2016 RE-OPEN

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Locking this just in case.

Will re open in a few days again.

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I have a feeling this thread may be needed again soon. It will be locked on the day of WM for a few days again though.

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Not sure what people's problem is here with HHH. The logical conclusion to the Brock feud is for the face to get back his win after being badly treated by the monster heel. Makes perfect sense.

Losing doesn't really hurt Brock either tbh, he's booked very well these days. His appearances always seem kinda special and he has such a loose cannon and monster-like aura that you tend to overlook his defeats.

gimmick

HHH bashing is far more fun that not HHH bashing so pipe down!

SlickRic

you won't be making the most out of Brock by beating him though.

if this was the other way round, HHH being the big draw, who has just decided to sign on for 2 more Wrestlemanias, he would be the first one to say it doesn't make sense to be beaten.

Rock/Brock next year would make a lot more sense if they both weren't going into it off Wrestlemania losses too.

i'm fully aware they can both be built up again easily, but FFS, so can HHH if he's going to have a match.

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SlickRic wrote: »

you won't be making the most out of Brock by beating him though.

if this was the other way round, HHH being the big draw, who has just decided to sign on for 2 more Wrestlemanias, he would be the first one to say it doesn't make sense to be beaten.

Rock/Brock next year would make a lot more sense if they both weren't going into it off Wrestlemania losses too.

i'm fully aware they can both be built up again easily, but FFS, so can HHH if he's going to have a match.

Its two part timers against each other essentially. I don't think the long term implications matter either way. If Rock/Brock is indeed the plan for next year then I don't think either man losing at this year's Mania has any bearing on a match planned for 12 months down the line.

In the context of this feud, the face should get the win back, considering how the entire feud thus far has been based around the heel inflicting injutice after injustice upon him.

I wonder how much of this is to do with the fact that its Hunter, and if it were a more "internet-friendly" worker would people still be of the same opinion? I also think people are railing a little against the predictability of the result, rather than judging the feud and its natural outcome on its own merits (Bill).

I also think people see Hunter in his current part time role as a seriously big deal and as such Brock losing to him won't particularly hurt him, in the same way losing to Cena hasn't hurt him one iota, and in the same way Punk losing to Taker won't hurt him. There are certain guys people accept losing to as being acceptable in the heirarchy WWE has created. Now if they had Brock losing to the likes of Danielson I think his aura would be hurt. But losing to "supermen" types like HHH, Cena is an altogether different matter IMO and either way can be done in a way that still makes him look like an absolute beast.

Bottom line, people aren't going to see Brock as any less of a threat to Rock in 12 months time just because he loses competitively to a guy as big as HHH a year before. Far weaker, less credible guys guys have been rebuilt from far more lowly positions in such a time frame. Hell, you could book Brock/Rock for a month after Mania and it'd be no less a big deal for Brock losing to Hunter.

SlickRic

Pete Campbell wrote: »

I wonder how much of this is to do with the fact that its Hunter, and if it were a more "internet-friendly" worker would people still be of the same opinion? I also think people are railing a little against the predictability of the result, rather than judging the feud and its natural outcome on its own merits (Bill).

i've said numerous times that the natural progression of the feud dictates that the face should get the win.

100%.

but i think part of people's problem with all of this is indeed that it's Hunter. he does not need this. Cena, you could conceivably argue, needed the win over Brock at Extreme Rules, just so the face of the company doesn't lose 2 big matches in a month.

there is no reason for HHH to get a win here, other than they fact that the storyline, that WWE came up with, dictates that he should win. if that's the case, don't do the story. or do a variation of it with someone else.

the problem is, i am also convinced they did this story with the notion that Brock was leaving at the end of the year. things changed. Brock is now going to be with company another 2 years.

as i say, if the shoe was on the other foot, Hunter would, no doubt, be vouching to be kept extremely strong.

in essence, they've actually booked themselves into a corner.

Lord TSC

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I want Brock to win.

But I'd agree it won't hurt him much if he loses.

If he loses, have him the next night on Raw absolutely maim someone (be it Rock, Taker or whoever). Have him so pissed, he just destroys a big name. Monster aura instantly restored.

SlickRic

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

If he loses, have him the next night on Raw absolutely maim someone (be it Rock, Taker or whoever). Have him so pissed, he just destroys a big name. Monster aura instantly restored.

this, i could deal with.

more likely he'll destroy Sin Cara or something, which would be pointless.

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SlickRic wrote: »

this, i could deal with.

more likely he'll destroy Sin Cara or something, which would be pointless.

Feed him someone like Kane or Big Show who are seen to be big names no matter what they do. Job done.

lucast2007us

Brock has lost every ppv since returning I see no change at WM the game will have to pull out "all the stops" to beat him but I have no doubt he will do it
Every face will win at mania even Orton show and sheamus v shield!

SlickRic

Pete Campbell wrote: »

Feed him someone like Kane or Big Show who are seen to be big names no matter what they do. Job done.

i actually don't agree.

people don't care enough about them.

he'll look mean and strong enough, granted. but he's not HHH, Cena or Rock. it won't have the impact. you'll still go "ah, but he lost to an actual top-tier guy last night".

do they have the guts to have him destroy Rocky the night after he loses at Wrestlemania? that'd set things up nicely.

Lord TSC

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lucast2007us wrote: »

Brock has lost every ppv!

He beat HHH, didn't he?

In fact, isn't he 1 win, 1 loss?

thebostoncrab

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Can I also ask why everyone is saying HHH will 100% beat Brock? There is no guarantee of the result. It's the result that makes the most sense ATM seems to be the line throw out...but imagine it Brock wins and Vince gets into a huge panic and watches as Brock spends the year destroying his roster. Come Summerslam he gets The Rock but to no result. He reasiles only one man can silence the beast, just in time for Wrestlemania 30, Undertaker

SlickRic

1) WWE is, and always will be, a face company. especially at WM.

2) it's HHH.

3) it makes sense, and storyline-wise, probably should happen.

4) it's HHH.

SlickRic

Atari Jaguar!

SlickRic wrote: »

2) it's HHH.

4) it's HHH.

This :P

There is no way HHH is losing 2 matches in a row to the same person.

This is the same man that beat Punk in 2011 (when Punk was well on his way to being the next big star in the company behind Cena) when the proper thing would have been to put Punk over.

He hasn't changed his ways in my IMO

SlickRic

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This :P

There is no way HHH is losing 2 matches in a row to the same person.

tbf, he did for Batista - 3 matches in a row.

but that was as a heel, and against his workout buddy.

also, this would be a Summerslam, then a Wrestlemania loss, as a face.

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SlickRic wrote: »

i actually don't agree.

people don't care enough about them.

he'll look mean and strong enough, granted. but he's not HHH, Cena or Rock. it won't have the impact. you'll still go "ah, but he lost to an actual top-tier guy last night".

do they have the guts to have him destroy Rocky the night after he loses at Wrestlemania? that'd set things up nicely.

Would it be too soon though if you're building for a match 12 months away? Surely then you'd have to keep Rock off TV for 11 months as you'd imagine he'd want to deal with the Brock situation straight away on his return.

Liam O

SlickRic wrote: »

1) WWE is, and always will be, a face company. especially at WM.

2) it's HHH.

3) it makes sense, and storyline-wise, probably should happen.

4) it's HHH.

Yeah but Rock-Cena is the main event and everyone young or old has a horse there. Punk-Taker is almost a forgone conclusion of a face win. I'd say ADR-Swagger is in the air, leaves the Shield match and Brock-HHH. I feel that there is a big heel win somewhere on the card, could just be Ziggler though. Brock is a monster draw and could sell one of the PPVs that Rock is MIA for on his own and I'm not sure they can afford to not have him be the biggest draw possible.

GRMA

They might fudge finish somewhat, Brock breaks his arm when there is no ref, Vince comes out as a distraction and hhh capitalises on that somehow - hhh wins but Brock still looks a beast cause he walks out and hhh goes to hospital.

jaykhunter

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I'd love to see what HHH can (still) do if they stripped away his crutches - his HiaC match with Taker was afforded all of the storyline drama/ near falls (Something Jericho/Punk weren't given) and immediate brawls to the outside. To be honest I don't mind that H is obviously winning so much as the SummerSlam match was really boring. It was 10 mins of booking stretched out to 30. I assume they'll have a blow-off rubber match either at EC or SummerSlam 2013. I'd hope the rematch is much better but I'm not really given hope to think so. I'd absolutely love it if they added the Lion's Den match as a stip. it'd force them to have a unique and tightly booked match. They need to do more than kick out of each other's finishers!

krudler

GRMA wrote: »

They might fudge finish somewhat, Brock breaks his arm when there is no ref, Vince comes out as a distraction and hhh capitalises on that somehow - hhh wins but Brock still looks a beast cause he walks out and hhh goes to hospital.

Ref bump, Brock goes to town on HHH's arm with a chair or whatever, Vince or Steph run out, Brock goes after them as a new ref arrives, HHH gets the win. Brock goes bananas and kicks the bejesus out of him, someone else runs out for the save setting up Brocks next feud. Brock looks beastly, HHH is out for a while but gets his honour win.

or Brock will lose to a crotch chop and pedigree clean, whatever they come up with on the day :pac:

Liam O

jaykhunter wrote: »

I'd love to see what HHH can (still) do if they stripped away his crutches - his HiaC match with Taker was afforded all of the storyline drama/ near falls (Something Jericho/Punk weren't given) and immediate brawls to the outside. To be honest I don't mind that H is obviously winning so much as the SummerSlam match was really boring. It was 10 mins of booking stretched out to 30. I assume they'll have a blow-off rubber match either at EC or SummerSlam 2013. I'd hope the rematch is much better but I'm not really given hope to think so. I'd absolutely love it if they added the Lion's Den match as a stip. it'd force them to have a unique and tightly booked match. They need to do more than kick out of each other's finishers!

Brock was really out of shape back then I think, he looks a lot better now and should be able to put on a better match.

krudler

How is Brock's health these days anyway? I don't really follow MMA so only heard he had some severe illness a while back

Handsome Bob

I've warmed to the guy over the past few years as he seems to genuinely have the best interests of the business at heart (bar Punk jobbing to him).

But his promo last week reminded me why I used to have nothing but disdain for the guy. The aura of smugness off of it was infuriating as the guy is clearly beside himself with joy that Brock will be jobbing to him at WM.

DM_7

No way Brock is doing anything he doesn't want to do at Mania after the Cena thing. If Brock is okay with the match at Mania I have no idea why so many people are annoyed by the potential Triple H win.

oh yeah back on topic - erm. That Triple H Fella he is such a meanie.

jaykhunter

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Liam O wrote: »

Brock was really out of shape back then I think, he looks a lot better now and should be able to put on a better match.

I don't think I can accept 'out of shape' as an excuse for awful booking for SummerSlam 2012 considering he put on a blinder with Cena at Extreme Rules a few months prior.

Sticking with Triple H, I've no problem with him winning (I expect it, why else would there be a rematch besides the selfish need to get his win back) but I hope he actually puts together an entertaining, compelling match.

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I don't really get why people get so hung up on who wins a match. As long as its a good watch generally Im happy.

Handsome Bob

Pete Campbell wrote: »

I don't really get why people get so hung up on who wins a match. As long as its a good watch generally Im happy.

It's about building someone. Brock should be built up as an unstoppable beast, especially given the money they've spent on him to sign him for 2 more years. Triple H beating Brock does nothing for the long term product, while it will damage Brock.

I honestly hope NY/NJ boo the **** out of "Haitch".

DM_7

Handsome Bob wrote: »

It's about building someone. Brock should be built up as an unstoppable beast, especially given the money they've spent on him to sign him for 2 more years. Triple H beating Brock does nothing for the long term product, while it will damage Brock.

I honestly hope NY/NJ boo the **** out of "Haitch".

It won't really damage him though.

Take 'real' fighting, did losing to Mir damage Brock? Nope, the second time they fought saw UFC biggest buy rate ever as far as I know.

Lesner was on the card for 7 fights in UFC. He was in 5 of UFCs top 14 selling ppv's ever and 4 of the top 6.

Building a guy is not all about who wins, its really about promotion. No matter what Brock is earning big money and will be promoted well.

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Handsome Bob wrote: »

It's about building someone. Brock should be built up as an unstoppable beast, especially given the money they've spent on him to sign him for 2 more years. Triple H beating Brock does nothing for the long term product, while it will damage Brock.

I honestly hope NY/NJ boo the **** out of "Haitch".

Lesnar doesn't need building. He has a career in both PW and MMA that gives him a status in fans eyes that won't be diminished by losing at Mania. He is beyond one off defeats mattering at this stage.

Handsome Bob

It will hurt him because over the next two years he should be used to build younger stars like Punk. Punk beating a Lesnar that has lost to both HHH and Cena lessens the achievement.

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Handsome Bob wrote: »

It will hurt him because over the next two years he should be used to build younger stars like Punk. Punk beating a Lesnar that has lost to both HHH and Cena lessens the achievement.

Most people won't even remember the Mania result in a few months. I had go check in Google the other day who won the HHH/Lesnar original bout. You are way overthinking things. Lesnar is booked so seldom and is such a big name that get can easily lose to guys like Hunter and still have his aura.

Handsome Bob

Pete Campbell wrote: »

Most people won't even remember the Mania result in a few months. I had go check in Google the other day who won the HHH/Lesnar original bout. You are way overthinking things. Lesnar is booked so seldom and is such a big name that get can easily lose to guys like Hunter and still have his aura.

If you're watching anyway regularly, you should know who won that. I mean that's the whole *point* of this rematch. The burial of burials wants his win back, even though he never gave Punk his win back. :rolleyes:

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Handsome Bob wrote: »

If you're watching anyway regularly, you should know who won that. I mean that's the whole *point* of this rematch. The burial of burials wants his win back, even though he never gave Punk his win back. :rolleyes:

All you've proven here is what I've suspected all along - that all this whining is good old Hunter bashing rather than some kind of faux concern for Lesnar's aura or what's right for business. At least be honest about it like.

PS Stick your rolleyes up yer bollox.

Handsome Bob

Smiley wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the hypocrisy of HHH i.e. he *must* get his win back against Lesnar yet one of the hottest superstars of right now doesn't need his win back against HHH.

This IS being concerned about the business, especially given the very real argument that Punk jobbing against HHH and the feud abruptly ending actually hurt Punk's momentum as the new major face.

A Primal Nut

Don't mind Triple H, but I have to laugh when he always talk about being a student of the game and always doing what's right for business. Yeah, its easy to do what's right for business when that means they win all the time. Same with Undertaker.

starviewadams

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Handsome Bob wrote: »

Smiley wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the hypocrisy of HHH i.e. he *must* get his win back against Lesnar yet one of the hottest superstars of right now doesn't need his win back against HHH.

This IS being concerned about the business, especially given the very real argument that Punk jobbing against HHH and the feud abruptly ending actually hurt Punk's momentum as the new major face.

Punk coming back a whole week after saying he was leaving with the title hurt his mommentum and credability more then losing to HHH.Also the fact that he's completely unsuitable in a babyface role didn't help either,he was never going to catch fire and become the the next John Cena.

It makes complete and utter sense in storyline/wrestling terms for HHH to beat Lesnar at Mania.It's wrestling not some subtle art house film FFS.

Handsome Bob

I agree Punk coming back so soon didn't help, but that loss to HHH truly compounded things. I have to disagree though on the claim that Punk can't carry the company as a face as there was a moment where he was outselling Cena in merchandise.

Re: Trips, I could care less about the storyline, the storyline of Brock injuring Vince has merely been constructed so Trips can get his win back. But Trips getting his win back doesn't actually do *anything* for the business as Trips will go back to doing nothing, while Brock will go on to further feuds looking weaker.

A Primal Nut

Handsome Bob wrote: »

I agree Punk coming back so soon didn't help, but that loss to HHH truly compounded things. I have to disagree though on the claim that Punk can't carry the company as a face as there was a moment where he was outselling Cena in merchandise.

Re: Trips, I could care less about the storyline, the storyline of Brock injuring Vince has merely been constructed so Trips can get his win back. But Trips getting his win back doesn't actually do *anything* for the business as Trips will go back to doing nothing, while Brock will go on to further feuds looking weaker.

But it will help increase the buys at WrestleMania, which is what its all about and one of the main reasons they brought Brock back in the first place. Same with HHH, Undertaker and The Rock.

Handsome Bob

And what will it do for the long term? Not a lot, I actually vaguely recall that Vince was disappointed with the buys for last year's WM which had a similar strategy of booking main events that weren't actually going to have any real pay off in the long term.

A Primal Nut

There are 11 other months of the year to build stars. WrestleMania is about putting on the best show possible as its the most important show of the year financially. That means getting out all the big guns. Last year's one was their highest-selling PPV ever so I doubt he was disappointed with the buyrate.

jaykhunter

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I agree with your sentiment Primal Nut, WM is not the time to build stars, it's for built stars to shine. It's a business decision. WWE PPVs in general do poorly the rest of the year. But small correction - last year's didn't outdraw Trump's WM23 (1.14m). You might be thinking of the ridiculously inflated wild first estimate of 1.9 million.

Lord TSC

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Thing is it also strikes me that this year, there's plenty of matches there for the undercard.

You've got three new guys in The Shield getting a big Mania match against some of the top guys in the business. You've got Punk being rewarded with a match usually reserved for the higher echelons. Ryback is likely going to get a Mania moment against Henry (when/if he lifts Henry for the Shellshock, the crowd will go nuts; they NEED to keep the spot until Mania though). That's probably the five largest growing stars of the last 12 months being given huge spots on the card.

Meanwhile, Bryan/Kane and Ziggler/Big E could be a phenomenal undercard match. Jericho/Miz/Barrett if they do it could be really good as well.

Realistically, who is being left off the card as things stand that have earned a spot on it over the last 12 months? Who is Brock vs HHH bumping that deserves the light shone on them so brightly? The likes of The Usos or JTG can't complain about not getting a Mania payday if they've not been getting on the shows for the 11 months previously...

Horsebox9000

Atari Jaguar!

Also with regards to the HHH vs Punk match. While HHH may have won he made punk look damn strong! If I recall correctly Punk kicked out of a few pedigrees and trips needed the help of Kevin Nash to get the win over Punk.

I don't think that match done any damage to anyones credibility or star power, it was more so the stupid storyline with regards to text messages which killed the momentum.

Reebrock

Yeah, that stupid text messahe thig was a drag - and the payoff had nothing to do with Punk, he was just a middle man in the storyline.

sky88

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i love HHH




oh sorry wrong thread

KKkitty

Haven't watched wrestling in years but marrying the boss's daughter was a great achievement.

GTR63

I completely forgot he took on Punk years ago, had to google it. But I think if he were to beat Lesnar in a MMA rules match it might hurt lesnar but in a normal match it wouldn't make a difference BUT please leave the retarded sledgehammer at home, what a dopey prop that is.

starviewadams

Loathe Him

Where did the MMA rules match rumour come from?

I'd really doubt Vince would okay such a match,especially at Mania tbh.