Limerick shooting

tech77

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/murdered-because-his-family-defied-gang-1705224.html

This poor guy was killed in broad daylight in a busy shopping centre.
The audacity of the crime is unbelievable- just down the road from the garda station.

Is anyone safe from these guys?

MIN2511

We will always be a violent nation, no one is safe anywhere -:(

Princess Jade

Bring back internment for crime peoples.

J
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Birdie086

Happened just barely round the corner from the 2nd biggest Garda station in the city. Craziness. Very busy takeaway right next to it. Tescos just behind where it happened. I often do my weekly shop there with my toddler in tow. Scary. unfortunatly this problem is not just confined to Limerick. Is nowhere safe anymore?

Dudess

I believe it's particularly severe in Limerick - that's not to say there are scumbags everywhere you look there obviously.

testicle

And all because he gave evidence against the scumbag traveller, Wayne Dundon, 4 years ago.

testicle

Dudess wrote: »

I believe it's particularly severe in Limerick - that's not to say there are scumbags everywhere you look there obviously.

Never heard of West Dublin? It's far worse than Limerick.

Fishtits

Shot in the back...

Your're Cowards, sad bastards...

Saibh

testicle wrote: »

And all because he gave evidence against the scumbag traveller, Wayne Dundon, 4 years ago.

It wasn't him who gave evidence, it was his cousin according to the newspaper

Mr Collins was brutally shot dead in the arcade he managed in the city because his cousin, Ryan Lee, gave evidence against criminal Wayne Dundon, a leading member of the notorious McCarthy-Dundon gang.

I would imagine it would put a lot of people off given evidence

Dudess

testicle wrote: »

Never heard of West Dublin?

No, never heard of it.

Birdie086

Dudess wrote: »

I believe it's particularly severe in Limerick - that's not to say there are scumbags everywhere you look there obviously.

Sorry but most of the population of Limerick go about there daily lives without any involvment, connection whatsoever. In fact most only read about it in newspapers same as the rest of the country.

Media are in love with the fued in limerick. Jump on it every time something happens. I'm sure they rub their hands in glee whenever something major happens.

I do realise the fued gives the media plenty of fodder but in fairness there is a lot more to Limerick

testicle

Saibh wrote: »

It wasn't him who gave evidence, it was his cousin according to the newspaper

True, my apologies.

HAPPYGIRL

Dudess wrote: »

I believe it's particularly severe in Limerick - that's not to say there are scumbags everywhere you look there obviously.

What is particularly severe in Limerick?

Dudess

The problem of gang violence.

Birdie086 wrote: »

Sorry but most of the population of Limerick go about there daily lives without any involvment, connection whatsoever.

Never said they didn't.

I do realise the fued gives the media plenty of fodder but in fairness there is a lot more to Limerick

Never said there wasn't.

Saibh

testicle wrote: »

True, my apologies.

It is sad though, that any relative is not safe if you had to evidence.

It would be a tough decision for someone to make - give evidence and make sure the person is sent to jail, or not give evidence and the criminal gets away with it.

testicle

Dudess wrote: »

The problem of gang violence.

Never said they didn't.

Never said there wasn't.

What's your point so?

Birdie086

Sorry maybe in all my waffle I didnt get my point accross properly, the problem isnt anymore severe than anywhere else in Ireland. Lawlessness is a major issue up and down the country. The fued is the media wet dream. When an act of violence occurs in Limerick the media always make sure to mention whether or not its fued related.

testicle

Indeed. There have been as many murders in Cork so far this year than there have been in Limerick. Up until this week, there were more in Cork.

Princess Jade

Dudess,

Give it up ffs.

J

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Karl Hungus

MIN2511 wrote: »

We will always be a violent nation, no one is safe anywhere -:(

A violent minority doesn't represent the entire nation, not by a long, long way.

Dudess

Um... is it not obvious? LOL at the defensiveness. Here's my point: it appears gang violence has become a considerable problem in Limerick - simple.

Disclaimer: That doesn't mean people can't go down the street without being attacked but there is a problem, and to say there isn't is just denial. At the same time, yes I've no doubt the media exaggerates things, but anyone with a hint of intelligence is aware the vast majority of Limerick people are decent and the vast majority of people's lives aren't touched directly by the violence. To say this has become quite the problem is not an attack on Limerick.

It's also disingenuous to say things are similar everywhere else - gang violence like this is not a problem in, for instance, Cork. Not saying that out of a sense of civic pride - I'm not remotely "proud" to be from Cork and if there were gang shootings in Cork I wouldn't have a problem saying so.

Birdie086

Karl Hungus wrote: »

A violent minority doesn't represent the entire nation, not by a long, long way.

thanks for that, I hate having justify being from Limerick. I love my city. Had a good childhood in Moyross and now live just outside of the city.
I'm not oblivious to what goes on but I hate the we are all tarred with the same brush!!!

Mr. Croft

Ah sure its grand its grand, isn't dublin and corks just as bad. I hate Limerick, it has a bad energy, has lots of good people too but it's the bad ones who stand out. Glad I moved, sorry if this gets up people noses but thats my honest opinion.

testicle

Headline Crimes per 1000 population (2007)

Dublin - North Central - 124.00
Dublin - South Central - 97.49
Dublin - Eastern - 23.84
Dublin - Southern - 23.80
Dublin - Western - 23.22
Dublin - Northern - 19.64
Cork City - 20.93 <- What's that Dudess ?
Waterford/Kilkenny - 20.05
Limerick City - 16.75

Karl Hungus

Birdie086 wrote: »

thanks for that, I hate having justify being from Limerick. I love my city. Had a good childhood in Moyross and now live just outside of the city.
I'm not oblivious to what goes on but I hate the we are all tarred with the same brush!!!

You're very welcome pleasedontstabme.

Dudess

To say feud/gang violence seems to be a problem in Limerick (not going by the media, going by word of mouth from people who live in Limerick) is not at all tarring all Limerick people with the same brush.

Dudess

testicle wrote: »

Cork City - 20.93 <- What's that Dudess ?

I'm referring specifically to gang/feud-related violence.

testicle

Dudess wrote: »

I'm referring specifically to gang/feud-related violence.

So you admit that Limerick is safer than Cork?

(Unless you happen to be in a gang, or have any connections to any gangland activities)

Birdie086

Dudess wrote: »

To say feud/gang violence seems to be a problem in Limerick (not going by the media, going by word of mouth from people who live in Limerick) is not at all tarring all Limerick people with the same brush.

I know I'm over senstitive so maybe I shouldnt comment. The media exagerrate this fued. Every time I'm away which is quite a lot the minute you introduce yourself as being from Limerick there is always a negative comment.

Maybe I'm just fed up of this and shouldnt be commenting on this forum cos my opionion is clouded by this

Blazer

Personally I'd have no problem if the Goverment sanctioned a special ops group to wipe them all out.
Hell..don't even bother even making it look like an accident..
Plus if they admitted...yes we took all those fcuking scumbags out, their approval ratings would go through the roof. They'd get my vote as bad as they are with the economy.

JerryHandbag

Princess Jade wrote: »

Dudess,

Give it up ffs.

J

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Give what up? Dudess is only sayin it like it is.

I'm from Limerick (county) and am disgusted at this cowardly murder, but it irks me every time theres a murder in Limerick you get people saying "Oh Cork is worse, oh Dublin is just as bad...." Who actually checks the figures as to how many murders there are in Cork/Dublin as a kind of point scoring thing?!

One murder in Limerick is one too many, regardless whats goin on in the rest of the country. Lets sort our own house out first and hunt down these animals. :mad:

testicle

Mathew Reilly wrote: »

Personally I'd have no problem if the Goverment sanctioned a special ops group to wipe them all out.

I don't think anyone would to be honest, with the exception of Richard Boyd-Barrett, Dana Rosemary the Scallion, Kathy Sinnott, and people of that ilk.

JerryHandbag wrote: »

Who actually checks the figures as to how many murders there are in Cork/Dublin as a kind of point scoring thing?!

I didn't have to check them, I had them to hand.

Dudess

Birdie086 wrote: »

I know I'm over senstitive so maybe I shouldnt comment. The media exagerrate this fued. Every time I'm away which is quite a lot the minute you introduce yourself as being from Limerick there is always a negative comment.

Maybe I'm just fed up of this and shouldnt be commenting on this forum cos my opionion is clouded by this

Well unfortunately there are idiots who'd say stuff like "Limerick people are scum" and that kind of nonsense, so yeah, from that perspective I'd understand defensiveness.

Blazer

testicle wrote: »

I don't think anyone would to be honest, with the exception of Richard Boyd-Barrett, Dana Rosemary the Scallion, Kathy Sinnott, and people of that ilk.

Typical do-gooders...gimps like those are the ones that let padeophiles/child molesters/rapists out on bail...their poor rights are being trampled on ec...does my head in.

Aidric

Dudess wrote: »

Limerick people are scum

Jeez, let it go already.

Saibh

Dudess wrote: »

Well unfortunately there are idiots who'd say stuff like "Limerick people are scum" and that kind of nonsense, so yeah, from that perspective I'd understand defensiveness.

Aidric wrote: »

Jeez, let it go already.

If you had quoted the rest of her post, you would see that she wasn't saying it herself, she was saying people in general were.

Dark_lord_ire

time to get tough on these guys and i mean gardai sit on them watch them dont let them p*ss in comfort, bring in laws that if you have convictions your dole is cut off and council house taken away. Then bring in 45 year terms in jail for murder and by jail i mean real jail no gym no cinema room a proper russian gulag for these guys.

Aidric

Saibh wrote: »

If you had quoted the rest of her post, you would see that she wasn't saying it herself, she was saying people in general were.

Oh dear.

Whosbetter?

I'm not from Limerick, but I've read things about why certain families behave like animals.
Is it because they're descended from the 'black and tans', or is it social deprivation, or is this traveler related, or all three?

Just curious to know what someone living there thinks or knows?

Dudess

Mathew Reilly wrote: »

Typical do-gooders...gimps like those are the ones that let padeophiles/child molesters/rapists out on bail...their poor rights are being trampled on etc

Do you really think they'd do that? In particular devout catholic Dana?

testicle wrote: »

So you admit that Limerick is safer than Cork?

Numbers of murders aren't an indication of level of safety.
And also:
Population of Limerick city: approx 91,000
Population of Cork city: approx 190,000

(Unless you happen to be in a gang, or have any connections to any gangland activities)

Yes, that's what I was originally referring to. What's wrong with simply saying I believe it's becoming quite the problem in Limerick? It's only you who's imbuing it with deeper meaning.

Whosbetter?

I'm not from Limerick, but I've read about why certain families behave like animals.
Is it because they're descended from the 'black and tans', or is it social deprivation, or is this traveler related, or all three?

Just curious to know what someone living there thinks or knows?

blogga

There will be an Irish response:
1. Much defence of Limerick with statistics etc.
2. Extra Garda patrols for a while
3. Speeches of condemnation
4. Money thrown at "deprived" areas
5. 12 year "life" sentences imposed if anyone can be convicted if anyone will give evidence if anyone will sit on a jury
6. Politicians will posture
7. Problem will recur
8. Perpetual analysis on whineline and boards ie

The solution is as old as the problem.

johnnyskeleton

Saibh wrote: »

I would imagine it would put a lot of people off given evidence

Put a lot of people off having cousins who give evidence is the point. It's one thing to worry about yourself, another to worry about your family & friends.

johnnyskeleton

testicle wrote: »

Headline Crimes per 1000 population (2007)

Dublin - North Central - 124.00
Dublin - South Central - 97.49
Dublin - Eastern - 23.84
Dublin - Southern - 23.80
Dublin - Western - 23.22
Dublin - Northern - 19.64
Cork City - 20.93 <- What's that Dudess ?
Waterford/Kilkenny - 20.05
Limerick City - 16.75

So south and east have higher crime rates than north and west dublin?

Where are the stats from?

Dark_lord_ire

testicle wrote: »

Headline Crimes per 1000 population (2007)

Dublin - North Central - 124.00
Dublin - South Central - 97.49
Dublin - Eastern - 23.84
Dublin - Southern - 23.80
Dublin - Western - 23.22
Dublin - Northern - 19.64
Cork City - 20.93 <- What's that Dudess ?
Waterford/Kilkenny - 20.05
Limerick City - 16.75

headline crime includes things like prostitution as well as assaults that cause harm so can we seriously say thats the same as murder?? stats can be used to distort fact 62% of people know that

Fizman

Mathew Reilly wrote: »

Personally I'd have no problem if the Goverment sanctioned a special ops group to wipe them all out.
Hell..don't even bother even making it look like an accident..
Plus if they admitted...yes we took all those fcuking scumbags out, their approval ratings would go through the roof. They'd get my vote as bad as they are with the economy.

+1
I'd be in the queue to sign up to this special ops team too.

I have lived in Limerick for 26 years, that being my entire life. I have not once, in all the nights out and wanderings around the city, come close to these scumbags.

It truly sickens my sh1t that these dirty filthy rat b&stards have given Limerick this 'image'. It also sickens my sh1t that because of this 'image', there now seems to be a nationwide assumption that walking through Limerick is the equivalent to staring death in the face. FFS, how many murders have occurred in Dublin this year? Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't it come close to something like one a week?? How many in Limerick??

These putrid sacks of dirt are hidden away for the most part, but as soon as they do something, the media pounce on it and Limerick will again be subject to headlines such as 'a city in turmoil' or 'turf wars rip through limerick yet again'.

Its so very fcuking tiring.

Dudess

Fizman wrote: »

there now seems to be a nationwide assumption that walking through Limerick is the equivalent to staring death in the face.

Only idiots would make such an assumption. Give reasonable people credit where credit's due.

FFS, how many murders have occurred in Dublin this year? Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't it come close to something like one a week?? How many in Limerick??

To be fair, seeing as Dublin's population is so much bigger than Limerick's, the percentage probably works out the same.

Fizman

Dudess wrote: »

To be fair, seeing as Dublin's population is so much bigger than Limerick's, the percentage probably works out the same.

This doesn't hold water with me I'm afraid. A life is a life, regardless of location, population density etc.

I'm beginning to think Limerick people should almost be a little chuffed. In some strange way, when someone gets killed in this city, the death seems to be far more important an issue than someone getting killed anywhere else.

seanybiker

Fishtits wrote: »

Shot in the back...

Your're Cowards, sad bastards...

Complete cowards and bitches in my books. If they were so scary why dont they use their fists rather than being a bitch and using a weapon from behind. They would more than likely get the head bet off them. Hopefully though a few more of the wannabe tough guys will die in a really horrible , painful and slow way. Nob heads the lot of them.

Overheal

blogga wrote: »

There will be an Irish response:
1. Much defence of Limerick with statistics etc.
2. Extra Garda patrols for a while
3. Speeches of condemnation
4. Money thrown at "deprived" areas
5. 12 year "life" sentences imposed if anyone can be convicted if anyone will give evidence if anyone will sit on a jury
6. Politicians will posture
7. Problem will recur
8. Perpetual analysis on whineline and boards ie
9. Post similar American tragedies; deny Ireland has a problem.

The solution is as old as the problem.

FYP

seanybiker

Overheal wrote: »

FYP

Whats that mean?