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jackiebrown wrote: »I admire your moxy HH. Never stooping to their level.
Your talking about intuition which is an alien concept to some people. To be open minded is to be suspicious of everything and trust your intuition to show you what's real and whats smoke and mirrors. You feel somethings not right and trust me, so do a lot of people. The problem with proof is you really only get it after the fact but we need preventative measures. Hindsights great but we need foresight.
Thank you
I may not have posted much here but I have experience on other boards and know how this works. Also I've mentioned I've had many a heated drunken debate on these things.. I don't think I'll ever understand why people actually get ANGRY that I like to look at things another way (I've said it's more fun... although sometimes not, it can be painfully obvious what's going on ala GWB and Iraq). When conspiracy theories become the truth, they're then just the truth and people forget it was ever 'just a conspiracy theory' to begin with... hence all CT's are just paranoia, sensationalism and perhaps a little bit of mental illness :rolleyes: when there's always the possibility of a CT having some grain of truth to it. 0 -
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Purple Gorilla wrote: »Anyone can be suspicious of everything but that doesn't make their suspicion correct. I can be suspicious that coke is actually fanta and bog water but if all the evidence suggests that coke isn't fanta and bog water then really my suspicion is just wrong. It's human nature and perfectly normal to question things but it's there's no real point to question something if all the evidence is saying you're wrong and you're only going on a hunch.
Heineken Helen, as regards to the LHC, it wasn't made to save the world or provide any real-world benefits as far as I'm aware. From what I learned, It was created to find the Higgs Boson. This is the last type of particle they need to find to prove the Standard Model and it will basically confirm and unify all the laws of physics and what interests me the most, is that it will prove whether or not there are multiple dimensions.
"Recreating" the Big Bang is only a secondary objective as only 1 month out of the whole year is dedicated to this.
As for Svalbard, just because you've never heard of it before doesn't mean you should be suspicious of it :P I've known of it for quite a while as I'm sure all Norwegians have too.. Considering Norway is essentially a neutral country (apart from NATO membership) it really wouldn't have any ulterior motives and the Seed bank is a huge collaboration between many countries and foundations... Ireland donated 32 varieties of potato to the seed bank.
It's only fair that if we humans somehow cause a crisis which hugely effects plantlife then we should have some sort of back-up mechanism to restore it
Lol, I certainly do understand that just cos I haven't heard of some island doesn't mean I should be suspicious of it... I just found it unusual that it made the international news twice in the space of a week for entirely different reasons... many of the newspaper articles didn't even join the dots. Of course there's the possibility that there's no connection whatsoever but the vault didn't make much sense to me anyway (again, how are they gonna open it? There's high security and only a few people have access to it... kinda defeats the purpose if they're going to use those seeds to grow all the plantlife again when nobody can gain ACCESS to the seeds
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Mahatma coat wrote: »Well Stonehenge IS a Building of some description
on that topic tho, as I have been dtiving around Australia I have come across 'Geographic Features' that looks suspiciously liek petrified cities,
the most interestin one that I have examined is out between Winton and Kynuna on the Matilda HWY, I've walked around this one and the proportions are right for it to be laid out like streets.
there are also a few rather suspect 'Pyramids' most people will be aware of the one near Gordanvale ( Between Cairns and Innisfail) but one of the most perfect ones I've seen was out at Selwyn (SW of Mount Isa, NE of Dajarra) it was like a large rectanglar type pyramid ( whats the word for a rectangular pyramindy thingy witha ridgeline) like a roof, but the proportions are almost perfect.
Bear in mind that this is the same place that has Lizards (yes actual small green lizards) which run around upright, and have legs hat fit undertheir bodies instead of out to one side (more birdlike) I have neer seen them anywhere else, evil little feckers with teeth and little arms, not like the normal type lizards you usually get round these parts. fast too, but next time I'm out that way I'll figure out a method of trappin a few.
Interesting... will ya take some pictures next time you're out there too? or do you happen to have any? 0 -
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Look I'm serious about this, I don't get it. The OP started a thread about stuff that wasn't even remotely suspicious and couldn't explain why she thought it was suspicious. You might not believe this but I'm all for believing that people might be conspiring against us but most of what I read in here is lacking any kind of real backup. Something that would take it from being an interesting story such as I read in the many books I go through to something actually real.
And espinolman I'd admire your perseverance on the chem trails topic but we haven't even got past why we would need to be sprayed from the air in the first place, never mind how come we can't even find that these 'chemical' planes exist. We can trace super secret CIA planes all over the world but can't prove we're being sprayed whatsoever. Do you not think that maybe for a moment you might have this wrong?
It's suspicious to me and I've tried to explain... not my fault you don't understand where I'm coming from. This thread is about suspicions WITHOUT any backup... you seem to have difficulty in grasping that?
Maybe you're just asking the wrong questions?
If I HAD any proof or anything to back it up, it probably would be a fully fledged conspiracy theory but I don't so it's not. How ARE we defining CT's by the way?:o 0 -
I've been reading about and watched the documentry on the Global Warming Myth.
Basically saying that the whole global warming thing as presented by Al Gore, is based on the fact that we as humans make way to much carbon dioxide and this pushes the temp up.
So I have been fighting with this one for a while. My dad sent me an email saying that David Bellemy was out spoken against this theory and this week in China, they have signed a piece of legislation to clear up the air around the manufacturing area of Shenzhen. They are reducing all of the dirty gases and waste that comes out, but CO2 is not on the list, why? because they don't see it as a greenhouse gas.
It's quite strange cos in my school, global warming is FACT and it's just what we were brought up on... when I first heard Americans saying 'I don't believe in global warming' I actually laughed and thought they were nuts but scientists certainly do seem to conflict on this one... or is it American scientists V European scientists? 0 -
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I never claimed anything is true... I'm guilty of claiming it's suspicious to ME but I never claimed it's true but IMO it's worth looking at. And good for you and your booksYou can believe anything you like and I really don't care either way. Stories are great fun, personally I love books and good science fiction. Where I have a problem is you telling me and others in here something is true when you clearly don't know anything about the topic. So you can call it another way of looking at it and I'd call it dreaming some stuff up.
Governments and corporations get caught out all the time in reality yet in all the vast conspiracies we talk about in here they are omnipotent, and extremely competent, and don't get caught. So we have the reality vs a good story.
I think somebody's already addressed the issue of hindsight. How long do governments and corporations actually get away with something before being caught? Just cos they haven't been caught doing something YET doesn't mean they're not doing it. I think it's pretty much accepted now that there's SOMETHING dodgy going on in Roswell... not even aliens but certainly not what the government was saying was going on... that was a conspiracy theory and a 'silly story' for decades.0 -
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Heineken Helen wrote: »I never claimed anything is true... I'm guilty of claiming it's suspicious to ME but I never claimed it's true but IMO it's worth looking at. And good for you and your books
Okay. But I posted a map of earthquakes that shows a lot of them in the area of the seedbank and over large areas of the planets surface, including Ireland for that matter. So if these are normal day to day events (which can be proven) why would it be suspicious to you? Are you suspicious of everything all the time or how do you work this out? I'm really curious.0 -
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You said they were in Melbourne. How were the earthquakes in Melbourne traceable to Svalbard? The post you quoted was specifically related to the Svalbard earthquakes... I don't think the Melbourne ones got as high as 6+ ?
I just mentioned the Melbourne earthquakes cos they're pretty unusual too... didn't mean to suggest they came from Svalbard... although I'd certainly be interested in discussing where they came from. An Aussie friend of mine seems to think it's some drilling being done out to sea that may have caused it.0 -
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I'm sorry, I thought that saying seemed to be traceable to something else meant there was some kind of connection between them.
So you think that diseases are engineered by drugs companies to sell treatments and preventative medicines? Possible.
I don't believe there was a prehistoric nuclear war, but there is some interesting evidence. Something about radiation levels in stratified ice caps. It's not entirely implausible.
Gravity?
Well it's POSSIBLE there's a connection... but considering the distance between Norway and Australia it's something that I'M not capable of trying to figure out... so I'm willing to accept they're entirely unrelated. Not with the Irish/English earthquakes though
I think it's certainly possible that diseases CAN be engineered by drug companies... they ARE in it for the profit and look at the power those big American drug companies can even have over the government and some high up government officials even have massive shares in them... so it's entirely possible that all their work isn't for the better good. I don't think I'm the first person to come up with this idea. Perhaps these diseases aren't even leaked on purpose but accidents happen.
I'm intrigued by the possibility of a prehistoric nuclear war... I don't believe it either but I only heard of the possibility a couple of days ago.0 -
Heineken Helen wrote: »Well it's POSSIBLE there's a connection... but considering the distance between Norway and Australia it's something that I'M not capable of trying to figure out... so I'm willing to accept they're entirely unrelated. Not with the Irish/English earthquakes though
I think it's certainly possible that diseases CAN be engineered by drug companies... they ARE in it for the profit and look at the power those big American drug companies can even have over the government and some high up government officials even have massive shares in them... so it's entirely possible that all their work isn't for the better good. I don't think I'm the first person to come up with this idea. Perhaps these diseases aren't even leaked on purpose but accidents happen.
I'm intrigued by the possibility of a prehistoric nuclear war... I don't believe it either but I only heard of the possibility a couple of days ago.
Can, could, might. If wishes were cash an all that.0 -
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Okay what I'm trying to say here is I don't think an interesting/scary story is automatically equal to a conspiracy theory. We can fantasise about anything we like, really anything at all. But to take this idea and make it a conspiracy theory you need to be able to spell out in some logical way why it is a conspiracy theory. Picking events and saying there's something you find odd about them and not being necessarily able to say why you think it's odd won't make it a conspiracy theory. Also showing a serious lack of understanding of some topics and still saying they're suspicious even when it's explained to you doesn't help. I got some flack for this already but here is a creative writing forum if you just want to make up stories and there is a CT forum if you want to spell out the CT.
Since when do conspiracy theories require proof in order to BE a conspiracy theory? :rolleyes: if they have proof, it's the truth. If you like, I could find a link to ANOTHER conspiracy theorist and their opinion on the same matter... somebody you'll just dismiss as being crazy straight away. Is that what constitutes truth?
These aren't fantasies. These are things that I, and some other people, are suspicious of. Doesn't mean there's a grain of truth to them but, if something doesn't seem right, it's worth looking into. I thought by posting them here others might be interested or post other interesting things that are worth looking into. So far many people have got the gist of it... and I'm going to stop explaining what I was aiming for cos it's ruining the thread 0 -
Heineken Helen wrote: »Since when do conspiracy theories require proof in order to BE a conspiracy theory? :rolleyes: if they have proof, it's the truth. If you like, I could find a link to ANOTHER conspiracy theorist and their opinion on the same matter... somebody you'll just dismiss as being crazy straight away. Is that what constitutes truth?
These aren't fantasies. These are things that I, and some other people, are suspicious of. Doesn't mean there's a grain of truth to them but, if something doesn't seem right, it's worth looking into. I thought by posting them here others might be interested or post other interesting things that are worth looking into. So far many people have got the gist of it... and I'm going to stop explaining what I was aiming for cos it's ruining the thread
Strange I didn't think I'd used the word proof in my last post at all. Maybe you can show me where I said that?0 -
Strange I didn't think I'd used the word proof in my last post at all. Maybe you can show me where I said that?
Sorry, I'm just so used to seeing it in your posts, I just assumed it was there but well done.
In fairness, you asked for logic... I've used logic as far as I'm concerned. Does something have to be considered logical by YOU in order for it to qualify as logic? We're both looking at stuff from different points of view... what's logic to you may be far from it to me.0 -
Meglome wrote:But what's you're saying has basically zero evidence.
As I said earlier, there is some evidence relating to radiation in ice caps- I can't find the link but I'm working on it. It's quite thin evidence, but with a gulf on the scale we're talking about here, it would be.
To be honest though, this isn't really a conspiracy theory. Where's the conspiracy?Heineken Helen wrote:Since when do conspiracy theories require proof in order to BE a conspiracy theory?
if they have proof, it's the truth.
I think evidence is more what we're looking for.0 -
Heineken Helen wrote: »Sorry, I'm just so used to seeing it in your posts, I just assumed it was there but well done.
In fairness, you asked for logic... I've used logic as far as I'm concerned. Does something have to be considered logical by YOU in order for it to qualify as logic? We're both looking at stuff from different points of view... what's logic to you may be far from it to me.
No problem and you're right I'd usually be looking for proof.
All I'm personally looking for here is a bit of logic and some idea of why exactly it's a CT in the first place. Even if you don't have real proof hopefully the CT will make some sense.0 -
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