Liverpool - Chelsea...Round 9.....FIGHT!!!

missingtime

Are they explaining the zonal marking on the panel yet?

Daemos

Fair result considering how the match went.

Chelsea thoroughly deserved the win. The Liverpool defence was static. Defence of the corners was dismal, and Skrtel imparticular always seemed a step behind the pace of the match.

I said earlier that whoever wins this match will go through, and I don't think that there will be a different outcome.

We might get a 1-0 at Stamford Bridge, but certainly not enough to qualify. Barcelona vs. Chelsea should be a cracker.

Still, at least now we can concentrate on the league

LuckyLloyd

Villain wrote: »

Skrtel isn't strong enough in the air, if Drogba wasn't fit I would agree with you but Hypia would have been much more dominant in the air imo

Meh, if you are going to boil it down to such simplistic differences between them then the obvious counter is that you couldn't start Sammi because his lack of pace would be destroyed.

Our two best center halves started tonight. One of them performed poorly, and his opposite number had a huge game. It happens.

Fenix

Great stuff from Chelsea, Essien is an animal, what i would give for one of him at utd... Really deserved thier win, anfield didnt detere them at all, fair play, thats the best ive seem them all season by a mile...

Bit of pressure on Liverpool now, in recent years utd were able to bounce back domestically after a poor result on the continent, Liverpool will have to do the same if they wanna be there at end game!

Super-Rush

Sami got his champs league place back when Keane was sold. It was a bad night, every team has one. No one played good tonight.

CHD

dfx- wrote: »

Liverpool 1-3 Chelsea

Lampard and Kalou (or someone else similarly as rubbish) to catch Liverpool cold

Well Played Sir.

_blank_

lol, analysis of Zonal Defence coming up

this'll be good

K-9

Headshot wrote: »

like some liverpool fans did yesterday


bloody Eamo has probly lost his bet


delighted

Yep, its been condemned on the Liverpool thread!

yayamark wrote: »

Very True. Chelsea could have scored 6. Liverpool did try though a good game.

Well Done Chelsea a deserved win, congrats from a disappointed and surprised pool fan.

Lucas was poor as usual. Skertl, fabio and riera were poor for a change.

Have to agree, Chelsea superb, Drogba back to his old self.

We badly missed Mascherano.

Stekelly wrote: »

Just as well it only takes 90 minutes to decide on whole careers.

Indeed.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

By the way, saying Hyppia should have started is the worst type of results based analysis. Skrtel has been great all season, and we haven't conceded a goal because of poor marking in weeks. And overall, our defensive performances since the Boro game has been excellent. There was no good reason to start Sammi tonight. We made two mistakes and were punished for it. It happens, but that doesn't invalidate the team selection.

Come on now.

I really don't think Hyppia would have been any better. He'd have been caught for pace.

missingtime

Des wrote: »

lol, analysis of Zonal Defence coming up

this'll be good

"They mark the space and not the man" John says dissaprovingly

Soby

Not bad for a team with no history:)

whatawaster

missingtime wrote: »

"They mark the space and not the man" John says dissaprovingly

in my day . . .

redout

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

What about goals from corners when the defending team doesn't use zonal marking? Does it mean that no marking works???

We're through the looking glass imo :rolleyes:

Look brother. RTE, SKY and the bloody BBC are all barking on about it. I couldnt give a toss anyway. Pool are most likely out of the competition. RTE just said only one team has ever game back from this deficit in the history of the competition at this stage. No way in hell I can see them beating Chelsea by three at the bridge. There best hope is to win by two and play for penalties.

Villain

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Meh, if you are going to boil it down to such simplistic differences between them then the obvious counter is that you couldn't start Sammi because his lack of pace would be destroyed.

Our two best center halves started tonight. One of them performed poorly, and his opposite number had a huge game. It happens.

IMO you pick a defence to counter-act the oppostion and yes Hypia's pace would be an issue if Anelka started and Chelsea tried to play the ball behind the defence but with Drogba playing expierence and ability in the air is more important than pace.

Also Lucas is shocking, Gerrard back into midfield and actually starting Yossi might have been better imo.

BTW thats all it is my opinion and yess I have the luxury of giving mine after seeing the match from my armchair, but its still an opinion:D

Super-Rush

K-9 wrote: »

We badly missed Mascherano.

Yes we did, big time lets hope they will miss terry as much next week. We need to put this behind us and concentrate on saturday because if we mess than one up the its game over.

evil_seed

^^^^
if we win by 2 we're out

Davei141

Well done Chelsea awesome display today.

ShooterSF

Great result for Chelsea. Not sure how I feel about it logically or emotionally. Do I wan't the pool having sole focus on the prem? Will it demoralise them though? Do I want them to have no chance to win the CL? Do I want Terry to nerver get his hands on (Yes very much ).

To most pool fan's hard luck. Neither team (United or Pool) had a great week so far.

But to highsider can I just say (from the bottom of my heart)

LuckyLloyd

redout wrote: »

Look brother. RTE, SKY and the bloody BBC are all barking on about it. I couldnt give a toss anyway. Pool are most likely out of the competition. RTE just said only one team has ever game back from this deficit in the history of the competition at this stage. No way in hell I can see them beating Chelsea by three at the bridge. There best hope is to win by two and play for penalties.

Well then there absolutely must be something in it!! Goals get scored from corners and setpieces - whether they are facing zonal or man marking.

The story isn't that Liverpool have been applying any type of scheme, it's that they are executing poorly. Failing to be switched on and attack the ball. That's all.

The whole hullabaloo about it is just another overblown myth that the media and ill informed masses run with. Like the one over Benitez and rotation...:rolleyes:

K-9

Ball watching never works, zonal or man to man marking!

PS. What's Liverpools defensive record in the Premiership or CL?

Dave!

Bill: "Now let's see the first goal, John will demonstrate"
John: "Now there's--there's--there's the ball coming across... *goal scored, replay starts again* Okay hold it there."

Highsider

Hats off to Chelsea. Absolutely awesome tonight. They made us look like chumps.:(

Oh dear

No excuses.

Fair play Chelsea.

2 things ;

- Essien was sick. Man of the match without a shadow of a doubt and stopped Stevie from playing.

- Zonal marking doesn't ****ing work. Look at how many SILLY goals we've conceeded because of it in the league, FA cup and now Europe.

Anyway was a good game to watch apart from the score

DeadSkin

Zonal marking has been working fine during the season, Chelsea were successful tonight in exploiting it.

Chelsea didn't score against us in the league.

Highsider

ShooterSF wrote: »

Great result for Chelsea. Not sure how I feel about it logically or emotionally. Do I wan't the pool having sole focus on the prem? Will it demoralise them though? Do I want them to have no chance to win the CL? Do I want Terry to nerver get his hands on (Yes very much ).

To most pool fan's hard luck. Neither team (United or Pool) had a great week so far.

But to highsider can I just say (from the bottom of my heart)

No problem man right back at ya:p

Spud83

evil_seed wrote: »

^^^^
if we win by 2 we're out

Not if you win 3-1 or 4-2 or 5-3 or well you see where this going.

Guy:Incognito

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

well you see where this going.

7-5?:)

LuckyLloyd

K-9 wrote: »

Ball watching never works, zonal or man to man marking!

PS. What's Liverpools defensive record in the Premiership or CL?

Defensive record is good. Note all the games we didn't concede goals from setpieces in while running zonal marking...!

redout

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well then there absolutely must be something in it!! Goals get scored from corners and setpieces - whether they are facing zonal or man marking.

The story isn't that Liverpool have been applying any type of scheme, it's that they are executing poorly. Failing to be switched on and attack the ball. That's all.

The whole hullabaloo about it is just another overblown myth that the media and ill informed masses run with. Like the one over Benitez and rotation...:rolleyes:

Giles is just at to explaining it brilliantly there. Zonal marking your marking a space and that space has never scored a goal ! They just walked through the two goals there and explained it. Its a flawed system. Just admit it and of Course there is something in it otherwise all 3 broadcasters wouldnt be barking on about it :rolleyes:

mada999

have to say fair play to Chelsea they worked their asses off and got a great result.

+ Essien man marked Gerrard out of the game

+ 5 man chelsea midfield bossed us out of it

+ pressed us at every opportunity

+ we were not Zonal marking for the second goal

+ off side for the 3rd goal

not impressed by the result but i hope we bounce back on sat....

Vanbis

Fantastic game and Chelsea probably deserved the result in the end. The best i've seeing them play this season by far. Lucas was non existent in midfield tonight and offered nothing going forward, Javier Mascherano was a massive miss tonight for Liverpool. I can't see Liverpool going to stamford bridge and scoring 3 goals but i would have said the same about them going to old trafford and scoring 4 but still going to be equally tough. If Kuty had scored just after Chelsea got the equaliser then we'd all be discussing a different result i believe.

I thought Gerrard was very poor second half as was Torres

ImJohn

Sickening result, the tie is over now I'm afraid . Mascherano was missed big time in midfield. Aurelio had a shocking game tonight, it looked like he was off the pace and tired (even though he was rested in the previous game). Once again defending set peices in the big games have hurt us, maybe we should change to man marking in the big games becuase thats where we are leaking goals. Everytime we are playing chelsea, everton or manc my heart beats 3x faster when we concede a corner or a freekick. O well, at least we can concentrate on the premier league now.

tok9

ah that was very disappointing now.. Brilliant performance from chelsea.

The left side of liverpool was very poor tonight...

None of the subs worked really. Babel and dossena were very poor when they came on.

i thought lucas was ok but i know masch would have been excellent..

To score 3 goals at the bridge is going to be extremely tough considering we can't concede. It's still possible but very unlikely.
Well done chelsea..

Guy:Incognito

mada999 wrote: »

+ off side for the 3rd goal

Whos in the what now?

LuckyLloyd

redout wrote: »

Giles is just at to explaining it brilliantly there. Zonal marking your marking a space and that space has never scored a goal ! They just walked through the two goals there and explained it. Its a flawed system. Just admit it and of Course there is something in it otherwise all 3 broadcasters wouldnt be barking on about it :rolleyes:

No, I won't. There is nothing to admit. Again, what happened with all of those corners and setpieces we didn't concede from this season - all those games where the opposition didn't profit from them? See, zonal marking does work. Just admit it. Brother.

mike65

K-9 wrote: »

PS. What's Liverpools defensive record in the Premiership or CL?

21 goals in Prem and 8 in CL as of tonight

LuckyLloyd

mike65 wrote: »

21 goals in Prem and 8 in CL as of tonight

Not too shabby imo.

Masch was such a big loss...........

K-9

NOBODY took responsibility and left it to others for the 2 goals. That happens, even with man to man marking.

How many teams is Eamo going to tip this year. Is that 4/5? He's a bit of a zonal defender himself!

Spud83

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Not too shabby imo.

2nd best in the league off the top of it head. Dunno bout CL

redout

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

No, I won't. There is nothing to admit. Again, what happened with all of those corners and setpieces we didn't concede from this season - all those games where the opposition didn't profit from them? See, zonal marking does work. Just admit it. Brother.

Ignorance is bliss brother. It just most likely knocked you out of the tournament.

K-9

mike65 wrote: »

21 goals in Prem and 8 in CL as of tonight

Cheers. That is that one zonally defended then.

dfx-

CHD wrote: »

Well Played Sir.

:cool: /

Sticking out a mile.

LuckyLloyd

redout wrote: »

Ignorance is bliss brother. It just most likely knocked you out of the tournament.

Expect me to make a post every time a team concedes a goal from a setpiece while marking man to man between now and the end of the season. Significantly postcount + imo.

Headshot

man is a legend

best DM is the world

Villain

Ok I get Zonal marking works against many teams but surely if you are playing against a team that this especially strong in the air you adjust to defend against that team.

Why is it he can't alter it for some games? Its not as if the players won't be able to adapt to man marking for a one off game?

keane2097

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Expect me to make a post every time a team concedes a goal from a setpiece while marking man to man between now and the end of the season. Significantly postcount + imo.

Yeah that's the thing, every time a team besides Liverpool concede a goal from a set piece why don't you hear "oh the fúcking man marking system is shít" - it's nonsense.

Liverpool have conceded less goals from corners than most teams this year I'd wager.

ImJohn

The thing is we are conceding goals from set pieces in nearly all of our big games

mada999

Stekelly wrote: »

Whos in the what now?

looked off-side to me from the aerial view

keane2097

Villain wrote: »

Ok I get Zonal marking works against many teams but surely if you are playing against a team that this especially strong in the air you adjust to defend against that team.

Why is it he can't alter it for some games? Its not as if the players won't be able to adapt to man marking for a one off game?

But what's to say they'd be easier to defend against by man-marking? I'm sure Benitez is clever enough to know whether or not that's the case tbh...

DeadSkin

Villain wrote: »

Ok I get Zonal marking works against many teams but surely if you are playing against a team that this especially strong in the air you adjust to defend against that team.

Why is it he can't alter it for some games? Its not as if the players won't be able to adapt to man marking for a one off game?

He's doin' it to piss off Ronnie Whelan :pac: