Is it just me?

franklyshocked

Is it just me or is 50% (or more) of electro-house absolute cack.
Lets take a half decent track and whack a stupid grindy and repetive bassline ontop.
Don't get me wrong There are lots of brilliant Electro producers out there but they aren't resorting to that as a way of making their tracks "more" commercial.
I imagine there's some fat record propducer out there who keeps saying "thats not electro enough" to each new release they get.
Take a **** electrohouse track, knock on +10 BPM and you can get a clubland style track, which is scary
Put a donk on it!

FLYNN-DOG

I wholeheartedly agree with you. I put a similiar thread up a while ago;

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055490844

Yep, liked electro and even electro house at one stage. Now I just think of all that drivel churned out on MTV Dance 24/7 and they have spoiled the genre. Much like it's hard to think of trance and not think of Tiesto cheese.

VinylJunkie

Yeah agree, back in 06-07 elechro house tunes where coming out 2 to the penny and where of terrible quality. There are still some great electro tracks coming out although you have to wade through the crap to get to them.

Jev/N

There are good tracks in pretty much every genre but the problem with Electro House is the fact that it's so popular in the last few years and any eejit with a laptop and a cracked copy of reason or ableton etc. can make a track and release it

Daroxtar

Same always happens. I remember when trance was underground and brilliant but along came MoS and Euphoria etc. and every gimp out there was making trance. No disrespect to him but PvD and the like have a lot to answer for. Come to think of it, any artist who scores a big comercial hit ends up with fools jumping on the bandwagon. Underworld, prodigy, faithless, leftfield, chemical brothers.... they've all been responsible for some of the biggest tunes ever but have all influenced muppets to flood the airwaves and record shops with tripe. Electro house is just the next step and in a years time there'll be something else new to take its place.

franklyshocked

Daroxtar wrote: »

Same always happens. I remember when trance was underground and brilliant but along came MoS and Euphoria etc. and every gimp out there was making trance. No disrespect to him but PvD and the like have a lot to answer for. Come to think of it, any artist who scores a big comercial hit ends up with fools jumping on the bandwagon. Underworld, prodigy, faithless, leftfield, chemical brothers.... they've all been responsible for some of the biggest tunes ever but have all influenced muppets to flood the airwaves and record shops with tripe. Electro house is just the next step and in a years time there'll be something else new to take its place.

So are we blaming the success of Eric Prydz and Fedde Le Grand on the current load of **** electro tracks?

Not personally blaming them of course, just the labels that assume emulation is the best way to make some money

Daroxtar

franklyshocked wrote: »

So are we blaming the success of Eric Prydz and Fedde Le Grand on the current load of **** electro tracks?

Not personally blaming them of course, just the labels that assume emulation is the best way to make some money

I'd go back as far as Mr oizo flat beat. A bloody ad ferfuksake. Comercialism at its truest. Its definately the labels that push things but thats the music industry for you. Pump out as much of a certain product as possible to make a quick buck rather than developing and releasing quality music.

Zascar

I hated electro when I was first exposed to it but quickly changed my mind and started to get very into it. A lot of obscure people pumping out some quality stuff that I was very much enjoying. Not too long after Benassi and Co exploded it onto the commercial scene and soon after every pop tune had an electro twang to it. Honestly I cannot blame Eric Prydz - ok he sold out but he made a fortune with 'call on me' (I can't say I would not do the same if I had the choice) but he still continued on to made very good quality music on the underground scene.

I discovered Deadmau5 in the early days and really loved him, was telling everyone about my latest discovery etc. The guy took over the scene like no one I have ever seen before, and unfortunately when that happens he looses his credibility with many. I do not listen to much of his stuff any more - it has just passed really -but if he was in Dublin next week I'd probably go - crowd pleasing tunes and a decent show.

It's just kind of unfortunate that what seems to be a talented producer brings out a few catchy tunes and in no time he's been completely commercialised and suddenly he's pumping out of the stereo of every knackered up micra with a loud exhaust on the West side of Dublin. Electro has a certain formula that can easily be pasted into other music easily and as we all know the EDM scene is incredibly snobbish etc so that which becomes popular with the masses is usually branded as cheesey sh!te by the rest.

I wouldn't have it any other way though

Electro has passed its fad though - for all the reasons already mentioned above. I'm sure there is plenty of good stuff out there but I don't really download much any more.

Interesting point about it being easy to produce etc - I wonder the same about minimal... I've heard a good bit of minimal produced by total amateurs that I consider pretty dam good! I know nothing about producing but I hope the minimal scene does not get flooded and ruined in the same way...

jtsuited

one of the huge problems with electrohouse was that it became big in the US.

And jaysus the Americans love to saturate the market with cheap, substandard tracks that are massively derivative and are generally just annoying.

On the European side of things, the whole Erol Alkan/Boys Noise/Ed Banger thing is frightfully awful.
But if it introduces a load of indie kids to electronic music, it's a necessary evil IMO.

brianc27

every electro house track is ****e, not just 50%

Zascar

Yeah I could never get into the Ed Banger Boyz Noise thing myself. The whole super Synthy Dr Lektroluv thing doesn't do it for me either. Just way too much going on at the same time!

franklyshocked

Zascar wrote: »

Yeah I could never get into the Ed Banger Boyz Noise thing myself. The whole super Synthy Dr Lektroluv thing doesn't do it for me either. Just way too much going on at the same time!

Doesn't Lektrolov just play average electro in a funny outfit?
Don't get him either

seannash

Jev/N wrote: »

There are good tracks in pretty much every genre but the problem with Electro House is the fact that it's so popular in the last few years and any eejit with a laptop and a cracked copy of reason or ableton etc. can make a track and release it

im going to play devils advocate now


okay so you do it then.;)

MikeHoncho

franklyshocked wrote: »

Doesn't Lektrolov just play average electro in a funny outfit?
Don't get him either

I had the misfortune of going to a Lektroluv gig recently. Really bad but my mates loved it and the place was rocking. Different strokes.

For the record though I actually think Boys Noize is a decent producer. I also think that Fake Blood and D.I.M are pretty good.

Hectorjelly

I love a lot of electro. The Erol Alkan Bugged out mix and Steve Aoki Pillowface mixes are probably my favourite mixes of the last few years.

donkeykingkong

electro is way to mass produced at the stage. you would never get away with playin an old electro track because it will just be an "old electro track". unlike techno or house which if they are any good become a classic and can be played ten years down the line

Zascar

Out of interest lads, as I rarely hunt down or listen to much electro recently - for those of you who do, post a few video's from youtube of some good recent releases. Might be a bit of an eye opener to those who overlook it..

RaverRo808

Really loved Electo and all its sub genres like Electro House and minimal when it got started,but soon big business got wind of it and b*stardised the fun out of it,and start putting into every pop song that was being released aka Britiney Spears and the like,now we have the commercialised kack that you see on MTV dance every five minutes,there are some very well regarded electo tunes doing the underground,but its few and far between,Eric Pyrdz,Deadmau,Chris Lake,they can all go suck balls,they had talent but cashed in and made commercial muck

VinylJunkie

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Really loved Electo and all its sub genres like Electro House and minimal when it got started,but soon big business got wind of it and b*stardised the fun out of it,and start putting into every pop song that was being released aka Britiney Spears and the like,now we have the commercialised kack that you see on MTV dance every five minutes,there are some very well regarded electo tunes doing the underground,but its few and far between,Eric Pyrdz,Deadmau,Chris Lake,they can all go suck balls,they had talent but cashed in and made commercial muck

Minimal is not a sub genre of Electro. IMO minimal is a genre of its own and sounds nothing like Electro. 100% agree with last bit about mau5 and lake

RaverRo808

VinylJunkie wrote: »

Minimal is not a sub genre of Electro. IMO minimal is a genre of its own and sounds nothing like Electro. 100% agree with last bit about mau5 and lake

There are minimum themed Electro tunes,it was a short lived phase,I'll try dig something out when get chance

seannash

VinylJunkie wrote: »

Minimal is not a sub genre of Electro. IMO minimal is a genre of its own and sounds nothing like Electro. 100% agree with last bit about mau5 and lake

is it there fault electro went so mainstream.if it hadnt and it remained underground(god i hate using that word)those fellas would be kings.
not condoning there tracks but they are talented.

yummycake

RaverRo808 wrote: »

There are minimum themed Electro tunes,it was a short lived phase,I'll try dig something out when get chance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auDpAy9fQic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLjJXaiaohI&feature=related

Hectorjelly

Zascar wrote: »

Out of interest lads, as I rarely hunt down or listen to much electro recently - for those of you who do, post a few video's from youtube of some good recent releases. Might be a bit of an eye opener to those who overlook it..

How recent? Have you heard this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKCb48rsDG8

Make sure you listen to it in HD (Although a good quality mp3 would be far better) as the bass is really important

Porkpie

It's in a sub genre all by itself which means some people must like it. I think a fork scraping against a plate would be more pleasant to listen to!

seannash

Hectorjelly wrote: »

How recent? Have you heard this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKCb48rsDG8

Make sure you listen to it in HD (Although a good quality mp3 would be far better) as the bass is really important

thats really doing no favours for the pro electrohouse argument in fairness.
pretty dull imo

cant find a video for this old electrhouse track but i still think its a corker and really really works on floors,it just keeps building and changing from start to finish.

http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/201446-01.htm

oh its the yer man remix im talking about

Westwood

Any time there a new sound like that that comes along and it gets jumped on… I just think that’s the whole reason why dance music might go through peaks and troughs but it never goes away, because it always eats itself and then spits out a new sound, then it gets massive and then that eats itself and spits out something else. Dance music has always done that. Most of the great genres in dance music are amalgamations of previous sounds and everything will go full circle im hearing alot of old psy elements coming back from platipus etc. its an exciting time for EDM these last few years, but that electro sound is so two years ago.