SUPER TUESDAY! Budget discussion thread MERGED

banquo

Booze will stay the same.

AnonoBoy

banquo wrote: »

Booze will stay the same.

Delicious and comforting.

Mosquito09

Hi,

Just looking for a bit of help here if possible, bit confused.

They say there halfing dole payments for people under 20.My situation is this, I only applied for Jobseekers Allowance last week and I'm currently 19 but Im 20 next month. I take it for the next 4 weeks my backed up payment will be 100 euro a week and then once I hit 20 it'll be 200 a week and then once I collect my payment every week it will be 200 as Ill be 20 by then?


If that is correct Im a bit lucky as I would have expected them to say under 21s. Still a little nervous and confused so hopefully the above situation is correct. Any help greatly appreciated.

Mosquito09

Mosquito09 wrote: »

Hi,

Just looking for a bit of help here if possible, bit confused.

They say there halfing dole payments for people under 20.My situation is this, I only applied for Jobseekers Allowance last week and I'm currently 19 but Im 20 next month. I take it for the next 4 weeks my backed up payment will be 100 euro a week and then once I hit 20 it'll be 200 a week and then once I collect my payment every week it will be 200 as Ill be 20 by then?


If that is correct Im a bit lucky as I would have expected them to say under 21s. Still a little nervous and confused so hopefully the above situation is correct. Any help greatly appreciated.

No, the dole is set from what you sign on at meaning you'll be at the half rate..

Tough break.

Mosquito09

You serious mate? Even though I havent even been told Im getting it, just handed in an application?

ben bedlam

I think the government are doing a very good job while being under some very intense and unfair pressure from certain areas. We all must bear some responsibility for the financial crisis, and I think the government are showing great leadership and determination in todays budget. I think if we just place some faith in Brian Cowen and his esteemed cabinet, we will see a quick end to this recession that we have all helped cause. 10/10 budjet from me.

Tar.Aldarion

Good budget.

Eoin

ben bedlam wrote: »

I think the government are doing a very good job while being under some very intense and unfair pressure from certain areas. We all must bear some responsibility for the financial crisis, and I think the government are showing great leadership and determination in todays budget. I think if we just place some faith in Brian Cowen and his esteemed cabinet, we will see a quick end to this recession that we have all helped cause. 10/10 budjet from me.

You forgot the smileys so we knew you were having a laugh.

thebman

Mosquito09 wrote: »

You serious mate? Even though I havent even been told Im getting it, just handed in an application?

Ring social welfare. I'm sure there is a way to get reassessed for changed circumstances from when you first signed on.

Sean Quagmire

No, not a good budget. It was softened to save there seats. We will be back in the same mess within six months.

Just dragging it out even more now, unreal.

engrish?

Is VAT being reduced???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????//

dr.bollocko

engrish? wrote: »

Is VAT being reduced???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????//

Nope.

Is Dole being halved for under 20s isn't actually a bad idea.

The thing that annoys me, is when the country is up and running again and everything is hunky dorey, not one of these changes will be undone.

Scruff

Great to hear all the Health and Public Service reforms that will save us billions. Fair play to FF and their leadership.

or did i just have a sci-fi alternative reality moment...sigh..

asdasd

Great to hear all the Health and Public Service reforms that will save us billions. Fair play to FF and their leadership.

Simple Public Sector reforms would include working a 39 hour week, reducing the time in lieu shenanighans, and looking at expenses.

I have heard stories about expenses which would make yer had boil.

banquo

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Good budget.

+1

Not everyone needs the child benefit, means testing saves money. If you need it you'll get it; if you're on e75,000* - and a lot of people make upwards of that - then you just don't need it.

Of course, we'll have to see just how means-tested it is...

Tax: an extra 7e a month for those on min wage doesn't break the bank.

Mosquito09

thebman wrote: »

Ring social welfare. I'm sure there is a way to get reassessed for changed circumstances from when you first signed on.

Will do that tomorrow mate, although I have no idea what I'm going to say.

Does this all come into affect on May 1st? If so would be becoming 20 on that date help me in any way?

thebman

engrish? wrote: »

Is VAT being reduced???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????//

That is a massive mistake on their part not reducing vat.

They even said themselves it was a mistake to increase it.

Ridiculous decision.

RonMexico

Anything about college fee's? Can't believe the dole hasn't been cut.

taibhse

banquo wrote: »

+1

Not everyone needs the child benefit, means testing saves money. If you need it you'll get it; if you're on e75,000* - and a lot of people make upwards of that - then you just don't need it.

Of course, we'll have to see just how means-tested it is...

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correct me if I'm wrong but don't you have to apply for childrens allowance rather than its just handed to you. So I very much doubt you'll find people earning 75,000 going into their local social welfare office to apply for it. Its there for the people that need it and this is just another case of FF going after the weak in society.

What about the top earners? I'm sure they can afford to pay more than 3%

What about the Irish tax exiles? Is there not a way to close off loopholes to allow them to do this?

Heisenberg.

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thebman

RonMexico wrote: »

Anything about college fee's? Can't believe the dole hasn't been cut.

No college fees, rent supplement is being reduced (no figures on amount so could be heavily reduce). Dole halved for under 20's and Xmas bonus gone.

I think welfare was cut a fair bit actually depending on how hard they hit rent supplement.

Mosquito09 wrote: »

Will do that tomorrow mate, although I have no idea what I'm going to say.

Does this all come into affect on May 1st? If so would be becoming 20 on that date help me in any way?

Don't know, I don't think welfare will have any answers tomorrow. They might only find out on the day they come into effect.

You can ring them and check do they know anything or ask when they think they'll find out.

galah

seriously - this budget isn't as shocking as they all made it out to be.
A lot of panic for nothing, in my eyes. It could have been A LOT worse.

Mosquito09

Mosquito09 wrote: »

Will do that tomorrow mate, although I have no idea what I'm going to say.

Does this all come into affect on May 1st? If so would be becoming 20 on that date help me in any way?

man i was only jokin bout the dole thing :P when you're 20 , you'll get full dole

Blazer

galah wrote: »

seriously - this budget isn't as shocking as they all made it out to be.
A lot of panic for nothing, in my eyes. It could have been A LOT worse.

Oh don't worry.
If this one didn't shock you the one in Dec and 2011/2012 will.
Basically they've bottled it in this budget to safeguard their seats in the next election.
Ask any economist and they will all say the exact same thing.

Hobbes

galah wrote: »

seriously - this budget isn't as shocking as they all made it out to be. A lot of panic for nothing, in my eyes. It could have been A LOT worse.

I don't know about you but the Budget is a serious dent for me and I am not even considered "Rich" by the budget standards.

galah

I won't deny that or even argue - but this budget seems rather tame to me in the light of all the hype that preceded it...

we're definitely not affected badly - middle income, no kids, no mortgage, non-smokers...

Redpunto

Taking into account the pay cut Im taking from next month and including the 2 levy and the loss of the ECP its hitting me f*ckin hard and god knows what way they intend to means test the child benefit.

MayoForSam

Total cop-out by the government, they are trying to minimise the damage at the next general election but the electorate (hopefully!) will see this budget as a missed opportunity (another one).

We were ready to accept more pain (even the public servants?) but no go - I do not expect a good reaction from overseas / the IMF.

Of course it will be interesting to see if FG get in will they have the stomach to do the required hatchet job as regards public spending? Their job will just get tougher and tougher the longer this present crowd remains in power. I'm not a FG-supporter per se but jaysus we need some fresh ideas pronto or we are totally screwed!

I am doubly pi**ed off as I am a middle income earner in the private sector with kids so I will be feeling the pain but not so for a lot of others who have done very well for themselves the last few years.

Mosquito09

Deleted User wrote: »

man i was only jokin bout the dole thing :P when you're 20 , you'll get full dole

Not sure if your joking now or not!!

If you were actually joking before then in the words of Henry Hill:

'Why would you do that!!??'

We needed a harsher budget!

sunnyside

Redpunto wrote: »

the loss of the ECP its hitting me f*ckin hard and god knows what way they intend to means test the child benefit.

If someone chooses to have children why can't they pay for them themselves I don't see why the taxpayer should have to pay for everything. People who need the childrens allowance will still get it.

Ulysses Gaze

Total cop-out by the government, they are trying to minimise the damage at the next general election but the electorate (hopefully!) will see this budget as a missed opportunity (another one).

Not even that far. It's a cop-out by FF to try and salvage total melt-down at the Local elections. If they did what they HAD to do today, they would have been savaged at the locals.

The next budget will be a lot, lot worse......

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

No, not a good budget. It was softened to save there seats. We will be back in the same mess within six months.

Just dragging it out even more now, unreal.

Well, it was a good strategy on their part, but I doubt they will save many seats... They are on the way out, and good riddance to them. If they are more worried about their own seats in government than our country, then fcuk the lot of them. Why not give a tougher budget and save the country? Instead of this rubbish... Then fcuk us over in 8 months time? Hell no...

banquo wrote: »

+1

Not everyone needs the child benefit, means testing saves money. If you need it you'll get it; if you're on e75,000* - and a lot of people make upwards of that - then you just don't need it.

Of course, we'll have to see just how means-tested it is...

Tax: an extra 7e a month for those on min wage doesn't break the bank.

You are right, 7 euro a month won't break the bank, but someone on 220K a year only loses about 10-12K? Should be higher than that.

Not everyone under 20 on social welfare has mammy and daddy to look after them, once struggling on 200 a week, how the hell can anyone survive on 100 a week? They cannot, you will see more people living on the streets, I can guarantee you that.

Hobbes wrote: »

I don't know about you but the Budget is a serious dent for me and I am not even considered "Rich" by the budget standards.

Exactly, people with not so much money are really getting screwed over. Middle wage bracket families really got a kick in the nuts. I never understood how someone making so much money could get away with it.

Oh and what about those in power? You will see that they will enjoy their life just the same as last week. All ministers should take a 15-20% pay cut, no bonuses for the next 2 years and make serious cuts in state expenditure, you know, the helicopter rides and what not...

galah wrote: »

I won't deny that or even argue - but this budget seems rather tame to me in the light of all the hype that preceded it...

we're definitely not affected badly - middle income, no kids, no mortgage, non-smokers...

A lot of people escaped the budget, people on social welfare could have taken a cut. If only 20 euro.

There are some things I disagree with. 2% levy on 17K? My good God, that is a dismal amount to live on, and they get penalised...

Ulysses Gaze

Why not give a tougher budget and save the country? Instead of this rubbish... Then fcuk us over in 8 months time? Hell no...

FF's raison-d'etre is to stay in power........It's party over country.....

Heroditas

Byron Limited Dashboard wrote: »

You are right, 7 euro a month won't break the bank, but someone on 220K a year only loses about 10-12K? Should be higher than that.

Ah here, that loss of 10-12k is in addition to what they are already paying.
If their take home pay is €140,000 p.a., it amounts to about a 9% reduction in their take home pay. That's quite a chunk and a reduction in living standards.
I think if they had pushed for more, they would be gone within a month. They'll target these higher earners again in December.

Hobbes

sunnyside wrote: »

If someone chooses to have children why can't they pay for them themselves

Most people with Children are also taxpayers. So you basically getting some of your money you put in back. Also it is the children in the future who will be funding the social to pay for your pension.

ART6

ben bedlam wrote: »

I think the government are doing a very good job while being under some very intense and unfair pressure from certain areas. We all must bear some responsibility for the financial crisis, and I think the government are showing great leadership and determination in todays budget. I think if we just place some faith in Brian Cowen and his esteemed cabinet, we will see a quick end to this recession that we have all helped cause. 10/10 budjet from me.

galah wrote: »

seriously - this budget isn't as shocking as they all made it out to be.
A lot of panic for nothing, in my eyes. It could have been A LOT worse.

An excellent budget indeed. I am no expert on economics and I don't consider myself qualified to say how a government should run a country. I'm am just a director of a small company. But there are a few points that I am inclined to make.

I see nothing in the cuts in public expenditure that abolishes the vast range of quangos.

The tax on diesel fuel is to rise. I seem to recall that most HGVs have diesel engines (or has Gormley had them all converted to wind power?). That will surely please the haulage industry and increase prices in the shops since (I assure you Mr. Lenihan) their stocks are normally delivered by lorries.

The tax on tobacco products is increased to pursuade everyone to go across national borders to buy them, as the UK government found out long, long ago.

DIRT tax is to be increased (what an apt name) to dissuade anyone from investing in savings accounts.

Columnists and economists have repeatedly said of late in the wind up to this budget that no country in history ever climbed out of recession by increasing taxes. Our lawyer finance minister knows better than that of course, and so I have to believe he is right when everyone else is going in the opposite direction.

The government is to be reduced by twenty juniour ministers, fifteen of whom will be re-employed tomorrow. This is hailed as a political masterstroke by Brian Cowen. Or is it possibly an insult to the intelligence of the average fourteen year old? To my simple mind it's like the endless ads that tell me the price of every product I might buy ends in €0.99.

Any strategy that reduces or appears to reduce the spending power of the population will result in a lower tax take for the government. If you take money out of Joe Public's pocket Mr. Lenihan, while it might come as a surprise to you, he will spend less of it on something else. In that case you can increase VAT and everything else to your heart's content,but you will receive no extra revenue.

Darragh29

Lovely jovely, so I'm still paying for yummy mummy's kids when she has the 100K Range Rover to drop them off to school every morning, that should have been cut for a start...

Talk about a f*cking cop out, they may as well not have had a budget at all.

Redpunto

sunnyside wrote: »

If someone chooses to have children why can't they pay for them themselves I don't see why the taxpayer should have to pay for everything. People who need the childrens allowance will still get it.

it'll be those children who will be paying for your pension so you want to treat them well so they have enough food, shelter and education.

sunnyside

Hobbes wrote: »

Most people with Children are also taxpayers.

Are they? I'm not so sure if that's true or not.

Redpunto wrote: »

it'll be those children who will be paying for your pension so you want to treat them well so they have enough food, shelter and education.

I didn't mean that I want the children to go hungry:oJust that people should consider if they can afford them or not before having children. Some people put more consideration into the purchase of a new car than the decision to have children.

handsomecake

i drive a 2litre petrol car.i am therefore a little relieved.


can anyone explain why he upped diesel and didnt up petrol.
i dont understand the rationale??im surely missing something.

whats the difference between someone driving a golf gti and a golf tdi.why should one pay more??

shamblertine

Such a bottle job in relation to welfare. Its the reason why Ireland is such a laughing stock at the minute. Our dole is more than 4 TIMES higher than that which you would get in the UK. They also don't have any rent assistence either. Also it'll mean more low paid people will decide to quit their jobs and go on the dole, and foreign nationals will continue to fly in for the day to pick up dole.

WillieDH

Its time for revolution

Jip

handsomecake wrote: »

i drive a 2litre petrol car.i am therefore a little relieved.


can anyone explain why he upped diesel and didnt up petrol.
i dont understand the rationale??im surely missing something.

whats the difference between someone driving a golf gti and a golf tdi.why should one pay more??

Because it will bring the price up to the point where people will head up north for their petrol. At the moment there's not much of a difference in petrol prices but there's enough space to play around with diesel.

K-9

handsomecake wrote: »

i drive a 2litre petrol car.i am therefore a little relieved.


can anyone explain why he upped diesel and didnt up petrol.
i dont understand the rationale??im surely missing something.

whats the difference between someone driving a golf gti and a golf tdi.why should one pay more??

They hit petrol in the last one. We're all in this together and whatever other FF cliche you can think of!

thebman

shamblertine wrote: »

Such a bottle job in relation to welfare. Its the reason why Ireland is such a laughing stock at the minute. Our dole is more than 4 TIMES higher than that which you would get in the UK. They also don't have any rent assistence either. Also it'll mean more low paid people will decide to quit their jobs and go on the dole, and foreign nationals will continue to fly in for the day to pick up dole.

There are people in the UK going hungry on their welfare and they are talking about increasing it because the cost of living is going up there because they are printing money and imports are more expensive now.

I'm sure if they don't have a rent allowance that most of the people on their welfare are in council estates of some kind. I doubt you've given the whole picture.

ART6

Redpunto wrote: »

it'll be those children who will be paying for your pension so you want to treat them well so they have enough food, shelter and education.

And they will be choosing your nursing home;)

JP Liz

So when is next budget i'm looking forward to it already

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Heroditas wrote: »

Ah here, that loss of 10-12k is in addition to what they are already paying.
If their take home pay is €140,000 p.a., it amounts to about a 9% reduction in their take home pay. That's quite a chunk and a reduction in living standards.
I think if they had pushed for more, they would be gone within a month. They'll target these higher earners again in December.

People are now forced to live on 5K a year... 140K is still a colosol amount to make. No matter how much they are cut by.

Jip wrote: »

Because it will bring the price up to the point where people will head up north for their petrol. At the moment there's not much of a difference in petrol prices but there's enough space to play around with diesel.

What? Who the hell is going to drive to the north for petrol? That will only effect those living within a reasonable distance from the border...