are we more british than the british themselves?

Dan Dare · 08-04-2009 3:34pm

I lived in London throughout the '90's, and my impression is that as the decade progressed, being Irish was perceived as being "cool", partly through Roddy Doyle, Father Ted, and various films that featured "Modern Ireland", and of course various popular beat combo's.

I am not so sure that English Scottish and Welsh people regard themselves as being British any more, certainly there is a lot of resentment in England about the prominent role the Scots have in the Government, Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling et al.

I think the peoples of these Islands have a great deal in common, culturally, historically, and maybe we have all just grown up a bit. Are the British "British" any more?

LaMer · 08-04-2009 3:46pm

markesmith wrote: »

Dublin's got a right British thing going on. I mean, the accent on the Southside, let's not kid ourselves, it's not really an Irish accent.

We'll it was developed in Dublin, which is part of Ireland. And then there's the fact that it's spoken by Irish people and not British people.

DrumSteve · 08-04-2009 4:02pm

we are basically an offshoot of british culture though.

Mr.Lizard · 08-04-2009 4:07pm

Ireland is a country the vast population of which are white people who live in a bubble of self-deluded-grandeur and believe the entire world owes them a living.

So yes "we are more British than the British themselves".

ejmaztec · 08-04-2009 4:10pm

Brirish or Iretish? Which one for the unique race?

Dudess · 08-04-2009 4:11pm

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

Ireland is a country the vast population of which are white people who live in a bubble of self-delusion and believe the entire world owes them a living.

There is a lot of that - resentment that people abroad (meaning Britain and to a lesser extent America) haven't heard of Brian Cowen etc...

ejmaztec · 08-04-2009 4:16pm

Dudess wrote: »

There is a lot of that - resentment that people abroad (meaning Britain and to a lesser extent America) haven't heard of Brian Cowen etc...

The face would look familiar but the correct name would probably escape most of them.

Fratton Fred · 08-04-2009 4:17pm

partyguinness wrote: »

I have been to many Premiership games and I can honestly say that..take away all the Sky Sports hype bull****...the standard isnt much different from the LOI..especially the lower teams and defo better than most Championship teams I have seen.

so we can expect to see Bohs v Drogs in the CL final soon then:D

markesmith wrote: »

Dublin's got a right British thing going on. I mean, the accent on the Southside, let's not kid ourselves, it's not really an Irish accent.

it sounds more californian to me

CamperMan · 08-04-2009 4:28pm

mayotom wrote: »

One of the British national daily newspapers is asking readers
"What it means to be British?"

Some of the emails are hilarious but this is one from a chap in
Switzerland...

Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub
for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing an Indian
curry or a Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture
and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. And the most British
thing of all? Suspicion of anything foreign.

Oh and!!!!!

Only in Britain... can a pizza get to your house faster than an
ambulance.

Only in Britain... do supermarkets make sick people walk all the
way to the back of the shop to get their prescriptions while
healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front.

Only in Britain... do banks leave both doors open and chain the
pens to the counters.

Only in Britain... do we leave cars worth thousands of pounds on
the drive and lock our junk and cheap lawn mower in the garage.

Only in Britain... do we use answering machines to screen calls
and then have call waiting so we won't miss a call from someone
we didn't want to talk to in the first place.

Only in Britain... are there disabled parking places in
front of a skating rink.

NOT TO MENTION...

3 Brits die each year testing if a 9v battery works on their
tongue.

142 Brits were injured in 1999 by not removing all pins from new
shirts.

58 Brits are injured each year by using sharp knives instead of
screwdrivers.

31 Brits have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree
while the fairy lights were plugged in.

10 Brits have died in the last 3 years believing that Christmas
decorations were chocolate.

British Hospitals reported 4 broken arms last year after cracker
pulling accidents.

101 people since 1999 have had broken parts of plastic toys
pulled out of the soles of their feet.

8 Brits had serious burns in 2000 trying
on a new jumper with a lit cigarette in their mouth.

A massive 543 Brits were admitted to A&E in the last two years
after opening bottles of beer with their teeth.

5 Brits were injured last year in accidents involving out of
Control Scalextric cars.

And finally.........

In 2000 eight Brits cracked their skull whilst throwing up into
the toilet.

RULE BRITANNIA!!!!

Now surely the average Irish person isn't that Stupid

Are you sure they were Brits??, they could have been Irish living in the UK

Ruu_Old · 08-04-2009 4:30pm

*looks at thread with glasses on tip of the nose and sips at tea (pinky out) and scoffs*

Fat_Fingers · 08-04-2009 4:36pm

Ruu wrote: »

*looks at thread with glasses on tip of the nose and sips at tea (pinky out) and scoffs*

Lol, yep! Thanks for the laugh.

partyguinness · 08-04-2009 4:37pm

CamperMan wrote: »

Are you sure they were Brits??, they could have been Irish living in the UK

yeah and Asians, Africans, Europeans, Australians, Americans...[insert any given Nationality]...try to disguise your rascism a bit better:rolleyes:

LordSutch · 08-04-2009 4:42pm

Zadkiel wrote: »

dublin to London 55mins
dublin to Birmingham 45 Mins...You can fly now too!

Or quicker still, Dundalk to Newry > only 25 mins & you're in the UK ............

With only 24 miles seperating this island from the big island next door wouldn't it be very strange if we wearn't very similar, & closely related to the other inhabitants of these islands in many, many ways!

Of course we are 'British' in a cultural sense, from Footie, to TV, to Rugby, to Food, to Language, to Culture, to everything we are in Ireland, for we are in reality a 'varient' on the British theme (not English), not Scottish, not Welsh, but Irish with a Capital I > which still doesn't hide our true geographical identity.

Just look at any pictures of Queen Victoria's last visit here in 1900, and count the tens of thousands of Union Jacks that were flying all over the place > Britishness is just beneath the skin, and obviously since 1922 we have gained "Political independence" while at the same time convincing ourselves that 'They' are the British, but 'We' most certainly are NOT, "because we are Irish".

And we are totally different

I'm off for a cuppa, then i'm really looking forward to the footie tonight!

ScumLord · 08-04-2009 4:50pm

Have you ever been to the UK? In Irish pubs in Birmingham they're more Irish than the Irish. Trad music non-stop until your ears start to bleed, all anyone want to talk about is the GAA and how they fup do they know all my cousins??

Zadkiel · 08-04-2009 4:55pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Have you ever been to the UK? In Irish pubs in Birmingham they're more Irish than the Irish. Trad music non-stop until your ears start to bleed, all anyone want to talk about is the GAA and how they fup do they know all my cousins??

Yeh the Dubliner in digbeth was a grand oul spot....til it got burned to the ground

The new place just doesn't have the same ambience

partyguinness · 08-04-2009 4:58pm

Camelot wrote: »

Or quicker still, Dundalk to Newry > only 25 mins & you're in the UK ............

With only 24 miles seperating this island from the big island next door wouldn't it be very strange if we wearn't very similar, & closely related to the other inhabotants of these islands in many, many ways!

Of course we are 'British' in a cultural sense, from Footie, to TV, to Rugby, to Food, to Language, to Culture, to everything we are in Ireland, for we are in reality a 'varient' on the British theme (not English), not Scottish, not Welsh, but Irish with a Capital I > which still doesn't hide our true geographical identity.

Just look at any pictures of Queen Victoria's last visit here in 1900, and count the tens of thousands of Union Jacks that were flying all over the place > Britishness is just beneath the skin, and obviously since 1922 we have gained "Political independence" while at the same time convincing ourselves that 'They' are the British, but 'We' most certainly are NOT, "because we are Irish".

And we are totally different

I'm off for a cuppa, then i'm really looking forward to the footie tonight!

Ha ha ..speak for yourself mate..where do you think the phrase "Jackeen" came from...that exact event..we are well aware of your love for the "Brits" but please do not tar us all with the same brush.

Dudess · 08-04-2009 5:03pm

God, any Irish person who admired and respected Queen Victoria enough to fawn at her when she visited was some asshole...

partyguinness · 08-04-2009 5:08pm

Dudess wrote: »

God, any Irish person who admired and respected Queen Victoria enough to fawn at her when she visited was some asshole...

Now now..thats no language for a Mod..;)

Mr.Lizard · 08-04-2009 5:10pm

Dudess wrote: »

God, any Irish person who admired and respected Queen Victoria enough to fawn at her when she visited was some asshole...

What do you think the Princess Diana mourners or the Jane Goodyear mourners of today would have been doing 100 years ago?

Dudess · 08-04-2009 5:14pm

Well Princess Diana didn't have the same disdain for Ireland as Queen Victoria had. And Jade Goody - not a monarch, even if the Sun says she was...

partyguinness wrote: »

Now now..thats no language for a Mod..;)

That's true - the mod charter forbids swearing, even on forums the mods don't moderate.

Mr.Lizard · 08-04-2009 5:16pm

Yeah but at least she came over here for a visit. I didn't see Diana or Goody doing that.

partyguinness · 08-04-2009 5:17pm

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

Yeah but at least she came over here for a visit. I didn't see Diana or Goody doing that.

lolololol

Wasnt it good of her...:)

partyguinness · 08-04-2009 5:20pm

Camelot wrote: »

Who said Queen Victoria had 'disdain' for Ireland ? unless you are refering to the Famine (when she was 26 years of age), and the the crowds turn out en'mass to welcome her in 1900.

To be fair I wldnt call it disdain..more ignorance really.

dr.bollocko · 08-04-2009 5:20pm

Dudess wrote: »

Well Princess Diana didn't have the same disdain for Ireland as Queen Victoria had. And Jade Goody - not a monarch, even if the Sun says she was...

That's true - the mod charter forbids swearing, even on forums the mods don't moderate.

OT but WTF?
fuck that.

javaboy · 08-04-2009 5:24pm

dr.bollocko wrote: »

OT but WTF?
fuck that.

Reported.

dr.bollocko · 08-04-2009 5:25pm

Reported for backseat smadminning

Capt'n Midnight · 08-04-2009 5:30pm

The only people who see themselves as British are the English. The rest of us are Irish, Welsh or Scottish. Some people up north claim to be British but they are very different to the English and rarely get invited around for tea.

Actually the English aren't even British they aren't descended from the original britons nor and the whole king Author thing. Instead they are descended from the Anglo-Saxons , having pushed the celts into Wales and cornwall .Then later on the Normans came in and took all the top jobs, but the Angles got the last laugh there when they imported a Royal family from the old country.

But the original Britons were celtic so yes we are more like the original Britons than those who now claim to be British.

testicle · 08-04-2009 5:31pm

live2thewire wrote: »

what do you think? i dont know im split on the issue. i notice many irish seem to think we have some sort of cultural interlink but really its all one way. you won't find anybody in the uk knowing who our personalities are, most probably dont know what the capital is. also many irish seem to think were just a stones throw from uk when in reality the majority of them are closer to paris than dublin

You've never been to the UK then, have you?

Capt'n Midnight · 08-04-2009 5:32pm

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

No all the Royals have blue wee.

The British army used to wear red uniforms to hide the blood.

The RAF wear blue uniforms for the same reason.

Xavi6 · 08-04-2009 5:37pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T1pXsJp_go

Filmed in inner city Dublin

live2thewire · 08-04-2009 6:28pm

god some of the responses are depressing. i wish the spanish had got the finger out back in the day.

were way to close to britain cant wait for a federal one language europe(not going to happen for years but one day)

magick · 08-04-2009 6:37pm

lol this thread is a joke right?!

ART6 · 08-04-2009 6:49pm

A brother in law of mine summed it up quite well I thought. He said that we hate the bl**dy Brits. Oh, the English, Scots, Welsh, are grand lads, but the bl**dy Brits...!

Actually I suspect it might be hard to find a Brit with a long family history (ie not an immigrant) who does not have Irish blood somewhere in his lineage, or for that matter an Irishman who doesn't have some English blood lurking there somewhere. After all, I understand that the Irish born population of London alone is greater than the population of Ireland.

Culturally, in our laws and in our language, we are very much closer to Britain, and to a lesser extent to the USA, that we will ever be to Europe. We have a democracy that is modeled on two of the oldest in the world (UK and USA), and we should cherish that and defend it. Put aside the Famine and the civil war. Those were generations past. Revere the people who then suffered, but move on. We could do with some friends at the moment!

Dudess · 08-04-2009 6:51pm

magick wrote: »

lol this thread is a joke right?!

No - title is badly phrased all right though.

ART6 · 08-04-2009 6:52pm

javaboy wrote: »

Reported.

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Reported for backseat smadminning

Extra: Can we suspend this thread and watch a mod dual?:D

*Better than the b****y budget, at least*

Dudess · 08-04-2009 6:54pm

Manly naked wrestling inspired by Oliver Reed and Alan Bates in Women in Love please!

Capt'n Midnight · 08-04-2009 7:04pm

ART6 wrote:

We have a democracy that is modeled on two of the oldest in the world (UK and USA), and we should cherish that and defend it.

we inherited the laws, in the same way that most of Europe inherited the Napoleonic code.

But our voting arrangements are very different because we use PR and we don't have a Two Party system
Our president doesn't have a lot of powers

Lirange · 08-04-2009 7:05pm

Dudess wrote: »

Manly naked wrestling inspired by Oliver Reed and Alan Bates in Women in Love please!

This explains everything you've ever posted in British themed threads.

Dudess · 08-04-2009 7:07pm

I'm not denying there's nothing I wouldn't do to/for a rugged, brooding, moody Englishman...

walshb · 08-04-2009 7:08pm

We are as a nation obsessed with the British; but, lets be honest, Britain has had such a major major impact on the WORLD, not just us. The whole world has some
affiliation to the Brits. Love them or hate them, they have shaped the world so much and imposed themselves in so many ways, good and bad. It is bound to rub off on
others!

javaboy · 08-04-2009 7:11pm

Dudess wrote: »

I'm not denying there's nothing I wouldn't do to/for a rugged, brooding, moody Englishman...

Rugged, brooding, moody Englishman.

Dudess · 08-04-2009 7:11pm

walshb wrote: »

We are as a nation obsessed with the British; but, lets be honest, Britain has had such a major major impact on the WORLD, not just us. The whole world has some
affiliation to the Brits. Love them or hate them, they have shaped the world so much and imposed themselves in so many ways, good and bad. It is bound to rub off on
others!

Spot-on. Britain may not be the super-power it once was, but its legacy lives on.

Lirange · 08-04-2009 7:15pm

Dudess wrote: »

I'm not denying there's nothing I wouldn't do to/for a rugged, brooding, moody Englishman...

7th wife of King Henry VIII in waiting.

Dudess · 08-04-2009 7:16pm

Gah... why do you have to ruin the fantasy!

javaboy wrote: »

Rugged, brooding, moody Englishman.

Indeed. And also...

OPENROAD · 08-04-2009 7:24pm

Zadkiel wrote: »

dublin to London 55mins

46 mins if you have a good tail wind.

Morag · 08-04-2009 8:16pm

Define british ? cos otherwise that includes scotish, welsh and manx as well as english.

OPENROAD · 08-04-2009 8:21pm

Sharrow wrote: »

Define british ? cos otherwise that includes scotish, welsh and manx as well as english.

you just have

raptorman · 08-04-2009 8:31pm

We are British as Ireland is part of the British Isles:D

Its the same as saying the French are European.

seanybiker · 08-04-2009 8:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

na i'd definately say the british are more british. it's all in the name really..

pretty simple really.
I think we are more Irish than the British to be honest.

live2thewire · 08-04-2009 8:34pm

raptorman wrote: »

We are British as Ireland is part of the British Isles:D

Its the same as saying the French are European.

no ireland is also european

are we more british than the british themselves?

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