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Photo to be needed to collect welfare

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  • #102
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Birth certs aren't exactly a proof of who you are.
    And proof of address can be got by going through green bins or illegal dumps :(

    Passports are a little harder to get

    100 % true.

    ...not forgetting though that passports are issued based on the prior birth cert, photo signed id, etc anyway - so to a certain extent a passport is only as valid and good as the information that helped you obtain it?


  • #103
    Heineken Helen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Heineken Helen


    Biggins wrote: »
    100 % true.

    ...not forgetting though that passports are issued based on the prior birth cert, photo signed id, etc anyway - so to a certain extent a passport is only as valid and good as the information that helped you obtain it?

    Yep, I come from a small town so I'd have a bit more faith in the system there cos the guards DO know everybody... but I really don't know how it works in Dublin

    I suppose since certain people are considered more honest members of society than others... ie. doctors, nurses, lawyers (lol), priests, nuns, etc. that there should be something whereby, if the guards don't know who you are and won't sign for you (they shouldn't really if they don't know you) that you can bring one of them with you to verify who you are or something.

    Thing is though, in order to sign on in the first place, I guess you really have to prove you are who you are (I'd to bring plenty of stuff with me, including ID obviously) so I don't see how anyone could have signed on WITHOUT some form of ID in the first place now that I think of it :o so really everyone on the dole should ALREADY have ID.


  • #104
    Hagar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    Heineken Helen wrote: »
    I don't see how anyone could have signed on WITHOUT some form of ID in the first place now that I think of it :o so really everyone on the dole should ALREADY have ID.
    But isn't to the idea to make sure that the person collecting the cash is really the person who signed on in the first place?


  • #105
    Heineken Helen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Heineken Helen


    Hagar wrote: »
    But isn't to the idea to make sure that the person collecting the cash is really the person who signed on in the first place?

    Yep, but what I'm saying is... ya know when ya sign on first ya need to give them a million things to prove it's you and that you need the money? Well I can't see how anyone could sign on without ID in the first place... therefore everyone on the dole should already have some form of photo ID... so no need for talk of national ID cards :)


  • #106
    nobodythere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭nobodythere


    Can someone explain to me how having identification proves you're resident in this country.

    You should have to sign on weekly instead of monthly and not get it into your bank account, otherwise its well worth your while to fly over and back to get your dole


  • #107
    Oracle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,630 ✭✭✭Oracle


    I wonder is this measure really about the introduction of a national ID card? Is it the thin end of the wedge? The logic goes something like this...

    1) Everyone will agree that photo ID is a good idea for collecting social welfare.
    2) But complaints will be made that not everyone has photo ID.. leading to....
    3) Those who haven't got any photo ID being supplied photo ID by the Dept of Social Welfare (already been called for by one welfare rights group) .. leading to...
    4) Everyone choosing to have or is required to have a Dept of Social Welfare supplied ID to get a PPSN, welfare, prove identity, age etc.... (ie. the existing PPSN card is modified to include a photo)
    5) The newly modified PPSN card with photo is effectively a national ID card.


  • #108
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    grasshopa wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me how having identification proves you're resident in this country.
    It doesn't. This measure was to stop people living abroad permanently and having someone else sign on for them


  • #109
    Heineken Helen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Heineken Helen


    grasshopa wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me how having identification proves you're resident in this country.

    You should have to sign on weekly instead of monthly and not get it into your bank account, otherwise its well worth your while to fly over and back to get your dole

    It's about COLLECTING welfare... you have to collect it every week so now you have to show photo ID in order to collect it.

    And it's not only the foreign kinda fraud they're trying to prevent. Some people may actually be working and getting other people to collect it FOR them... while they only have to take off one day a month to sign on.


  • #110
    Borzoi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭Borzoi


    Heineken Helen wrote: »
    It's about COLLECTING welfare... you have to collect it every week so now you have to show photo ID in order to collect it.

    The P.O. is still not even looking at the signatures on the payment slips and comparing them to the PRSI Card, so it comes as no surprise that they still don't ask for photo ID


  • #111
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Hagar wrote: »
    But isn't to the idea to make sure that the person collecting the cash is really the person who signed on in the first place?
    maybe it could be like the system in heathrow where you get photographed at the gate,

    this is to prevent people impersonating someone else
    the other part is to have evidence that can be used if need be


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