Limerick shooting

Saibh

seanybiker wrote: »

Whats that mean?

fixed your post

seanybiker

Saibh wrote: »

fixed your post

Ah right. Seen it loads of times just never figured it out. Thank you

Overheal

when in doubt, google. The Acronym Dictionary is dreadfully handy

seanybiker

Overheal wrote: »

when in doubt, google. The Acronym Dictionary is dreadfully handy

Too much hassle when using me phone. If the page doesnt have mobile version it just wrecks me bulb.

blogga

Overheal wrote: »

FYP

You didn't fix my post.
You apparently added number 9 to what I said.
Thats not a fix.
Its an ADDITION. A CHANGE.
And the way it now appears is as if I said number 9 when I didnt.
Which is unusual.

Overheal

All of this off topic banter, only to distract yourself from admitting that its true.

seanybiker

Overheal wrote: »

All of this off topic banter, only to distract yourself from admitting that its true.

the one ya added is through in all fairness. Something happens here. Ah sure its worse in blaa blaa. A few posts already trying to say dublin is this limerick is that. No matter where it happens, the people that done it are still arseholes.

ynotdu

Lets dispense with the nonsense about Limerick(I am a Dub by the way)A circle of voilence can start and escalate anywhere.

Taking another persons life is murder anywhere.

Judges often lock up good&courageous people for refusing to give evidence,less often for withdrawing a statement.

Facts are these scumbag murderers will kill someone You love as revenge so unless You are devoid of friends or family no matter how willing You are to put Your own life on the line it may be that they kill someone belong to You.

The guards or the judge can give no guarantee of safety,even though they have goaded witness,s to their death or a murder of a loved one.

A policy of shoot to kill was tried in the six countie,s by the s.a.s,many innocents died.

Internment was tried failed miserbly(except in the early days of the foundation of the 26 county state)

I dont know the answers,only the questions,I do no pope John Paul 2nd asked that murder never be called by any other name than murder.(I am agnostic)

Fresh thinking needed as to how to deal with the uncivilised ?
This thread had gone way off topic from the OP.

Rayan

Mathew Reilly wrote: »

Personally I'd have no problem if the Goverment sanctioned a special ops group to wipe them all out.
Hell..don't even bother even making it look like an accident..
Plus if they admitted...yes we took all those fcuking scumbags out, their approval ratings would go through the roof. They'd get my vote as bad as they are with the economy.

You can dream about a "special ops" squad assassinating every single one of them - but will the problem go away? Not a chance, the next generation of them will be along in 10 years and we'll have the exact same problem.

Why? Because the structure is in place in Irish and UK society that allows lunatics like this to reproduce, and ENCOURAGES and REWARDS them. I can almost guarantee you that most of these criminals come from broken homes, single mothers, parents arguing, alcoholic/junkie parents etc.

Target that structure and repair, disincentivizing people of this nature ^ from having children at all would be a much more effective long-term solution in my opinion.

S.I.R

why does this seem to suit limerick so well ??


all i need is some tupac music and RTE has its new crime drama... :rolleyes:

ynotdu

S.I.R wrote: »

why does this seem to suit limerick so well ??


all i need is some tupac music and RTE has its new crime drama... :rolleyes:

guess You need Your very big house to fit Your ego?

chughes

Although talk of a special ops squad is fancyful thinking, on a serious level the government will have to take steps to deal with this. In 1996 the then government set up the CAB after the murder of Veronica Guerin. This has been very effective in making sure that crime doesn't pay. We now have a situation where these people think themselves beyond the rule of law. The government has to decide who is in charge in this country, the government or the scumbags.

Turd Ferguson

If we just leave it be they will eventually all kill each other, so it will work out in the end.

S.I.R

ynotdu wrote: »

guess You need Your very big house to fit Your ego?

Oh Aye Its Massive Like Your Capital Letters So You Can Put Emphasis On Your Jokes/Sarcasm

Crann na Beatha

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WooPeeA

It doesn't make any difference if that was beside Garda station or not. Why a man with a gun in his hand should be afraid of policeman whose the only weapon from distance against him is to throw a rock and run away.

testicle

Dudess wrote: »

Numbers of murders aren't an indication of level of safety.
And also:
Population of Limerick city: approx 91,000
Population of Cork city: approx 190,000

Go back and read it again. It was the number of headline crimes per 1000 population. Cork is still higher.

Lizzykins

I'd be on for a special ops groups myself because nothing else seems to be working. Unless you go for internment which Dermot Ahern seems to have ruled out. Am I the only one who thinks that the 'motive' for the murder seems a bit shaky? Your COUSIN giving evidence against a criminal FOUR years ago. Bit too tenuous a link I think. Poor guy probably offended one of these sickos in the pub or amusement arcade.

Dudess

testicle wrote: »

Go back and read it again. It was the number of headline crimes per 1000 population. Cork is still higher.

Fair enough - sorry.

Lizzykins wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks that the 'motive' for the murder seems a bit shaky?

Hardly...

Your COUSIN giving evidence against a criminal FOUR years ago. Bit too tenuous a link I think.

Well that's the point - the exceedingly trivial nature of the reason is absolutely shocking. But scumbags do operate that way - offend them and they punish a family member. It's an old trick.

source

Originally Posted by Dudess
Numbers of murders aren't an indication of level of safety.
And also:
Population of Limerick city: approx 91,000
Population of Cork city: approx 190,000

Actually i think you'll find that the crime figures are given for the Limerick city Garda area, which covers a large area of county Limerick surrounding the city and even extends into Co. Clare,(Cratloe to past Castleconnell, and Ardnacrusha to Patrickswell) so the actual figure rises from a population in the city limits of around 60 to 70,000 to over 190,000 this is why the city has been pushing for a boundary extension for so many years.

this is why the figures always seem so much higher when people talk about crime in Limerick, while a crime happens in the "Greater Limerick Area" so to speak, the media come out with Limerick city, and everyone thinks that it is happening in the city centre.

as a point of interest, most people who aren't from Limerick, don't know that Moyross was in fact county Limerick up until recent times when it and Caherdavin were brought within the city boundary, yet any crimes committed in this area were attributed to the city.

now i'm not saying there isn't a problem and personally i'd love to see every last one of these assholes behind bars, but i'm just saying that the figures are skewed slightly from the truth and what's reported.

Limerick Dude

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

If we just leave it be they will eventually all kill each other, so it will work out in the end.

Wishful thinking.

Sure its coming to a stage where innocent people are being killed who are not even involved in the feud.

Shane Geoghgan was the biggest example of that and now we have another that just happened recently.

Turd Ferguson

Limerick Dude wrote: »

Sure its coming to a stage where innocent people are being killed who are not even involved in the feud.

How do you know he is an innocent victim? For all you know he could have been using his arcade for transporting drugs or guns or something for a rival gang, or maybe he was messing around with the wife of one of the bosses.

Darragh29

testicle wrote: »

And all because he gave evidence against the scumbag traveller, Wayne Dundon, 4 years ago.

Your man got shot dead for saying less...

bobbly

it has happened before and will happen again. we're used to it by now?

Darragh29

I personally think that at the highest political level, a special military taskgroup should be set up, something that will never get into the public domain or be acknowledged to in the future, to set up a sniper team to take out these people. There should be a list created of the top 20 gangland figures in the state and a decision should be made to target them for execution and by doing so, capitate their organisations. This should be done to protect the common good, as it seems that the law as it stands is simply unable to deal with them and now that innocent people are getting shot dead by them, I think it's time to take off the gloves and have ourselves a reality check.

blogga

Overheal wrote: »

All of this off topic banter, only to distract yourself from admitting that its true.

You have incorrectly identified my reply as banter which implies humour. I amn't distracting mysef from anything, simply focussing on the unusual aspect of your reply where you seemed to be able to edit my answer and make it look like I said something I didn't. I have no idea if the number 9 you added is true or false; I don't care. You should simply state it as your view and not misrepresent me by making it appear as if I said it. I hope you followed all that.

CHealy

foinse wrote: »

Actually i think you'll find that the crime figures are given for the Limerick city Garda area, which covers a large area of county Limerick surrounding the city and even extends into Co. Clare,(Cratloe to past Castleconnell, and Ardnacrusha to Patrickswell) so the actual figure rises from a population in the city limits of around 60 to 70,000 to over 190,000 this is why the city has been pushing for a boundary extension for so many years.

this is why the figures always seem so much higher when people talk about crime in Limerick, while a crime happens in the "Greater Limerick Area" so to speak, the media come out with Limerick city, and everyone thinks that it is happening in the city centre.

as a point of interest, most people who aren't from Limerick, don't know that Moyross was in fact county Limerick up until recent times when it and Caherdavin were brought within the city boundary, yet any crimes committed in this area were attributed to the city.

now i'm not saying there isn't a problem and personally i'd love to see every last one of these assholes behind bars, but i'm just saying that the figures are skewed slightly from the truth and what's reported.

You could say dat about Cork and even Dublin aswell bth.

Areas such as Glanmire, Ballincollig, Grange, Douglas, Passage West ..... all have crime problems but are not listed in the city boundries of Cork even though they are well in the city at this stage, which would bring the population of the city up to about 280,000. So what your saying is goin on in every city.

gazzer

Birdie086 wrote: »

Sorry but most of the population of Limerick go about there daily lives without any involvment, connection whatsoever. In fact most only read about it in newspapers same as the rest of the country.

Media are in love with the fued in limerick. Jump on it every time something happens. I'm sure they rub their hands in glee whenever something major happens.

I do realise the fued gives the media plenty of fodder but in fairness there is a lot more to Limerick

I read comments like this a lot but the thing that I dont understand is that the people responsible for the shootings, setting kids on fire in cars etc all live in the same area /estate/part of Limerick. Its not like Dublin where there are gangs dotted around various parts of the city. Limerick is a lot smaller than Dublin in population and for all the people posting about Limerick getting a bad name surely you must agree that there are a lot of scumbags in Limerick. You dont hear of kids getting set on fire in cars in Galway, Cork, Sligo, Donegal etc. Limerick has a problem, a big one. As does Dublin. There is no point in going on about how hard done by Limerick is in regards to media coverage. There are inbred scumbags in Limerick who have once again brought tragedy onto an innocent family.

If these scumbags all live in the same general area surely it must be easier for the authorities to round them up and put them away. Why are the decent people of Limerick not marching to O'Malley Park and the other areas demanding justice and for these b*stards to be put away.

Once again an innocent family in Limerick are mouring the death of a child. When does this end?

thelordofcheese

Darragh29 wrote: »

There should be a list created of the top 20 gangland figures in the state and a decision should be made to target them for execution and by doing so, capitate their organisations.

Does the phrase "Power vacuum" mean anything to you?

I love these threads, they're like a competition to see who can come up with the least plausible solution.

Personally, i think a black ops squad is too soft and we need to genetically engineer a squad of velociraptors. That'll get the job done.

Darragh29

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Does the phrase "Power vacuum" mean anything to you?

I love these threads, they're like a competition to see who can come up with the least plausible solution.

Personally, i think a black ops squad is too soft and we need to genetically engineer a squad of velociraptors. That'll get the job done.

Well what is going to happen if the state doesn't get a handle on this, is the operational strength of these gangs is going to grow and grow and it won't just be a Limerick problem anymore. My solution is a black ops type tactical operation to take out the leaders and if anyone wants to fill the power vacuum, then they get added to the hitlist and eventually people will get the message.

Overheal

+1 for velocirator seek and destroy squadron, but only if we modify them with wings and a second mouth like in Alien.

DrumSteve

everyone is real tough behind a computer but would you go before a court like this guy? his family can be proud of him but the thing is the guy who got shot.... that guy had ****in huge cajonies goin up to testify against them. but look where it got him. he's on a slab now.

so the state needs to do one of two things a) either afford it citizens realistic protection in the face of gangs or b) inter every person suspected of being involved in this until they can prove their innocence. there is no use pandering to these people. i know the cops wont to go after them but it seems to me like they are being restrained. they know who they are so just go get them.

sometimes civil liberties are a burden that have to be set aside for the greater good.

Eoin

Darragh29 wrote: »

Well what is going to happen if the state doesn't get a handle on this, is the operational strength of these gangs is going to grow and grow and it won't just be a Limerick problem anymore. My solution is a black ops type tactical operation to take out the leaders and if anyone wants to fill the power vacuum, then they get added to the hitlist and eventually people will get the message.

Maybe you should take a break from the Tom Clancy books for a bit.

Darragh29

DrumSteve wrote: »

everyone is real tough behind a computer but would you go before a court like this guy? his family can be proud of him but the thing is the guy who got shot.... that guy had ****in huge cajonies goin up to testify against them. but look where it got him. he's on a slab now.

so the state needs to do one of two things a) either afford it citizens realistic protection in the face of gangs or b) inter every person suspected of being involved in this until they can prove their innocence. there is no use pandering to these people. i know the cops wont to go after them but it seems to me like they are being restrained. they know who they are so just go get them.

sometimes civil liberties are a burden that have to be set aside for the greater good.

Exactly, and that man who got blown away was paying his taxes to a state to protect him from the kind of people who shot him in the back. Likewise I'm paying the state to manage resources to deal with these kind of situations. Like everything else in this country, we let things get to a point where we are then unable to fix them, it was the exact same with hospital waiting lists, property prices, mass unemployment which is now back to haunt us for a second time in twenty years, no matter what it is in this country, it is allowed fester and get out of hand and then there is a big national outrage when the problem eventually gets so big, we are not able to accept it or cope with it. The problem can be traced back to a lack of a political will and determination to just sort the f*cking problem out.

I pay my taxes as did the deceased man in question here, as have had many innocent victims before him. Now I frankly don't give a rats ass how the government go about tackling this issue or the other issues that are plaguing us, we are paying them hansomly to manage the country and we don't have a big ask here... All most people in this country want is a safe place to live and a method of sustaining a reasonably moderate standard of living by virtue of being employed.

So what the big f*cking problem with managing this problem or the other problems scourging us in this country is just completely beyond me and has been for years. Like everything else that goes on in this country, it is harder to deal with now because the problem was not managed when it was a smaller problem.

Why we tolerate this approach to solving problems in this country, from the highest paid politicians in Europe, is something I will never get my head around.

Darragh29

eoin wrote: »

Maybe you should take a break from the Tom Clancy books for a bit.

Never even heard of the author. I don't read fiction.

Saibh

Darragh29 wrote: »

Never even heard of the author. I don't read fiction.

If you have never heard of Tom Clancy, how do you know he write fiction?

oldyouth

Deepest sympathies to his family.

His cousin did a very brave thing in testifying and it probably saved some lives having that scumbag off the streets. The witness should not have had to pay the price of losing a relative. It is very important, as a society, that we find and punish the culprit. If people stop testifying against these people, we are all doomed

Darragh29

Saibh wrote: »

If you have never heard of Tom Clancy, how do you know he write fiction?

He suggested it was a work of fiction by implying that my opinions were not realistic with regard to the thread topic, which is based on non-fiction.

Eoin

Darragh29 wrote: »

Never even heard of the author. I don't read fiction.

Well, you're writing a good bit here.

old boy

all this feuding involves travlers as far as i know, how will it end, it will never end, why there is too much money to be made, maybe as much as the developers and the bankers make (made) i dont see much effort being made to clean that lot out, limerick has a very high student population, who the majority by nature or otherwise experiment with most things, the likes of dell closing will hit that particular market a little.

Darragh29

eoin wrote: »

Well, you're writing a good bit here.

Good lad.

ejmaztec

I think that these "communities" have always been skirted around and pretty much left to their own devices all over the country, treated with kid-gloves by everyone. Protected species comes to mind. While you don't hear a peep out of many of them, there is this ultra-violent element that is now costing us a lot of money.

zig

Absolute scum bullying the citizens of this city, this is the second time in months that an innocent life was taken cause of this sh1t, personally I think this case is even worse as someone was doing the right thing and standing up and testifying and he paid the price.

It seems the gardai cant protect us anymore, Im not saying there doing a bad job, its just they can only do so much within the law.

Its times like these that call for a vigilante group to take these people out. Sounds childish but its actually the only solution at this stage.

stainluss

testicle wrote: »

And all because he gave evidence against the scumbag traveller, Wayne Dundon, 4 years ago.

i guess the only thing you can learn from it is, dont give evidence against the scum.

stainluss

zig wrote: »

Absolute scum bullying the citizens of this city, this is the second time in months that an innocent life was taken cause of this sh1t, personally I think this case is even worse as someone was doing the right thing and standing up and testifying and he paid the price.

It seems the gardai cant protect us anymore, Im not saying there doing a bad job, its just they can only do so much within the law.

Its times like these that call for a vigilante group to take these people out. Sounds childish but its actually the only solution at this stage.

it seems bad that this guy was killed because of the structure of the justice system.
need more cctv i guess?

zig

stainluss wrote: »

it seems bad that this guy was killed because of the structure of the justice system.
need more cctv i guess?

Maybe it would help, but overall I think these people need to be just removed from society.
It was like the time Keane walked free after murdering because all of the witnesses suddenly got amnesia.

ejmaztec

zig wrote: »

Maybe it would help, but overall I think these people need to be just removed from society.
It was like the time Keane walked free after murdering because all of the witnesses suddenly got amnesia.

They're probably still alive, and glad they kept their mouths shut.

zig

ejmaztec wrote: »

They're probably still alive, and glad they kept their mouths shut.

thats my point, its madness that these people have control over the law, they can eliminate witnesses with death threats and can control the outcome of a trial. Its absolute insanity.

Manic Moran

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I love these threads, they're like a competition to see who can come up with the least plausible solution.

Just nuke the place from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

NTM

n0fX

Rayan wrote: »

Why? Because the structure is in place in Irish and UK society that allows lunatics like this to reproduce, and ENCOURAGES and REWARDS them. I can almost guarantee you that most of these criminals come from broken homes, single mothers, parents arguing, alcoholic/junkie parents etc.

Target that structure and repair, disincentivizing people of this nature ^ from having children at all would be a much more effective long-term solution in my opinion.

You mean like a Final solution?