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Hybrid Bird Flu about to be released?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,487 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    nodolan wrote: »
    If you can't see the irrationality and lack of logical thinking displayed there I really don't have any more to say to you. :confused:
    You mean asking for someone to back up their claims with verifiable evidence from a neutral, reliable source is lacking in logic and irrational?

    Right....


  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    King Mob wrote: »
    You mean asking for someone to back up their claims with verifiable evidence from a neutral, reliable source is lacking in logic and irrational?

    Right....
    :confused:

    You really believe that there's such a source?

    You believe government agencies? Big pharma backed studies?

    Wow!! You're dumber than I had originally thought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,487 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    nodolan wrote: »
    :confused:

    You really believe that there's such a source?

    You believe government agencies? Big pharma backed studies?

    Wow!! You're dumber than I had originally thought.
    No I believe peer reviewed papers.

    How do you know that big pharma back and control every single study?

    Do you believe the people selling alternative medicine without question?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    Bush Minor suggested that an outbreak would justify the implementation of martial law.


    By the way, Spanish flu as mentioned by Bush has nothing to do with Spain, it was caused by the forced vaccinations of US military men, some of whom dropped dead immediatedely after recieving the vaccination.
    BUSH: And who best to be able to effect a quarantine?
    One option is the use of a military that's able to plan and move. So that's why I put it on the table. I think it's an important debate for Congress to have.
    I noticed the other day, evidently, some governors didn't like it. I understand that. I was the commander in chief of the National Guard and proudly so. And, frankly, I didn't want the president telling me how to be the commander in chief of the Texas Guard.
    But Congress needs to take a look at circumstances that may need to vest the capacity of the president to move beyond that debate. And one such catastrophe or one such challenge could be an avian flu outbreak.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    nodolan wrote: »
    Interesting argument and looks solid at first glance but falls down when you take a closer look. Ever since the discovery/invention of antibiotics and more advanced medical procedures fewer and fewer people have died from flu and what not. Hardly anyone ever dies from the plague any more yet that killed millions way back when. TB was eradicated here in Ireland and Smallpox was eradicated worldwide. The arrival of a variant strain of flu is not a big issue but what is a big issue is the arrival of a strain of flu that seems to be made of three completely different strains.

    Ah so simple antibiotics would have stopped all these diseases that killed millions. We wouldn't need any specific medication at all. Pity that isn't true.
    nodolan wrote: »
    There is a lot of evidence to show that big pharma have on numerous occasions deliberately released new and/or mutated virii into the wild for their own profit-making ends - polio vaccines being the biggest and most public example (they even made movies about some of the bigger incidents).

    Lot's of evidence eh. What you'll supply no doubt. Not saying it couldn't happen. But I'd rather put my faith in tested science that hearsay.
    nodolan wrote: »
    But in all fairness tallaght01 you're 100% biased. You've been through a system of education that has indoctrinated you to believe certain things and the fact that you went to med school in the first place could be taken as an indicator of your socio-economic status which in turn would say a lot as to your disposition towards such threads as these.

    Coming from a guy promoting an alternative health website. What is it about people in here and their lack of understanding irony.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,487 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    By the way, Spanish flu as mentioned by Bush has nothing to do with Spain, it was caused by the forced vaccinations of US military men, some of whom dropped dead immediatedely after recieving the vaccination.
    What actually happened was Bush give them super serum turning them all into supersoldiers. And to cover up this they spread the rumour these soldiers were dead.

    Bet I have more evidence than you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    King Mob wrote: »
    No I believe peer reviewed papers.

    How do you know that big pharma back and control every single study?

    Do you believe the people selling alternative medicine without question?

    Ya see this is where your dishonesty shines through - I never said 'every single study' - you're inflating the issue and trying to make dramatic sweeping statements regarding what I've said in an attempt to detract from it (and to detract from your own inability to present a solid rebuff) - just like meglome who obviously hasn't bothered reading the whole thread and just throws in what he thinks will be suitably sarcastic and caustic statements in the hope that he'll look tough and get away with being ignorant.

    I've already posted in another thread that I have done years of research (almost 20 years) into alternative medicines and supplements. Recently I did some research into dental implants. When I approached one medical company a highly qualified dental surgeon lied point blank to me about certain types of implants. I was able to quote peer reviewed papers to contradict him and obviously won't be availing of his services.

    I have a 3rd level diploma in Satellite, GPS and GSM Comms, an honours degree in Computer Science, a 1st Class H.Dip. in Sociology and I'm doing an MA in Sociology. Next I'll be studying for the bar. I happen to be a big supporter of science and technology but I don't believe every word they say - I don't believe anyone without doing my own research.

    As for peer reviewed papers - even they have been found to be flawed. I'm not going to give you examples - do your own research and educate yourself (like I've done).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,487 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    nodolan wrote: »
    Ya see this is where your dishonesty shines through - I never said 'every single study' - you're inflating the issue and trying to make dramatic sweeping statements regarding what I've said in an attempt to detract from it (and to detract from your own inability to present a solid rebuff).

    I've already posted in another thread that I have done years of research (almost 20 years) into alternative medicines and supplements. Recently I did some research into dental implants. When I approached one medical company a highly qualified dental surgeon lied point blank to me about certain types of implants. I was able to quote peer reviewed papers to contradict him and obviously won't be availing of his services.

    I have a 3rd level diploma in Satellite, GPS and GSM Comms, an honours degree in Computer Science, a 1st Class H.Dip. in Sociology and I'm doing an MA in Sociology. Next I'll be studying for the bar. I happen to be a big supporter of science and technology but I don't believe every word they say - I don't believe anyone without doing my own research.

    As for peer reviewed papers - even they have been found to be flawed. I'm not going to give you examples - do your own research and educate yourself (like I've done).
    Wow anecdotes and evidence you can't show!
    Convincing.

    So how do you know that all this anti vaccination stuff is true?
    Do you just believe everything people tell you as long as it's a conspiracy?


  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    King Mob wrote: »
    Wow anecdotes and evidence you can't show!
    Convincing.

    So how do you know that all this anti vaccination stuff is true?
    DO you just believe everything people tell you as long as it's a conspiracy?

    Now you're just repeating yourself ad nauseum and adding a sprinkling of sarcasm (or attempting to anyway) so I really will cease replying to you and anyone else who has nothing concrete to say otherwise it's just an exercise in reductio ad absurdum.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,487 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    nodolan wrote: »
    Now you're just repeating yourself ad nauseum and adding a sprinkling of sarcasm (or attempting to anyway) so I really will cease replying to you and anyone else who has nothing concrete to say otherwise it's just an exercise in reductio ad absurdum.
    Oh hey you know what'd be an actual rebuff to my arguments?
    Backing you your claim with verifiable evidence.

    But why answer anyone who questions you, right?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    King Mob wrote: »
    What actually happened was Bush give them super serum turning them all into supersoldiers. And to cover up this they spread the rumour these soldiers were dead.

    Bet I have more evidence than you.

    Must have gone back in time then, the outbreak was in 1918.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,487 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Must have gone back in time then, the outbreak was in 1918.
    So not backing up your claim then?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    nodolan wrote: »
    it's just an exercise in reductio ad absurdum.
    what he said
    King Mob wrote: »
    So not backing up your claim then?
    which one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,487 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    which one?
    That Spanish flu was caused by force vaccinations. And that some of those soldiers dropped dead immediately.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    King Mob wrote: »
    Do you just believe everything people tell you as long as it's a conspiracy?

    On this topic at least that a bit rich as history has shown that in relation to influenza pandemics that you should not believe anything the government tells you.

    you appear to though, why?

    There is nothing concrete to suggest that this outbreak is abnormal yet, except of course that Mexican chap who died the day after meeting Obama, what would you put this down to?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,487 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    On this topic at least that a bit rich as history has shown that in relation to influenza pandemics that you should not believe anything the government tells you.
    Care to elaborate that or back it up?
    you appear to though, why?
    Usually the government doesn't rely on bad logic to make up for lack of evidence.
    There is nothing concrete to suggest that this outbreak is abnormal yet, except of course that Mexican chap who died the day after meeting Obama, what would you put this down to?
    The flu maybe?
    Is the only explanation that it's a conspiracy of some kind?


  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    On this topic at least that a bit rich as history has shown that in relation to influenza pandemics that you should not believe anything the government tells you.

    you appear to though, why?

    There is nothing concrete to suggest that this outbreak is abnormal yet, except of course that Mexican chap who died the day after meeting Obama, what would you put this down to?
    It does occur to me that this is a great way to combat the crime and drugs issues 'plaguing' Mexico. ;)

    p.s. You really are wasting your time with that other guy (and a few others) as they'll just keep saying the same stuff over and over again and never fully address anything you say. Death by a thousand paper cuts. But it's your life so...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,487 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    nodolan wrote: »

    p.s. You really are wasting your time with that other guy (and a few others) as they'll just keep saying the same stuff over and over again and never fully address anything you say. Death by a thousand paper cuts. But it's your life so...
    That's right backing up your claims is completely unimportant as long as there's a conspiracy.

    Never question the conspiracy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    nodolan wrote: »
    Wow!! You're dumber than I had originally thought.

    Infracted


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    King Mob wrote: »
    Care to elaborate that or back it up?

    http://www.rense.com/general45/USvaccinescaused.htm
    King Mob wrote: »
    Usually the government doesn't rely on bad logic to make up for lack of evidence.

    Usually? care to omit the "usually" or retract that statement because as is it means fect all
    King Mob wrote: »
    Is the only explanation that it's a conspiracy of some kind?

    Nope. As I said there is nothing abnormal as of yet.

    But start looking at the big picture, think about all the micro-biologists that have died in strange circumanstances in the last 10 years.
    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/deadbiologists.html

    Think of "I am a Zionist" Biden's projections of Obama's big test. When is his 100th day in office again?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    bonkey wrote: »
    Infracted

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,487 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    First major problem for this, linking an increase in typhoid during a war to vaccines.
    Typhoid is a completely disease to the flu, and is transmitted by unsanitary conditions. It has nothing to do with the vaccines.
    This article is confusing correlation and causation.
    Also the link leads to a site promoting homeopathy, so obviously the site is too big on science.

    Usually? care to omit the "usually" or retract that statement because as is it means fect all
    No because there are tons of times the government uses bad logic.
    Most of the time they don't and they usually have the evidence to back them up.
    Nope. As I said there is nothing abnormal as of yet.
    And what lead you to believe there be something abnormal.
    But start looking at the big picture, think about all the micro-biologists that have died in strange circumanstances in the last 10 years.
    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/deadbiologists.html
    I think this came up before.

    But looking at the list to verify the cause of death we get only get two that weren't from conspiracy sites:
    Don C. Wiley: Accident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_C._Wiley
    Vladimir Pasechnik: Stroke http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Pasechnik

    And this is even before looking into the actual work they where doing.

    I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find a list of dentists with similar "suspicious deaths."
    Think of "I am a Zionist" Biden's projections of Obama's big test. When is his 100th day in office again?
    The crazy Biden giving away the NWO secret plans. But luckily he was very vague so his "prediction" could have been applied to anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,487 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    nodolan wrote: »
    Totally worth it. :D

    And while I'm at it - here's a free DVD called 'In Lies We Trust':





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    That's right making profit makes you evil and the only explanation is that it's a conspiracy.
    But remember 5 dollars off new customers at iherb!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    okay, KM neither of us can conlusively prove our sides.

    I am open minden either way, as is Indonesia's Health Minister who accused the US of having intentions to use bird flu samples to create a biological weapon.

    But hypothetically speaking, if there has to be large scale quarantines of sufferers. How do you think this would be enforced?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,487 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    okay, KM neither of us can conlusively prove our sides.

    I am open minden either way, as is Indonesia's Health Minister who accused the US of having intentions to use bird flu samples to create a biological weapon.
    I am open minded, I just need some decent proof first.

    But hypothetically speaking, if there has to be large scale quarantines of sufferers. How do you think this would be enforced?
    But large scale quarantines are unlikely especially given the relatively small number of cases and
    the effectiveness of vaccination programes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    King Mob wrote: »
    I am open minded, I just need some decent proof first.

    No you're not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    Kernel wrote: »
    No you're not.

    lmao.. I've said it before, KM why do you just sit there all the time waitng for other people to prove things all the time, You never actually show your own research. And In all the time I'm here, Ive never even seen you have any energy to actually give evidence against someone in order to prove something.

    This is something I haven't seen in other conspiracy forums, I know alot of people would get rightly pissed off after a while constantly having to back up every single word, even the obvious. Even STILL, you'd say oh thats not enough. lol/ Pricesless I tell ya.

    Not everything in life can be proven, not everthing in science can prove what is. Science cannot prove why we exist. Evidence can be given to a theory, But since it's a theory it has still to be proven for either argument.

    If there were proof about bird flu and all the jazz that came with it, the governmetns and secret coporations would be found out. They create this in secret.

    Thats the whole idea of a secret.

    I'm still luahging at him saying open minded though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 J_Kerr


    mysterious wrote: »
    lmao.. I've said it before, KM why do you just sit there all the time waitng for other people to prove things all the time, You never actually show your own research. And In all the time I'm here, Ive never even seen you have any energy to actually give evidence against someone in order to prove something.

    This is something I haven't seen in other conspiracy forums, I know alot of people would get rightly pissed off after a while constantly having to back up every single word, even the obvious. Even STILL, you'd say oh thats not enough. lol/ Pricesless I tell ya.

    Not everything in life can be proven, not everthing in science can prove what is. Science cannot prove why we exist. Evidence can be given to a theory, But since it's a theory it has still to be proven for either argument.

    If there were proof about bird flu and all the jazz that came with it, the governmetns and secret coporations would be found out. They create this in secret.

    Thats the whole idea of a secret.

    I'm still luahging at him saying open minded though.

    You can be open minded to the point your brain falls out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Any more personal comments will result in infractions/bans. Thats to everyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,487 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Still waiting for any evidence or reasoning to show that this flu was made by the NWO.

    All I see is a lot of hand waving and jumping to the conclusion.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Iang87


    completely new to this forum and i'm wondering is the current swine flu a hybrid of the bird flu. Just read on wiki there it sort of is but like no1 can trust wiki you know.

    I'm asking cos it goes hand in hand with the thread title


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    Iang87 wrote: »
    completely new to this forum and i'm wondering is the current swine flu a hybrid of the bird flu. Just read on wiki there it sort of is but like no1 can trust wiki you know.

    I'm asking cos it goes hand in hand with the thread title

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H1N1

    Ask yourself the question what is the HIV virus and you'll have some good fun. Start reading here:

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59990/pg1

    and

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59987/pg1


  • Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Donald Rumsfeld made a killing on buying shares in...Tamiflu.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Iang87 wrote: »
    completely new to this forum and i'm wondering is the current swine flu a hybrid of the bird flu.

    I guess that depends on what you mean by "a hybrid".

    As far as I'm aware, all of the publically-available information at the moment says that the current H1N1 swine flu has genetic material from both avian and human influenza virii.

    Note that "avian flu" is a classification of influenza, and is not necessarily the H5N1 strain that has been making headlines these past few years (although I don't rule out that it is this). From what I've been reading, the outbreak in Mexico is what's called a "reassortment" of various A-strain H1N1 virii...predominantly swine, but also human and avian. If that's accurate, then there is no connection to the H5N1 avian flu.


  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    Jake1 wrote: »
    Donald Rumsfeld made a killing on buying shares in...Tamiflu.:D
    Yes he did:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-rumsfeld-makes-5m-killing-on-bird-flu-drug-469599.html

    Of course there's no grounds for conspiracy there - it's sheer coincidence. Just like the best way to test new weapons is to have a war in which to test them - no government would ever actually cause a war to do such a thing...would they?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    nodolan wrote: »
    Yes he did:

    Gilead was formed in 1987, and Rumsfeld was on the board by 1988.
    Tamiflu wasn't invented until several years later.

    It would be more accurate to say that Rumsfeld made a killing by having a significant investment in the company that went on to develop and license Tamiflu.


  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    Okay...

    And it's a sheer coincidence that he and his cronies made a killing from the Iraq War through Halliburton.

    And it's a sheer coincidence that the Project For A New American Century was founded in 1997 years before 9/11 and the Iraq War so it had no hand or part in anything despite its publicly declared goals for total world domination by the USA (signed by them and still available on the web).

    http://www.newamericancentury.org/

    So many coincidences :confused:

    edit: Oh, 'coincidentally' Rumsfeld became the Chair of the board of Gilead in...guess the year...that's right...1997 - same year as the PNAC statement.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    nodolan wrote: »
    Okay...

    And it's a sheer coincidence that he and his cronies made a killing from the Iraq War through Halliburton.

    And it's a sheer coincidence that the Project For A New American Century was founded in 1997 years before 9/11 and the Iraq War so it had no hand or part in anything despite it's publicly declared goals for total world domination by the USA (signed by them and still available on the web).

    http://www.newamericancentury.org/

    So many coincidences :confused:

    Usually one coincidence leads to another.


    Do we take note of them or do we keep dismissing, oh it's just another coincidence.

    Is there something grey we never learn. Is there something in black and white we never dicern. Is there nothing else to turn?

    If there is nothing else, we will just burn.


  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    Here's another coincidence:

    http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/04/20/flu-pandemic-stockpile.html
    Tamiflu resistance prompts Canada to change drugs in pandemic stockpile
    Last Updated: Monday, April 20, 2009

    Canada will adjust the mix of antiviral drugs in an emergency pandemic stockpile this year, a response to concerns over the vulnerability of the main drug in the arsenal, Tamiflu, to the development of viral resistance.

    So Tamiflu may actually make things worse.

    Not to mention the possible side-effects of Tamiflu (from the FDA website):

    # Roche and FDA informed healthcare professionals of neuropsychiatric events associated with the use of Tamiflu, in patients with influenza. (Posted 3/4/2008)
    # Postmarketing reports (mostly from Japan) of self-injury and delirium with the use of Tamiflu in patients with influenza. (Posted 11/13/2006)

    So if the flu doesn't kill you, you might kill yourself anyway. It's interesting that the FDA website gives extremely detailed info to medical practitioners regarding the side-effects of Tamflu but on their Patient page they only give half a dozen or so:

    * nausea
    * vomiting
    * diarrhea
    * bronchitis
    * stomach pain
    * dizziness
    * headache

    and tell you to discuss it with your doctor. Plus it's liable to be totally ineffective or even kill people with already compromised immune systems.

    Not a single mention of that in any news report that I've read the last two days (and I've read a lot of them).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    nodolan wrote: »
    Okay...

    And it's a sheer coincidence that he and his cronies made a killing from the Iraq War through Halliburton.

    And it's a sheer coincidence that the Project For A New American Century was founded in 1997 years before 9/11 and the Iraq War so it had no hand or part in anything despite its publicly declared goals for total world domination by the USA (signed by them and still available on the web).

    http://www.newamericancentury.org/

    So many coincidences :confused:

    edit: Oh, 'coincidentally' Rumsfeld became the Chair of the board of Gilead in...guess the year...that's right...1997 - same year as the PNAC statement.

    I don't see the relevance to this thread. I was adding detail to the somewhat inaccurate claim that Rumsfeld bought shares in "Tamiflu" (which is a product, not a company).

    I don't see what the problem is. None of this seems to contradict what I said...and only serves to bring us further away from the fact that the point I was addressing was inaccurate.

    If Rumsfeld is so obviously guilty, then there's no need to misconstrue facts. He didn't "buy shares in Tamiflu". He invested in a tech company long before they had Tamiflu.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    bonkey wrote: »
    I don't see the relevance to this thread. I was adding detail to the somewhat inaccurate claim that Rumsfeld bought shares in "Tamiflu" (which is a product, not a company).

    I don't see what the problem is. None of this seems to contradict what I said...and only serves to bring us further away from the fact that the point I was addressing was inaccurate.

    If Rumsfeld is so obviously guilty, then there's no need to misconstrue facts. He didn't "buy shares in Tamiflu". He invested in a tech company long before they had Tamiflu.

    Yes, but Bonkey it's Donalds Rumsfield, he seems to be in every conspiracy these days.

    I just got the f**** chills when I seen him on t.v Sept 10th 2001, when I seen planes and rise in millitary spending I knew something bad was going to happen. No i didn't predict 9/11.

    But Donalds Rumsfield is a wretching parasite. He is just a creep, I'm not surprised hes tied to this or mentioned as a result.


  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    So what exactly is the difference in owning shares in a company and owning shares in a company that produces Tamiflu (well it actually licenses the production to Roche).

    The point isn't that he invested in a company long before they had Tamiflu (we don't actually know when they 'knew' they had Tamiflu BTW, they may have had it in a crude form back in the 80s) - the point is that he profited immensely not long after he became director of the company and the federal government that he was a part of was one of the biggest purchasers of Tamiflu (and the biggest fear monger regarding Avian Flu) and he still holds a Gilead stake valued at between $5 million and $25 million, according to federal financial disclosures filed by Rumsfeld.


  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭nodolan


    And again I repeat this point - the WHO, mostly controlled by US interests (placed there by GWB and his cronies) - is promoting Tamiflu as the most effective drug against this 'new' flu yet the Canadian government has said that it may actually make things worse as it is vulnerable (by its construction) to making the virus immune to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    Someone on this forum mentioned the Biden prediction. I said it would come to pass in 6 months because that's what he said. Well its 6 months now, I believe this is the "test" he mentioned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,487 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Someone on this forum mentioned the Biden prediction. I said it would come to pass in 6 months because that's what he said. Well its 6 months now, I believe this is the "test" he mentioned.

    Yea it was nice of him to leave his "prediction" nice and vague so it could apply to anything.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    King Mob wrote: »
    Yea it was nice of him to leave his "prediction" nice and vague so it could apply to anything.

    The timing has worked out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    Someone on this forum mentioned the Biden prediction. I said it would come to pass in 6 months because that's what he said. Well its 6 months now, I believe this is the "test" he mentioned.

    Seems like the elite are a bunch of self interest mobs with the only interest of creatinf fear.

    Debunks the whle notion of what a leader is these days, leaders spread fear now. So oblivian, they tell you something bad is going to happen, and then do nothing about it in all the time they knew.

    Its madness.:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    King Mob wrote: »
    Yea it was nice of him to leave his "prediction" nice and vague so it could apply to anything.


    and ding dong , its fits saddle on the donkey, what else do you expect. Tell everyone what it was, god KM seriousy think about what you just wrote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    2012, its going to be first contact or something similarly big. We're nearing it now. Expect more craziness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Ok so if he knew why then would he predict it rather than just annouce it and give people a chance to protect themselves?

    If he really knew them he seems to just want to get people to think he's great rather than actually make a difference?


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