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No decrease in Social Welfare Payments?
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Allah Hu Akbar wrote: »Jobs are going left, right and center and you think it's easy to find work!
I know... it's beyond belief... oh if we just focus our minds the job will come to US????? :rolleyes:
I'm applying for plenty of jobs on websites that show how many other people have applied. There actually ARE quite a few jobs in my field where I live... HOWEVER there are 300 people applying for each one
not easy to even get a reply saying you've been unsuccessful. Some people just have NO idea what's going on at the mo... if I was still in my job, I probably wouldn't think it was as bad as it is either. 0 -
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Heineken Helen wrote: »I know... it's beyond belief... oh if we just focus our minds the job will come to US????? :rolleyes:
I'm applying for plenty of jobs on websites that show how many other people have applied. There actually ARE quite a few jobs in my field where I live... HOWEVER there are 300 people applying for each one not easy to even get a reply saying you've been unsuccessful. Some people just have NO idea what's going on at the mo... if I was still in my job, I probably wouldn't think it was as bad as it is either.
I was being specific to sillysausage. Of course I realise how difficult it is out there and I have huge sympathy for everyone who has lost their job, particularly if they have a young family, and expecting more. I hope you both succeed in your endeavours to find work. I know it is old fashioned but is knocking on doors or cold calling on businesses so out of date now. I know website are one way but what about the old ways? Just curious?0 -
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easyeason3 wrote: »Dole probably seems a lot of money to some people right now but in reality it doesn't go that far. Coming from earning a fairly decent salary, and paying tax on that I might add, it has been a major kick in the ass to reign myself in to live on €204 a week considering I have a car loan to keep up with, trying my best to sell the car but like everything at the moment it's a slow process.
Anyway it's not by choice I'm signing on & I would only love to have a job to go into but I don't & I'm not the only one out there feeling like this.
It does bug me when I have to go into social welfare to sign on once a month & I can hand pick people in the queue who have never done a days work & has no ambition to. It bugs me even more when I'm standing directly behind some of them & get the whiff of last nights beer. And it nearly makes me cry when I see those exact same people strolling from the pub to the bookies & back each day. You might think I'm making this up but I'm not. It makes my blood boil.
I'm a little bit surprised they didn't do something with social welfare but I'm going to be honest & say that I'm glad. I honestly don't see how I could survive financially if it was lowered by more than €10. Things are that tight.
But I'm not stupid enough not to know that it must be soul destroying for people to work on average a 39 hour week & come out with slightly more. I can see exactly why people would feel this way but I can tell you that being on the dole is not all it's cracked up to be, contrary to what some people might think.
Theres a lot to be said for having your pride & it's hard to find that standing in a dole queue.
Really well said. That sums up how i feel too.
I was working in finance for 7 years, and was let go before christmas. Applied like crazy since, but got 1 interview in 4 months. Its just impossible to get anything it seems.
I had to leave my rented house in Dublin, and now at 29 i am back in parents house where i don't want to be, and they don't want me to be. I pay them €50 a week just to contribute something, as i feel so bad being here at this stage.
I am doing a course in accounting/Finance just to be doing something and improving skills which works out at €45 a week. Then if i have 1 night out thats anywhere from 30-50 including taxis etc. On a sunday id go to a gaa game which is tenner in. Then theres food when in town, god forbid buy an item of clothing or whatever. Your 200 is gone in no time! A decrease would have be devastating to me too.
The signing on is soul destroying, add to that having to live at home with parents again, your freedom gone, no holidays, etc and its does get you down.
I would love to get a job no matter how crap, just to get me off that dole queue. But in a town like Carlow its impossible to find
So i am so happy there was no reduction in the dole today. Its hard enough cope as it is, without getting a reduction in that too.0 -
ScarletO'Hara wrote: »I was being specific to sillysausage. Of course I realise how difficult it is out there and I have huge sympathy for everyone who has lost their job, particularly if they have a young family, and expecting more. I hope you both succeed in your endeavours to find work. I know it is old fashioned but is knocking on doors or cold calling on businesses so out of date now. I know website are one way but what about the old ways? Just curious?
Thank you
I just wanted to remind people that many of us aren't just sitting on our lazy arses doing nothing
Pretty much everyone I've met I HAVE asked if they know of any work (word of mouth is still huge). I certainly have dropped my cv into random places and even cold called (but it's not something I'm naturally good at but I'll keep trying ). I've been on several interviews and agencies are drooling over my CV for some reason 
but employers don't seem to see anything interesting enough to call me in. The interviews have kept me nice and busy though and I've used the time to realise how much more I can give to a job in the future. I've considered setting up my own business... I've tried pretty much EVERY avenue.
I've also been doing some courses to show these months haven't been a complete waste of time.0 -
Really well said. That sums up how i feel too.
I was working in finance for 7 years, and was let go before christmas. Applied like crazy since, but got 1 interview in 4 months. Its just impossible to get anything it seems.
I had to leave my rented house in Dublin, and now at 29 i am back in parents house where i don't want to be, and they don't want me to be. I pay them €50 a week just to contribute something, as i feel so bad being here at this stage.
I am doing a course in accounting/Finance just to be doing something and improving skills which works out at €45 a week. Then if i have 1 night out thats anywhere from 30-50 including taxis etc. On a sunday id go to a gaa game which is tenner in. Then theres food when in town, god forbid buy an item of clothing or whatever. Your 200 is gone in no time! A decrease would have be devastating to me too.
The signing on is soul destroying, add to that having to live at home with parents again, your freedom gone, no holidays, etc and its does get you down.
I would love to get a job no matter how crap, just to get me off that dole queue. But in a town like Carlow its impossible to find
So i am so happy there was no reduction in the dole today. Its hard enough cope as it is, without getting a reduction in that too.
Sometimes it's worse than a full time job... and just as stressful... it's so tough to try and remain positive. I usually just come home and try to forget about it but there was ONE day (I'm quite proud I've kept it down to one lol) where I came home and just sobbed for hours. I actually felt better after it:o but that's why these threads annoy me so much... they've no idea how much their words add to what's already a horrible situation.0 -
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Really well said. That sums up how i feel too.
I was working in finance for 7 years, and was let go before christmas. Applied like crazy since, but got 1 interview in 4 months. Its just impossible to get anything it seems.
I had to leave my rented house in Dublin, and now at 29 i am back in parents house where i don't want to be, and they don't want me to be. I pay them €50 a week just to contribute something, as i feel so bad being here at this stage.
I am doing a course in accounting/Finance just to be doing something and improving skills which works out at €45 a week. Then if i have 1 night out thats anywhere from 30-50 including taxis etc. On a sunday id go to a gaa game which is tenner in. Then theres food when in town, god forbid buy an item of clothing or whatever. Your 200 is gone in no time! A decrease would have be devastating to me too.
The signing on is soul destroying, add to that having to live at home with parents again, your freedom gone, no holidays, etc and its does get you down.
I would love to get a job no matter how crap, just to get me off that dole queue. But in a town like Carlow its impossible to find
So i am so happy there was no reduction in the dole today. Its hard enough cope as it is, without getting a reduction in that too.
Please see my post above yours. I really hope some light shines at the end of the tunnel for all of you. Keep busy if you can until something turns up, hopefully0 -
Heineken Helen wrote: »Sometimes it's worse than a full time job... and just as stressful... it's so tough to try and remain positive. I usually just come home and try to forget about it but there was ONE day (I'm quite proud I've kept it down to one lol) where I came home and just sobbed for hours. I actually felt better after it:o but that's why these threads annoy me so much... they've no idea how much their words add to what's already a horrible situation.
Everything you say is so true Helen! I've had 3 jobs in my career so far, 2 i liked, 1 i hated ...but right now i'd even take that job i hated again if they offered it to me on reduced wages. Thats how bad i feel about my situation right now.
I find it almost impossible to remain positive as i can see there is no chance of finding a job soon.
I hate being at home with parents at my age...but fair play to them they understand are are doing their best.
I hate to admit it, but i've cried a few nights recently just thinking about how bad things have become. At times i feel like the me of a year or 2 ago...that happy guy who enjoyed life and things were going great for was someone else!
Anyway enough public crying here! I guess i am gone a bit off topic now.
I'd like to get your reply by pm if possible 0 -
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It takes a real man to cry and admit it Steve...
I wish you the very, VERY best of luck...
(DAMN this is starting to feel like the Dining Room on Titanic!)
Haha, well i like to think i am a real man...despite this public outburst which might ruin that!!!
Good that i use a different name here so most mates won't recognise me i hope!!
Geeze if they do i'm in for a horrid slagging!!
Yep the sinking Titanic is an apt summary of my feelings right now actually!0 -
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sillysasauge wrote: »i spend my days cooking, keeping fit, learning spanish and my mums teaching me to drive, and just finished a 10 week evening course there recently. Need to keep myself busy or ill go mad. I think for anyone on the dole it's a good chance to learn skills that you wouldn't have the time for if you where working full time.
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That's very productive use of your free time especially the learning to drive bit (stressed me out a lot for about 6 months at the time). This is a skill which will make you more employable later. It's likely you'll want a different lifestyle at some point, maybe if you meet a girlfriend. Right now for someone like you I'm kind of thinking "carry on" and leave whatever jobs are there for the people who cannot cope with being unemployed. I hope you take up the suggestion of voluntary work.ScarletO'Hara wrote: »You would go less mad if you were working, even for the minimum wage. You never know what it might lead to or who you might meet. If you are ambitious and hardworking I think opportunities arise. .
There was a long thread in After Hours about this. People were suggesting that a minimum wage job doesn't add much to your sense of self worth. I agree with this but I know some people would prefer to work under any circumstances.When you have Gas,Esb,Food,Clothes 205 euro a week is not that much!
Food €40-50 a week, clothes not needed every week maybe another €40 in Penneys and there's still money left over for gas and esb. But some people on the dole have a lot of personal debt and credit cards from when they were working. That's when life on €200 becomes impossible.I had to leave my rented house in Dublin, and now at 29 i am back in parents house where i don't want to be, and they don't want me to be. I pay them €50 a week just to contribute something, as i feel so bad being here at this stage.
I am doing a course in accounting/Finance just to be doing something and improving skills which works out at €45 a week. Then if i have 1 night out thats anywhere from 30-50 including taxis etc. On a sunday id go to a gaa game which is tenner in. Then theres food when in town, god forbid buy an item of clothing or whatever. Your 200 is gone in no time! A decrease would have be devastating to me too.
The signing on is soul destroying, add to that having to live at home with parents again, your freedom gone, no holidays, etc and its does get you down.
I would love to get a job no matter how crap, just to get me off that dole queue. But in a town like Carlow its impossible to find
So i am so happy there was no reduction in the dole today. Its hard enough cope as it is, without getting a reduction in that too.
OK, I believe you are completely genuine and hope you can find work again soon. But when I read the bits I've put in bold I have to say your new lifestyle isn't that bad, you can afford to do an expensive course, a night out, a football match, clothes now and again, to pay rent....
Now I completely understand that there's nothing left after that and I'm not criticising you in any way for going out and going to football matches. In fact I think it's important to maintain some social life when unemployed to prevent depression setting in.
I'm just making the point that people on minimum wage and people like me who pay mortgages don't have it any better than you.
About the holidays I saw another post somewhere on boards from an unemployed person putting €30 a week towards holidays. In your case that money goes towards the course instead. It's about priorities. Different people will spend the money on different things.
I'd be interested if someone could explain what sort of lifestyle they had before if they think this new lifestyle is unbearable. I was a student for years, then I was saving for a house deposit, now I'm paying the mortgage and bills alone so I'm used to having very little money. If I spend €100 on a night out, it wouldn't be more than once every few months. Apart from that it would be cheaper things like cinema or theatre. I go to Dublin or London for a weekend sometimes when I tend to spend a bit on clothes (almost always in the sales). I have lunches out with girlfriends,...
That's all my lifestyle consists of, none of that is overly expensive, I could easily maintain that on €204 (but not the mortgage, car loan, credit card and all the household bills)
Edited to add, I think it's good that people are spending the dole money, be it on holidays, drink, further education, driving lessons, clothes...at least it's going back into the economy.0 -
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The Corinthian wrote: »Because you elected them. Perhaps not you personally, but collectively responsibility rests with the people in a democracy and that includes you.
That means that if we made a bad choice in leaders or did not bother to vote, the buck still ultimately stops with us. Tough.
I don't buy that... if I don't do my job, can I just say to my boss 'well you were stupid for employing me?' or anybody who HAS squandered plenty of money in their job has been held personally responsible, either by losing their job or been prosecuted or punished in some way.
I would have no reservations against a tiered system for welfare though... but I guess it means more hoops to jump through. I've been paying taxes for 12 years... but I wouldn't have a problem with receiving less money than someone who's been paying for 30 years... kinda like in employment anyway, the longer you're there the more you're paid.
To be honest, I AM surprised the dole wasn't reduced... even 5euro would have saved them a couple of million a WEEK or have I just completely miscalculated that?:D And if anybody truly believes that they cannot survive without that 5euro they will have access to somebody who can help them. 0 -
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