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    #32
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Lenihan said 25% I think he meant 25 cent. He's not that thick I hope.


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    #33
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,500 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    mandandpeter wrote: »
    well when we rewound it on RTE with Sky+ it did say 25% but i am sure it will eventually get sorted out and the correct figure will be known.


    Just looked now!! Now its says 25 cent *cries* my head is spininning!

    He said 25%, his own documentation clearly states 25 C. He misread it, simple as.


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    #34
    seanybiker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    meh thats not to bad. Woo can still smoke


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    #35
    damoz
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭damoz


    If you want to save 100% then stop smoking. Will also save long term medical costs for the state.


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    #36
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,500 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    damoz wrote: »
    If you want to save 100% then stop smoking. Will also save long term medical costs for the state.

    Meh no, revenue will fall in the shortfall making things worse. Woo!


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    #37
    Gaillimh1990
    Closed Accounts Posts: 49 ✭Gaillimh1990


    mandandpeter wrote: »
    well when we rewound it on RTE with Sky+ it did say 25% but i am sure it will eventually get sorted out and the correct figure will be known.


    Just looked now!! Now its says 25 cent *cries* my head is spininning!

    hi guys....


    it sed on rte that he read it wrong it is 25cent instead of 25percent!!!


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    #38
    siobhan.murphy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭siobhan.murphy


    how much 4 them in France?

    com on lads help!Im off there tomorrow!!yeah now shagg off budget!
    I will be quitting when I come back
    *cough*!


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    #39
    robgloster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭robgloster


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    He said 25%, his own documentation clearly states 25 C. He misread it, simple as.

    Sad day when the Minister doesn't know what going on. But lately i suppose that kinda common :(


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    #40
    _feedback_
    Registered Users Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    damoz wrote: »
    If you want to save 100% then stop smoking. Will also save long term medical costs for the state.

    Give it a rest will ya


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    #41
    Oracle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,630 ✭✭✭Oracle


    After watching the Prime Time special on illegal cigarette sales, I'm surprised he put them up at all. Seems like they're available in every country town market and boot sale for a few quid a pack. The customs guy who was interviewed said the courts couldn't cope if they prosecuted everyone involved. So looks like the "dodgy fags from the back of a lorry" racket is not gonna end any time soon. I suppose that could be considered good or bad depending on your point of view.

    Also is there a doublethink going on here. For example, Lenihan says he can't put up alcohol and petrol because of the real fear of people going cross-border to buy them. Yet the item with the potentially biggest savings for consumers when bought cross-border, he feels free to put extra tax on, that seems strange?

    Also his logic does not make sense, who buys petrol up north any more? The savings are almost nil. While alcohol is cheaper there, it's at it's cheapest ever price in supermarkets in the Republic. Plus cigarettes are the most vulnerable of the three to cross-border purchasing; they're light, portable, take up very little space and have a very long shelf life.


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    #42
    TheKat
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭TheKat


    I love that the thread on cigarettes has one of the most replies in the forum already! I wonder did Lenihan misread it on purpose to give smokers a mini heart attack.


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    #43
    damoz
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭damoz


    elviscostello wrote: »
    Give it a rest will ya

    Ok. I'll throw in a tax break on Hypnotherapy. Happy?


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    #44
    Resi12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Resi12


    A friend told me there going up to 10.12..
    We knew about it going up to 10 for a whiole though.

    I really think it'll be 25%


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    #45
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Let's keep this thread about the budget, k? There's a whole forum about quitting smoking.


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    #46
    _feedback_
    Registered Users Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    damoz wrote: »
    Ok. I'll throw in a tax break on Hypnotherapy. Happy?

    Throw in a break from your high horse preaching and I'll be happy.


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    #47
    damoz
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭damoz


    elviscostello wrote: »
    Throw in a break from your high horse preaching and I'll be happy.

    Former smokers are the worst its true.

    Back on topic - its 25c in the budget speech text.


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    #48
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    damoz wrote: »
    If you want to save 100% then stop smoking. Will also save long term medical costs for the state.
    elviscostello wrote: »
    Give it a rest will ya
    damoz is right. Keep living in denial. :rolleyes:


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    #49
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,500 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Resi12 wrote: »
    A friend told me there going up to 10.12..
    We knew about it going up to 10 for a whiole though.

    I really think it'll be 25%

    Well its not - jeezz. Mods, can we have a sticky on the following?

    Financial Statement

    of the

    Minister for Finance

    Mr Brian Lenihan, T.D.

    7 April 2009
    Excise

    From midnight tonight, excises on cigarettes will go up by 25 cent per packet of 20 and on auto-diesel by 5 cent per litre. These excise changes are VAT inclusive. There is no scope for increases in excise duties on alcohol or petrol because of the substantial risk of loss of revenue by the purchase of these items in Northern Ireland.

    Full details of all of these and other taxation measures are contained in the Summary of Budget measures. The total tax and levies measures will raise €1.8 billion in 2009 and over €3.6 billion in a full year.

    The measures I have outlined have necessarily concentrated on income. I am now giving notice that, in 2010 and 2011, I will turn to other areas of taxation to achieve the necessary adjustment in later years.

    Summary of Supplementary Budget Measures - Policy Changes
    Tobacco Excise

    The Excise Duty on a packet of 20 cigarettes will be increased by 25 cent (including VAT) with a pro-rata increase on other tobacco products, with effect from midnight on 7 April 2009.


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    #50
    Resi12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Resi12


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Well its not - jeeze, do we have to repeat this over and over? Mods, can we have a sticky on the following?

    Financial Statement

    of the

    Minister for Finance

    Mr Brian Lenihan, T.D.

    7 April 2009



    Summary of Supplementary Budget Measures - Policy Changes

    Oh well another what they did wrong to add to my list.


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    #51
    tfitzgerald
    Registered Users Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    25 cents that makes 20 rothmans around €8and 30cent i went to barcelona last week with ryan air return for €40 (myself and the wife) we bought some cigs the same brand rothmans are €2.80 for 20 . you have to buy them in the tobacco shops and these are closed on sunday in the duty free at gerona they were €3.36 for 20


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    #52
    Resi12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Resi12


    tfitzgerald wrote: »
    25 cents that makes 20 rothmans around €8and 30cent i went to barcelona last week with ryan air return for €40 (myself and the wife) we bought some cigs the same brand rothmans are €2.80 for 20 . you have to buy them in the tobacco shops and these are closed on sunday in the duty free at gerona they were €3.36 for 20


    €8.30 is still too cheap imo. People complain they have no money yet still willingly buy these horrible things.


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    #53
    The Pontiac
    Registered Users Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    should have put them up by €5 a pack

    Unless you condone criminal activity. It's very funny the people who say put the cigs up by a good few quid. 25% of the cigarette sales in this Country is in the black market, because of the high prices here. What part of this is it that some people cannot understand?

    This Country is in economic turmoil, and people want the smokers to get another hammering. We have a lot more serious things to worry about, believe me. Give it a break..


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    #54
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,500 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Resi12 wrote: »
    €8.30 is still too cheap imo. People complain they have no money yet still willingly buy these horrible things.

    The government dont want to raise them so much that people will go to the black market, that means a loss of revenue.


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    #55
    Resi12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Resi12


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    The government dont want to raise them so much that people will go to the black market, that means a loss of revenue.

    Funnily enough, When they were raised from 6 euro to 8 everyone went foreign to get them but when they were supposedly going up to 10 euro EVERYONE I know said they were giving them up.

    2 of my friends actually have but now that they are only 25c I think they'll slip back to smoking.


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    #56
    beertons
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    The'd make you wonder. If they caught all the people who are bringing in more than one from their holidays, taxed them at the airport, and given them a fine at the same time, they'd have a sizeable chunk in the kitty. Instead, they're letting people bring in thousands, and making it more lucrative for the *sellers* at the markets, (that was highlighted on Prime Time not so long ago.)


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    #57
    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    beertons wrote: »
    The'd make you wonder. If they caught all the people who are bringing in more than one from their holidays, taxed them at the airport, and given them a fine at the same time, they'd have a sizeable chunk in the kitty. Instead, they're letting people bring in thousands, and making it more lucrative for the *sellers* at the markets, (that was highlighted on Prime Time not so long ago.)

    I take from the above you're not a smoker, from most EU countried I can legally bring in approx 800 cigarettes.
    From certain newer EU states it is just 200.

    The difference between 800 in Ireland and 800 in Spain/Italy more than
    pays for a flight with a substantial saving still left.

    And guess how much of the price of the 800 Italian cigs the Irish government will now get - regardless of the 25 cent per packet increase.


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    #58
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,500 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Resi12 wrote: »
    Funnily enough, When they were raised from 6 euro to 8 everyone went foreign to get them but when they were supposedly going up to 10 euro EVERYONE I know said they were giving them up.

    2 of my friends actually have but now that they are only 25c I think they'll slip back to smoking.

    Back then one in four cigarettes was not bought from the black market. They are way more accessible now.


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    #59
    nerraw1111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭nerraw1111


    Goose81 wrote: »
    Just because you dont smoke doesnt give you the right to get up on your moral high horse.Its an addiction you clown.

    By your username, I presume your 28 or less. So you’re the clown for smoking when even the dogs on the street knew it was ****e for your health. I’ve every sympathy for older people who smoke and didn’t know the risks. But if you’re only 28 and you're now crying ‘addiction’ when fags go up, you’re the clown.


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    #60
    S12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41 ✭S12


    How much are cigarettes in the north?


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    #61
    mrmac
    Registered Users Posts: 2,967 ✭✭✭mrmac


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    should have put them up by €5 a pack

    I've read a few people knocking this comment, and I don't think that's entirely fair. I agree, it's just another tax on a captive audience, and it is unfair to keep increasing this tax.

    BUT, if it stops young people from starting to smoke in the first place, because it's so expensive, then maybe it'll have a long term benefit.
    Ok, so we get screwed, but I still wish I had never started smoking - do you?


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