Time for a General Election?

Nothingbetter2d

Time for a General Election?

Please just keep answers to just YES or NO

faceman

NO

We need all parties to come together to agree a strategy to tackle the crisis. let them keep their differences out of the public eye. It will help inject confidence and show the nation and international markets that we mean business.

When things settle, then call an election.

F1ngers

NO.

Does this belong in the Budget '09 forum

Hellrazer

General election??

Who is the alternative??
I cant see any of them being any better at the job in hand tbh.

I used to think that it was a case of FF out and anyone else in but the way I see it now is that there is no alternative.They`re all the same.

VinylJunkie

No

Do you think the oppositions parties want to be in government? Dont think so!

Nothingbetter2d

Hellrazer wrote: »

General election??

Who is the alternative??
I cant see any of them being any better at the job in hand tbh.

I used to think that it was a case of FF out and anyone else in but the way I see it now is that there is no alternative.They`re all the same.

which i think prooves why democracy really doesnt work lol

any idiot can run for election.... it should be changed to any suitablely qualified person can run for a government position (ie Finance Minister needs really good Accounting Quailifications)

Soby

No

Gob****es not in government == Gob****es in government
No one can do any better

sailinginblue

YES Of course these clowns have had enough time. The country has had enough.
Really how bad do have to do to get turfed out by the Irish people.
I don't live in Ireland any more but I hate to see these assholes dragging my country and it's people down so much. All the pride and innovation gone in a few months. Any other nation would have been on the streets and turfed them out. If nothing else marking the cards for the next set of Muppet's!
One simple fact. They increased the VAT rate before Dec 08.
By their own words that has costs us at least €700.
This is more than 1.5 Billion in a year, lost thousands of extra jobs and sent out the message that taxes are going up in this country.
What did they do to rectify that little blunder yesterday? Nothing.
Sorry, Goodbye.

oppiuy

Yes, sooner the better

Zynks

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

Time for a General Election?

Please just keep answers to just YES or NO

If you believe yesterday's measures and what is waiting for us in December will help fix things. If you are happy with property tax and screwing up families: NO

Otherwise: YES

deepriver

YES

if you answered NO to this thread and did not benefit directly from some relationship with Fiaana Fail over the past 10 years, you are a total and complete moron and need to be parted from every cent of your money and taken advantage of in every conceivable way as you are a liability to your country, your family and your friends

if Fianna Fail come back into power in this country within the next ten years I will be leaving and never coming back, and will go somewhere like France or Germany where they have a working governance system based on prudence and integrity

this country is a banana republic at present a point made in no uncertain terms by international credit rating agencies and we need a wholesale and fundemental change in our banking, regulatory and political systems

fianna fail and everyone related to that party needs to be removed as far away rom power as possible and we need a labour / green party coalition for 10 years plus to bring the country back to conservative and consciencious ways and build sustainable industries around green technologies and not property

faceman

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

any idiot can run for election.... it should be changed to any suitablely qualified person can run for a government position (ie Finance Minister needs really good Accounting Quailifications)

One of our previous Minister's for Justice, McDowell was a solicitor and yet he didnt make a very good Justice minister. Qualification doesnt always mean good leaders. (Michael O'Leary isnt a pilot afterall)

deepriver wrote: »

YES

if you answered NO to this thread and did not benefit directly from some relationship with Fiaana Fail over the past 10 years, you are a total and complete moron and need to be parted from every cent of your money and taken advantage of in every conceivable way as you are a liability to your country, your family and your friends

So who should we vote for in the general election instead that will fix the problem?

wrote:

if Fianna Fail come back into power in this country within the next ten years I will be leaving and never coming back, and will go somewhere like France or Germany where they have a working governance system based on prudence and integrity

Fianna Fail have been doing this in power for years, so why are you still here? France's unemployment rate has been higher than Ireland's for years until very recently. Have you your head in the sand?

wrote:

this country is a banana republic at present a point made in no uncertain terms by international credit rating agencies and we need a wholesale and fundemental change in our banking, regulatory and political systems

Um, we still have the second highest country rating. We had the highest country rating for 8 years. the government, whether it works or not has announced fundamental changes in the emergency budget.

Maybe come back with more relevent arguments dude.

jimmycrackcorm

NO. Calling for a general election every 5 minutes because you don't like policies or want to punish the government is simply pointless. If instead it would allow the opposition to pursue better policies that would get us out me the situation then that would be different. But as others have pointed out there is no alternative.

Zynks

There is always an excuse not to go for something different:

- Let them fix it first
- Times are good, why risk loosing it all
- There are no alternatives (even though the guys in power are largely responsible for the trouble)
- It would take a new government a long tome to get their act together

My conclusion: Irish people are not FF supporters, they are just scared ****less of change

ccguydub

YES

Sully

YES.

Fine Gael and Labour are the only alternative party which is willing to bite the bullet and clean up the mess we are in. FF have refused, even with yesterdays budget, to do just that. Instead we are making a big mess even bigger. FG and Labour *are* alternative solutions. They are *not* like FF and change IS and HAS BEEN needed for a long time, now more so then ever. It is not healthy that one party can be in government for so long and despite proving themselves worthless time and time again - people need a new government.

National government? Christ, FF wont work with any of the opposition as it is. Its clear the issue is the government and a national government will not address the problem - it will only make matters worse. This country needs change, it needs reform and it most certinally does not need FF. The budget is a drop in the ocean for reasons why they need to be kicked out of government. FF can not give us the change we need and the alternative partys are actually offering more.

The oppositions job IS TO biker, winge, complain and point out the mistakes the government have and are making. We would be fools to just cover our ears and eyes and hope it all goes away. We would be fools to just accept we have a problem and let those who got us into it make attempt after attempt after attempt to get us out of the mess. How many chances does a party need? We would be fools to demand the opposition ignore the ignorance and horrifying muck up the government are making of things. We would be fools to want them to help them out of the mess when we clearly need change.

This country needs a government with fresh ideas, fresh politics, balls and a new mandate. FG have been the party to really shine and show us not only what mistakes are being made but what they can and will do to get us out of this mess. They have an excellent team of vibrant, young, honest politicans who offer us real change. Sure the leader of the party might not "sound or look the part" (or be the next Obama) but he has shown his strengths as a leader of an opposition party and has pulled his party from the gutter creating a new strong team. As he said, its not "Yes we can" its "Yes we will".

Flip the coin and we have Labour. A party who has not been affraid to shout the loudest and give this government a grilling when its needed. A party where they have a strong voice and some very good candidates ready to take on the challenge that our country is in. Perhaps the most annoying in terms of loudness but the Labour party have been the only other opposition party to give this government such a grilling and to offer change to the people of Ireland.

Its been time for a general election for a while now folks. A united government will get us nowhere and FF are certinally not on the path to fixing our problems.

Carrickman

YES!

nesf

deepriver wrote: »

if you answered NO to this thread and did not benefit directly from some relationship with Fiaana Fail over the past 10 years, you are a total and complete moron and need to be parted from every cent of your money and taken advantage of in every conceivable way as you are a liability to your country, your family and your friends

Calling people morons because they don't follow your political beliefs is not acceptable in this forum. Whether your opinion is the majority opinion or not is irrelevant.

eoinbn

No. We need FF to be the ones to make the call to the IMF. If FG/Labour make it then we will be back here in 25 years with the next generation of FF clowns destroying the country.

Het-Field

faceman wrote: »

One of our previous Minister's for Justice, McDowell was a solicitor and yet he didnt make a very good Justice minister. Qualification doesnt always mean good leaders. (Michael O'Leary isnt a pilot afterall)



So who should we vote for in the general election instead that will fix the problem?



Fianna Fail have been doing this in power for years, so why are you still here? France's unemployment rate has been higher than Ireland's for years until very recently. Have you your head in the sand?



Um, we still have the second highest country rating. We had the highest country rating for 8 years. the government, whether it works or not has announced fundamental changes in the emergency budget.

Maybe come back with more relevent arguments dude.

What do you base your arguments regarding McDowell on ? Incidentally, McDowell is a barrister. Again, I feel you are one of those people who disliked him becasue it was fashionable to dislike him.

The reality was he was the first Reforming Minster for Justice this country has had in years.

The Criminal Justice Acts of 2006 and 2007 are testament to that.

He is one of the only world leaders who has taken action on immigration, ensuring that the judge made law of Lobe v Osyande was not the conerstone of our immigration policy (he abided by the constitution, and put it to the people in June 2004).

He properly tried to reform alcohol legislation. His attempts to put it in supermarkets (to increase competition), and his 24 Hour cafe bars idea (to bring Ireland towards a sustainable, sensible and European Liberal Policy) were some of the most innovative ideas towards alcohol regulation. Lenihan just sought to curtail opening hours, hike prices, and punish people for drinking outside of their homes (this has only served to force people to drink in their homes, while earlier closing times means more violence, more wanton destruction of public property, and more discomfort for all those who engage in nocturnal activities.

McDowell was a firm believer, proponent, and purchaser of the land for the building of Thornton Hall "Super Prison". Mountjoy is inadequate (no constitution changes vis sentencing could occur until the capacity is radically increased. Until then the country has no alternative but to operate a revolving door prison system), inhumane (no proper in cell sanitation facilities), and Dickensian to the core. The new prison would have catered for the distribution of mandatory sentence, and given a certain level of dignety to those imprisoned there.

Finally he exposed Gerry Adams as a complete spoofer. Adams has no political ideology beyond his nationalism, and McDowell exposed that in 2007. His last act was to jettison any development of Sinn Fein between 2007-2012

McDowell was beyond poor as a leader of the Progressive Democrats. He rubbed people up the wrong way, and his gung hoe arrogance led him to be widely disliked by the. His expulsion from the Dail was a stupid decision on the part of the people of Dublin South East. They deprived the country of a thinker and a reformer, who will shoot from the hip.

ShooterSF

No.

Let them swing a little longer. Let them make as much a mess as possible if it permanently stains FF and FSM willing sees the Greens go the way of the PDs.

Drakmord

YES,
Of course we should have a general election, the current government made **** of the public finances and now we have to pay to clean it up.
But I'd prefer to see Richard Bruton as Taoiseach as opposed to Enda Kenny.
He seems much more capable!

astrofool

No, lack of options being the problem.

I'd like to see Richard Bruton as finance minister, he seems to be willing to make the hard decisions. Seeing Enda Kenny as Taoisech, however, would be awful.

Labour are full of blow and short of idea's to actually do anything, they're really stuck trying to pander to everyone, which is a dangerous situation for a party to be in.

Luckily, the Greens will be f*cked out of it at the next election.

themadchef

YES

I'm sick to the back teeth of FF, they got us into this mess, and we're supposed to trust them? Come on people, we need reform. They are not a reform government, and confirmed that yeaterday. Time to give someone else a chance. They can hardly do any worse.

Tripmann

Get these clowns out NOW. They've crippled ordinary working people for the sakes of their party contributor buddies.

Would a labour coalition be any better? Who knows, but at least we would sink or swim trying to help EVERYBODY in our country.

Phonehead

My God YES, To all those people who don't rate Enda as leader.... seriously look who is leading us now, the guy who was the Minister for Finance who contributed to this mess.

O'Coonassa

What Earthly good would a general election do?

The division people appear to percieve between the parties is just a sham. The politicians are funded by vested interests not the People. How can they do the will of the People? We saw the politicians on the stage at the time of the Lisbon treaty, they are as one. It is foolish to believe in any substantive difference between them IMO.

2qk4u

YES !!

admiralofthefleet

no.
an all-party government is what we need at this time

Pappacharlie

Yes!

This government is tainted just like the bankers move them all on. The medicine will be the same from any new administration. At least we would not have to look at the likes of Cowen, Cullen, Dempsey and the Donegal Bimbo!!
Don't get me started on the GREENS!!

A snap election is the answer.

ART6

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

no.
an all-party government is what we need at this time

The UK did that in the Second World War, and because they were going down the pan fast in the fight against Hitler, it worked. But that is not where we are (yet). An all party government has no opposition to call it to task and question it's decisions, and we can't risk that with the people who are available to form a government at the moment.

Should there be a general election? Most certainly yes, because the present government has no mandate in this situation and should seek a new one. The IMF (It think?) have already said that some new faces are needed.