No decrease in Social Welfare Payments?

líreacán

easyeason3 wrote: »

I don't think he was giving out to you but just trying to make a helpful suggestion.
It's not easy on anyone, especially anyone with a family, but save your anger for when some idiot politician comes knocking on your door for a vote & then let rip

Thanks, I was just trying to help. I'm a lady btw!

easyeason3

líreacán wrote: »

Thanks, I was just trying to help. I'm a lady btw!

Sorry! Lovely lady!

ionix5891

Jah Luff wrote: »

Well the bus were I live is
1. Never on time.
2. doesnt have weekly passes.
3. Is alwaus jam packed.
4. Is a long walk from my house.

Dont think you know **** cuz u dont.

ok lady i am not gonna get into an argument over this (i learned from experience that women always win arguments )

you're the one who wanted kids and i am the one who's taxes have to go towards paying for this kids expenses

fortunately for you we live in a socialist society, you wouldn't be so lucky in 99% of the other countries in this world

so keep that in mind before moaning online about how hard you have it

wolfpawnat

ionix5891 wrote: »

im surprised that all these people with babies think they are entitled to be given support by the GOVERNMENT for them having sex without contraceptives

theres this thing called family planning, would save you alot of financial trouble and give your children a better start in life if you and your partner plan these things thru

so to sum it up, dont be silly wear a condom on that willy

Please don't assume that everyone who is on the dole and has a child was too stupid not to have ANY form of contraception, no form of contracetion is 100% effective and also many people who have children had jobs until the recession came. It is a sad truth. yes some people make a living out of having children and sponging benefits but believe my I would rather work than face the dole queue every Friday morning in my Post Office. I don't want to depend on it but sadly I have to.

inforfun wrote: »

People who are on the dole since 18 months or less should not be cut.
People who has been on the dole since the new millennium should be cut at least 25%.
From 2000 till 2006 it was almost easier to get a job than to get a fresh bread.

+1,000,000
I could not agree more!

Jah Luff

What makes you think im a gal? Im not moaning im arguing with other statments I didnt start the bitching.

inforfun

aare wrote: »

Exactly what do you think that would achieve now that people can't get jobs even when they have recent experience and a full CV?

You have to be realistic.

Well, obviously those people have more than enough money. They didn't find it necessary to find a job back then.
It is plain ridiculous that someone who has not worked a day in his/her life gets the same as someone who recently lost his/her job after having worked for x amount of years.

Over the last 6 months i lost 10% of my income due to levies and not getting a pay rise. The professional "Dolers" still got a pay rise in last years budget for doing f all.

I don't think THAT is realistic.

ionix5891

Jah Luff wrote: »

What makes you think im a gal? Im not moaning im arguing with other statments I didnt start the bitching.

apologies, my bad

just the entitlement attitude of some people really ticks me off so i went on a ranting rampage

aare

ionix5891 wrote: »

i don't see how anyone with good CV would have trouble not finding a job anywhere in 18 months

There are so many double negative in that it's hard to know what you mean, but, at present, even people with good CVs and recent experience are finding it hard to get a job, so what do you actually think the long term unemployed will actually DO if you cut their payments to below the breadline?

They certainly won't have a chance of finding jobs, so they will have to do something else, and, offhand, I cannot think of anything that will enhance the society we live in at all.

Which is why I say, be realistic...

ionix5891

aare wrote: »

There are so many double negative in that it's hard to know what you mean, but, at present, even people with good CVs and recent experience are finding it hard to get a job, so what do you actually think the long term unemployed will actually DO if you cut their payments to below the breadline?

They certainly won't have a chance of finding jobs, so they will have to do something else, and, offhand, I cannot think of anything that will enhance the society we live in at all.

Which is why I say, be realistic...

a recent experience in what may i ask?

foggy_lad

daisy123 wrote: »

I'm just wondering is there a reason behind the no decrease in Job Seekers Allowance/Benefits? Legislation or something? It was promised that all areas of society would bear the brunt equally, and yet everybodies income is coming down except those who are not working.

I realise that it is very hard to be out of employment, but if everybody has to tighten their belts and change habits in their lifestyles etc, why can't people on the Live Register do the same?

As is stands, the money I earn for a 37.5 hour week is not coming in at much more than the dole when the new levy is taken into account, and I'm sure there's people earning less than I am.

So, I was just wondering if there was a legal reason for not decreasing payments NOW as opposed to looking at them in subsequent budgets?

very many people on the dole or getting social welfare payments are only new to the welfare system and are already crippled by debt and their changed circumstances. what must it be like to go from living on over €700 a week to as little as €204?

maybe this is a reason that dole payments were left alone but on the good side there is to be more people tasked with investigation of fraudulant claims

easyeason3

foggy_lad wrote: »

very many people on the dole or getting social welfare payments are only new to the welfare system and are already crippled by debt and their changed circumstances. what must it be like to go from living on over €700 a week to as little as €204?

maybe this is a reason that dole payments were left alone but on the good side there is to be more people tasked with investigation of fraudulant claims

When you say there are going to be more people tasked with investigating fraudulant claims does that mean existing civil servants being shipped in from other departments to do this or is there a possibilty someone like little old me would be in with a chance?

aare

ionix5891 wrote: »

a recent experience in what may i ask?

When I say "recent experience" I mean people who have just lost their jobs, as opposed to the long term unemployed.

Employers are far happier to take on someone who was only recently unemployed, and, even in the height of the boom, many would not take on the long term unemployed at all. But, at present, even the recently unemployed cannot get work.

So, if you cut the long term unemployed allowance by 25% you wind up with a large group of people living well below the poverty line, with no chance of working, and no future...

That really is not a good idea from the point of view of society as a whole.

...not least because the upsurge in crime would be stratospheric.

lalalulu

Highsider wrote: »

Seriously if i got rent allowance and all the other benefits you get on the dole i think i'd be better off. Crazy :mad: Why is it if you work and try and do your bit you get royally f**ked and if you sit on your arse doing SFA you get everything you need to get by and more. At the very least long term dole heads (year or more) should have had their dole cut by half. Very angry right now.

I completely understand your anger it's awful to think you work for your money and still get kicked in the teeth. However i am in receipt of rent allowance and believe me you wouldn't be better off! I really struggle trying to pay bills, buy food, nappies and formula for my daughter. I'm not looking for sympathy but i worked for 10 years before i found myself needing help from the state believe me i don't want to be in this situation. There are genuine people claiming welfare but it's the sponger's who ruin it for everyone else. When i was signing on it was laughable to see people coming in to the dole office in brand new designer clothes and talking loudly about what benefits they get and how only mugs work. If any of these people had any self respect they wouldn't want to be in that situation.
A person on the dole for a year or more has to go into the welfare officer and be reinterviewed and is asked to explain why they can't find work. Their dole is never cut though. I think there needs to be an overhaul of the whole system because it's clearly not working!

ionix5891

aare wrote: »

When I say "recent experience" I mean people who have just lost their jobs, as opposed to the long term unemployed.

Employers are far happier to take on someone who was only recently unemployed, and, even in the height of the boom, many would not take on the long term unemployed at all. But, at present, even the recently unemployed cannot get work.

So, if you cut the long term unemployed allowance by 25% you wind up with a large group of people living well below the poverty line, with no chance of working, and no future...

That really is not a good idea from the point of view of society as a whole.

...not least because the upsurge in crime would be stratospheric.

ive no issues with people taking unemployment benefit if they become unemployed for a year or so as happens in other countries with welfare systems, after all they prob paid enough in PRSI/PAYE etc to deserve it

its the long term spongers who didnt bother getting a job even in the best of times

aare

ionix5891 wrote: »

ive no issues with people taking unemployment benefit if they become unemployed for a year or so as happens in other countries with welfare systems, after all they prob paid enough in PRSI/PAYE etc to deserve it

its the long term spongers who didnt bother getting a job even in the best of times

I got that...

But what I don't get is what you think it would achieve to cut their allowances by 25% at a time when, no matter how much they wanted to, long term unemployed couldn't get jobs anyway...

Seems to me all that would cause is grief and masses of trouble...

mahamageehad

inforfun wrote: »

People who are on the dole since 18 months or less should not be cut.
People who has been on the dole since the new millennium should be cut at least 25%.
From 2000 till 2006 it was almost easier to get a job than to get a fresh bread.

+1.

ionix5891 wrote: »

i don't see how anyone with good CV would have trouble not finding a job anywhere in 18 months

I have to agree with this. I'm only a student but I'm currently looking for a full time job for the summer to pay for accommodation next year. I started looking for a job about 3 weeks ago, I currently have 5 interviews lined up. I know there's no guarantee that I'll get any of these... but I know people who have never been on an interview in their lives and live comfortably off their dole!! Its a joke!!

Villain

I was talking to a mate after the budget and I said "they bottled it, they have left us up sh1t creek without a paddle they needed to cut the dole by 20%-30% and cut public sector by the same"

He replied "ah jesus you have no idea how bad it is for people on the dole at the moment and the public sector has already had the pension levy"

People in this country are living in cloud cu-cu land, the country simply can't afford the social welfare and public sector at its current level. The country will bankrupt itself if it continues as it is.

Lowering the age of at which public sector employees can retire is a cowards way of hoping the numbers will drop.

This country is in SERIOUS trouble and this Budget doesn't go anyway near far enough to addressing the issues. If people here think these measures are bad go to other EU Countries or even across the water to the UK and see what you get on social welfare.

Or even worse still, wait and see this country go down the swanny and wait for the IMF to come in and the you will see what real hard budgets are about.

Caryatnid

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Once you reach 25 there is no means test.

What do you mean by that? I think you are wrong there, the dole office know how much my rent is, how much savings I have, whether I have shares or children or if I live with my parents or have a partner. As far as I can tell, it's means tested.

Villain

Caryatnid wrote: »

What do you mean by that? I think you are wrong there, the dole office know how much my rent is, how much savings I have, whether I have shares or children or if I live with my parents or have a partner. As far as I can tell, it's means tested.

I think they mean once you reach 25 your parents aren't means tested in relation to your dole, i.e. its only you that is means tested your parents income or savings don't affect your claim

anntionette

sillysasauge wrote: »

Im 26 now and on the dole for over a year and get 200 euro a week, although I pay my parents 300 a month out of that. Even with this and paying for my own food I am basically live the same lifestyle I had while I was working, except that I am not saving any money.

My friends from London can't believe how much we get here, it's way too much. It should be 125 euro a week in my opinion. The incentive to get work would be much higher if i couldn't do the things i could do while i was working (going out drinking, buying clothes, gym membership etc). I was kind of half hoping that there would be a big cut in the dole just to give me a kick up the arse.

Your 26 and you live at home. Most men are preparing for or living the life of a grown up with a wife and family....where will 200 a week get you then? For under 20's living at home it might be less stressful to live on less. Maybe the answer is that the dole should be strictly means tested for anyone living at home?

sillysasauge

anntionette wrote: »

Your 26 and you live at home. Most men are preparing for or living the life of a grown up with a wife and family....where will 200 a week get you then? For under 20's living at home it might be less stressful to live on less. Maybe the answer is that the dole should be strictly means tested for anyone living at home?

I think I read the average age that people get married is 32 in Ireland, don't rush me on that one I only just turned 26, last thing on my mind is a wife.

The thing is it doesn't make too much difference if i am living with the folks or was living in a flat, im paying them 300 a month (used to be 400 but my mum took pity on me) to them for rent. I pay for all my food, do my own chores. Besides I get on well with my parents!:eek:

200 a week is too much for a single male is all i am saying, and i didnt even apply for rent allowance and i was told i could apply for it even though i live with the folks.

Red Crow

daisy123 wrote: »

I'm just wondering is there a reason behind the no decrease in Job Seekers Allowance/Benefits? Legislation or something? It was promised that all areas of society would bear the brunt equally, and yet everybodies income is coming down except those who are not working.

I realise that it is very hard to be out of employment, but if everybody has to tighten their belts and change habits in their lifestyles etc, why can't people on the Live Register do the same?

As is stands, the money I earn for a 37.5 hour week is not coming in at much more than the dole when the new levy is taken into account, and I'm sure there's people earning less than I am.

So, I was just wondering if there was a legal reason for not decreasing payments NOW as opposed to looking at them in subsequent budgets?

The only reason they can't really cut social welfare is because so many people are living off the dole. And as a previous poster said it would be political suicide.

ScarletO'Hara

sillysasauge wrote: »

I think I read the average age that people get married is 32 in Ireland, don't rush me on that one I only just turned 26, last thing on my mind is a wife.

The thing is it doesn't make too much difference if i am living with the folks or was living in a flat, im paying them 300 a month (used to be 400 but my mum took pity on me) to them for rent. I pay for all my food, do my own chores. Besides I get on well with my parents!:eek:

200 a week is too much for a single male is all i am saying, and i didnt even apply for rent allowance and i was told i could apply for it even though i live with the folks.

How hard have you tried for a job? What do you do all day? Do you do any voluntary work? I think if you look hard enough you will get work. I appreciate your honest post btw.

aare

Kurtza wrote: »

The only reason they can't really cut social welfare is because so many people are living off the dole. And as a previous poster said it would be political suicide.

I am guessing you are still in Uni and at home?

sillysasauge

ScarletO'Hara wrote: »

How hard have you tried for a job? What do you do all day? Do you do any voluntary work? I think if you look hard enough you will get work. I appreciate your honest post btw.

Not that hard to be honest, probably apply for 2/3 jobs a week that i am genuinely am interested in, in march i applied for 13. i spend my days cooking, keeping fit, learning spanish and my mums teaching me to drive, and just finished a 10 week evening course there recently. Need to keep myself busy or ill go mad. I think for anyone on the dole it's a good chance to learn skills that you wouldn't have the time for if you where working full time.

I think I would find work at minimum wage if i tried hard enough to be honest, but thats the problem, there is little incentive to work a 40 hour job if you are not going to get that much extra a week out of it. I know my friend in London was only getting £60 a week and was is in the same circumstances as me, if thats all i was getting id be working in aldi no bother. Voluntary work seems like a real good idea by the way, thanks.

Heineken Helen

What a disgusting thread... I've read several of these threads before and never ever wished any of you lucky people to end up on the dole... I'm having trouble NOW though wishing you keep your job :rolleyes:

I think it's obvious why the government haven't touched the dole and why this is already the biggest thread in this forum... so that there will be a HUGE public backlash against this and they can introduce bigger measures against people on the dole than they would have gotten away with today.


I think you all need to take a step back and respond to this thread in a day or two when you're not speaking on pure adrenaline or anger.

ScarletO'Hara

sillysasauge wrote: »

Not that hard to be honest, probably apply for 2/3 jobs a week that i am genuinely am interested in, in march i applied for 13. i spend my days cooking, keeping fit, learning spanish and my mums teaching me to drive, and just finished a 10 week evening course there recently. Need to keep myself busy or ill go mad. I think for anyone on the dole it's a good chance to learn skills that you wouldn't have the time for if you where working full time.

I think I would find work at minimum wage if i tried hard enough to be honest, but thats the problem, there is little incentive to work a 40 hour job if you are not going to get that much extra a week out of it. I know my friend in London was only getting £60 a week and was is in the same circumstances as me, if thats all i was getting id be working in aldi no bother. Voluntary work seems like a real good idea by the way, thanks.

You would go less mad if you were working, even for the minimum wage. You never know what it might lead to or who you might meet. If you are ambitious and hardworking I think opportunities arise. I would be very unhappy if my sons were claiming the dole to be honest. I'm not sure my husband would let them stay at home. But I think you have a bit of get up and go so hopefully you won't be a burden on the state for much longer. Good luck.

KittyeeTrix

I would be mortified if I thought my husband was capable of throwing any of my kids out of the house if they were unfortunate enough to lose their jobs in the current climate....

Do you mean if they didn't want to work which of course is a different story?

Heineken Helen

ScarletO'Hara wrote: »

You would go less mad if you were working, even for the minimum wage. You never know what it might lead to or who you might meet. If you are ambitious and hardworking I think opportunities arise. I would be very unhappy if my sons were claiming the dole to be honest. I'm not sure my husband would let them stay at home. But I think you have a bit of get up and go so hopefully you won't be a burden on the state for much longer. Good luck.

Don't worry, sillysausage certainly does NOT represent the normal person on the dole. And I get the impression there may be an ulterior motive... but of course I could be wrong.

The only time I STOP applying for jobs is when I've applied for EVERY job I can find which is suitable for me... sometimes up to 50 a week but recently down to 15.

ScarletO'Hara

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

I would be mortified if I thought my husband was capable of throwing any of my kids out of the house if they were unfortunate enough to lose their jobs in the current climate....

Do you mean if they didn't want to work which of course is a different story?

Sillysausage has admitted he is not fully motivated to finding work because the dole is so generous. Why would others not feel the same? My sons are working so I suppose my comment is hypothetical really. I think any job is worth doing, but some young people over the last few years turned their noses up at minimum wage jobs.