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Media Censorship and Free Speech

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    #32
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    SkepticOne wrote: »
    So very sad.


    What makes his comment worse is the fact that [he that shall not be named] was in fact NOT 'elected' as Taoiseach.


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    #33
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    He said "government", not "taoiseach"... and Fianna Fáil was voted in as the government.

    Seriously, the "let's pretend we live in a repressed banana republic cuz it's kinda romantic" mindset is getting old...


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    #34
    Barname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Barname


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    What makes his comment worse is the fact that [he that shall not be named] was in fact NOT voted in as Taoiseach.

    What makes matters worse is the following:
    “The electoral mandate that we work off is 2007. I don’t think this country wants, or needs an election to be honest.”
    Brian Cowen March 29th 2009

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/0330/1224243690662.html

    Cowen THINKS he has a mandate.

    He inherited his seat.
    He was not elected Taoiseach by the people.


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    #35
    Barname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Barname


    Dudess wrote: »
    He said "government", not "taoiseach"... and Fianna Fáil was voted in as the government.

    Seriously, the "let's pretend we live in a repressed banana republic cuz it's kinda romantic" mindset is getting old...

    You would have to be in denial so as to be unaware of how badly this country is being ran.

    The Waste
    The Patronage
    The Excess
    The Bloat
    The woeful management at EVERY level

    The balance sheet is bust. WAKE UP PEOPLE


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    #36
    aineolach
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭aineolach


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    Boards is reacting in a very silly manner (if true) to a request made by our very own Government, which is, in fact, unlawful and unconstitutional.

    You're just trying to undermine their authority. You will respect their authority!


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    #37
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    aineolach wrote: »
    You're just trying to undermine their authority. You will respect their authority!


    Nobody's authority is above the Constitution I'm afraid!

    I notice I have not had a reply (by anyone representing boards) to that particular post of mine either. Says a lot.


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    #38
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Dudess wrote: »
    He said "government", not "taoiseach"... and Fianna Fáil was voted in as the government.

    Seriously, the "let's pretend we live in a repressed banana republic cuz it's kinda romantic" mindset is getting old...

    The FF that was voted to Government - with Ahern as Taoiseach, is vastly different to that which is in power today.

    An election is needed, although I believe complete and utter reform is required, but never happening.


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    #39
    Barname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Barname


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    Nobody's authority is above the Constitution I'm afraid!

    I notice I have not had a reply (by anyone representing boards) to that particular post of mine either. Says a lot.

    Gunner did you check my links?

    All I have asked for from the Mod is to see the correspondance.

    It truly is remarkable that such attempts to quell free speech are being pushed by this Government.

    Maybe its time to email Hookie or Matt Cooper?


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    #40
    SkepticOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭SkepticOne


    Cowen is the lawful Teaseach and FF lawfully and constitutionally form the Government here but that is not really the issue here, imo.

    What it says to me is that the current government is on its last legs and is using threats of legal action in an attempt to cling onto power a little longer. Hopefully this will become a political issue and backfire on them.


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    #41
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users Posts: 4,883 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    As a matter of interest, why did the overweight guy with glasses (I didn't use his name:D) who runs the country order censorship on this forum? What have I missed?


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    #42
    Barname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Barname


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    The FF that was voted to Government - with Ahern as Taoiseach, is vastly different to that which is in power today.

    An election is needed, although I believe complete and utter reform is required, but never happening.


    What makes matters worse is the following:
    “The electoral mandate that we work off is 2007. I don’t think this country wants, or needs an election to be honest.”
    Brian Cowen March 29th 2009

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...243690662.html

    Cowen THINKS he has a mandate.

    He inherited his seat.
    He was not elected Taoiseach by the people.
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    #43
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Barname wrote: »
    Gunner did you check my links?

    All I have asked for from the Mod is to see the correspondance.

    It truly is remarkable that such attempts to quell free speech are being pushed by this Government.

    Maybe its time to email Hookie or Matt Cooper?

    I had already read the content and the mod being banned etc etc before I saw this thread, which is how I have become so involved with this thread.

    I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to scan the letter and post it up for all to see.

    Though as this seems a little pro FF, they'll probably have to have a consultation, get a loan from the bank to pay for said consultation (at 3000% interest), get a consultation about the consultation. Hire somebody to actually take on board the work that the consultation has recommended, which will involve hiring 4 deputee's to oversee the work that will actually be sub-contracted to a non-irish firm, will finish over budget, and about 2 years after everyone has forgotten all about the damn letter in the first place.

    Then starts the enquiry and subsequent tribunal into why the scanner that was supposed to scan said document was actually acquired from a firm owned by Biffo's second cousins fiancee, at 2000x the price that would be paid had he went to a high street shop.

    And we'd still never get to see the letter.


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    #44
    Barname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Barname


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    I had already read the content and the mod being banned etc etc before I saw this thread, which is how I have become so involved with this thread.

    I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to scan the letter and post it up for all to see.

    Though as this seems a little pro FF, they'll probably have to have a consultation, get a loan from the bank to pay for said consultation (at 3000% interest), get a consultation about the consultation. Hire somebody to actually take on board the work that the consultation has recommended, which will involve hiring 4 deputee's to oversee the work that will actually be sub-contracted to a non-irish firm, will finish over budget, and about 2 years after everyone has forgotten all about the damn letter in the first place.

    Then starts the enquiry and subsequent tribunal into why the scanner that was supposed to scan said document was actually acquired from a firm owned by Biffo's second cousins fiancee, at 2000x the price that would be paid had he went to a high street shop.

    And we'd still never get to see the letter.

    You couldnt make it up!

    Thats how all documentation in this country is supressed.
    Harney excels at it.

    And those in denial dont think we live in a banana republic?


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    #45
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Until told otherwise I assume this is an April Fools day joke going stale. If its not I would expect a scan of the letter they received to be posted here for all to see.


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    #46
    SkepticOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭SkepticOne


    gandalf wrote: »
    Until told otherwise I assume this is an April Fools day joke going stale. If its not I would expect a scan of the letter they received to be posted here for all to see.
    Apparently it goes on all day in Ireland.


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    #47
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    SkepticOne wrote: »
    Apparently it goes on all day in Ireland.

    Or for your full term if you are in Government :D


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    #48
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    No! :mad:

    You can't see the letter. I have it (obviously, seeing as I'm the Alternative & Indie moderator) and I'm not showing anyone.

    The paranoia on this thread is hilarious! :D:D:D
    There isn't even any proof of what the conspiracy theorists are speculating so they're just deciding it's the case.

    Absolutely right - you couldn't make it up!

    Oh and I'm not denying Ireland is in a disastrous state at the moment, I'm just denying the notion it's comparable to a brutal dictatorship...


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    #49
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Maybe they should have the next election on April 1st? That way at least we'd know the government was a joke lol


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    #50
    Barname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Barname


    The Economist wrote: »
    I've received a serious PM regarding this thread.

    I don't want to close it but unfortunately for legal reasons the next poster to mention (or allude to) Fianna Fáil or any of its members will be banned.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59640375&postcount=20
    The Economist wrote: »
    I'd rather not discuss it too much lads. It was a very serious PM. Was signed and had the date on it and all.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59644495&postcount=24

    Feel free to review the above links and kindly advise if you think more information should be more forthcoming?


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    #51
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    All of the information possibly available on this issue is already in the public domain. There is no more information which can be supplied.


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    #52
    Barname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Barname


    seamus wrote: »
    All of the information possibly available on this issue is already in the public domain. There is no more information which can be supplied.

    Seamus,

    Link Please

    Kind regards, Barname.


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    #53
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Yawn, carrying on April fools day jokes beyond 12pm is so yesterday.

    (Unless you are from Zani-FF and are doing your level best to bankrupt the country and your name is Brian Cowen!).


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    #54
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    seamus wrote: »
    All of the information possibly available on this issue is already in the public domain. There is no more information which can be supplied.

    Pull the other one, will you?!

    If this is not a ridiculously drawn out April fools joke, I think the letter (or at least a transcript of same, verbatim) should be shown.


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    #55
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    Barname wrote: »
    Cowen THINKS he has a mandate.
    He inherited his seat.
    He was not elected Taoiseach by the people.

    I think you will find that the voters of Laois-Offaly elected BC as their TD.

    Nobody is elected Taoiseach "by the people". The constitution provides that the Taoiseach be elected by the Dail.


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    #56
    SkepticOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭SkepticOne


    gandalf wrote: »
    Yawn, carrying on April fools day jokes beyond 12pm is so yesterday.
    Especially after it's been called several times.


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    #57
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Barname wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59640375&postcount=20


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59644495&postcount=24

    Feel free to review the above links and kindly advise if you think more information should be more forthcoming?
    Wait a sec... you WANT this be true don't you?! Nothing like a bit of drama! :)


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    #58
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    As a matter of interest, why did the overweight guy with glasses (I didn't use his name:D) who runs the country order censorship on this forum? What have I missed?
    Along with most other people.... the date, apparently! :)

    DeV.


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    #59
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,579 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Not trying to be smart but what reason (in the letter) is been given to not talk about him on here?


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    #60
    abouttobebanned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭abouttobebanned


    This probably seemed like a good idea last night...


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    #61
    nesf
    Registered Users Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    jonny24ie wrote: »
    Not trying to be smart but what reason (in the letter) is been given to not talk about him on here?

    They asked very nicely and in fairness to DeV and the rest they were courteous enough to comply and instruct the moderation team to crack down on it.


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