2009 China GP General Discussion with loads of spoilers!

vectra

amacachi wrote: »

If you were offered evens on Button, 2/1 on Barrichello and 11/1 Vettel and you were forced to put a euro on one of them which would you do? :P

well
a euro on each

Barichello

rua1972

I don't hope it will be the Ross Brawn/Schumacher stragegy to pit very late and only do fast laps when everybody else is in the pit, and thus come out in #1 position after your own pitstop. That's what happend , with Button,in Maylasia, only the rain spoiled the race. I know it brought Schumacher many a win but i hated watching those races.

lovinit

So anyone know what the hell is up with Ferrari, i am seriously giving up on Massa, why did he not go and try again, Third qualifying race were he did not get past Q2, its ridiculous, if kimi can make it so can Massa.

EvilMonkey

rua1972 wrote: »

I don't hope it will be the Ross Brawn/Schumacher stragegy to pit very late and only do fast laps when everybody else is in the pit, and thus come out in #1 position after your own pitstop. That's what happend , with Button,in Maylasia, only the rain spoiled the race. I know it brought Schumacher many a win but i hated watching those races.

That is the only strategy they consistently works better than any other, so thats what they will probably try and use.

lovinit wrote: »

So anyone know what the hell is up with Ferrari, i am seriously giving up on Massa, why did he not go and try again, Third qualifying race were he did not get past Q2, its ridiculous, if kimi can make it so can Massa.

I thought he went out again he just wasn't fast enough.

amacachi

lovinit wrote: »

So anyone know what the hell is up with Ferrari, i am seriously giving up on Massa, why did he not go and try again, Third qualifying race were he did not get past Q2, its ridiculous, if kimi can make it so can Massa.

EvilMonkey wrote: »

I thought he went out again he just wasn't fast enough.

Maybe Kimi is just a better driver.

2011

Because he wont win

Vettle?? Why do you not rate him? I think he might just do it.

vectra

amacachi wrote: »

Maybe Kimi is just a better driver.

Beat me to it

I get the feling that some people have been dissilusioned with massa coming closer to the title than Kimi last season.
Dont knock Kimi just yet.

EvilMonkey

amacachi wrote: »

Maybe Kimi is just a better driver.

Well thats kind of what i meant but to be fair it could be allot of things and Massa has out qualified Kimi a few times.

vectra wrote: »

Beat me to it

I get the feling that some people have been dissilusioned with massa coming closer to the title than Kimi last season.
Dont knock Kimi just yet.

Well i always thought Massa was a fast driver even before he joined Ferrari, I think he upped his game allot last year we will see if he can sustain it i guess the car doesn't help at the minute, i still think Kimi is better though.

amacachi

vectra wrote: »

Beat me to it

I get the feling that some people have been dissilusioned with massa coming closer to the title than Kimi last season.
Dont knock Kimi just yet.

Kimi just had a poor season last year and this season had bad luck in Australia where he would've been in for a podium but for one mistake and a bad call in Malaysia. Himself and Hamilton are right on the pace and fuelled pretty heavily so I wouldn't be too surprised to see either of them on the podium with a bit of luck tomorrow.

amacachi

EvilMonkey wrote: »

Well thats kind of what i meant but to be fair it could be allot of things and Massa has out qualified Kimi a few times.

Aye, but if Kimi outqualifies him in Bahrain then there's something seriously wrong with him or the car.

vectra

2011 wrote: »

Vettle?? Why do you not rate him? I think he might just do it.

Oh no.
I never said I dont rate him
I just think it is a bit of False performace being up there.
Remember
The Brawns have maybe 7 or 8 laps more fuel

vectra

Title over for Ferrari, Raikkonen admits

Kimi Raikkonen has stated that neither he nor team-mate Felipe Massa will be able to challenge for the 2009 world championship.

Ferrari this year kicked off its worst start to a season since 1992, but after just two races in 2009, Finn Raikkonen says it is not realistic to hope to recover and mount a title bid.

FULL STORY HERE

I didnt think we would here something like that this soon

Grim.

going without sleep was a bad move :eek:

ODD-JOB

yep,....matchsticks !

Anyway,....i just been checking the webcams in shanghai.
It's raining right now. yahoo !

[url]mms://www.onedir.com/webcam[/url]

ODD-JOB

Alonso's light , but they got the new difuser fitted on alonso's car.
Piquet however dosent have the new diffuser.

The gap between them is massive !

amacachi

The gap is massive but it would've been huge anyway, Piquet is awful in qualifying.

RAIN! WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

This fairly throws it open now, not having to use the supersofts. If they can start on full wets then switch to inters then they're sorted.

I went without sleep for this, went without sleep last night too, only got two hours yesterday morning, so it works out that I've slept about 3 hours in the last 43 :P WOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

ODD-JOB

who's good in the wet this year ?

Rosberg was flying i remember , last rain gp

Irishshin

Excellent Rain news
Rubens is excellent in the rain and fueled heavier than the top three.

Not totally sure whats up with Ferrari but I think its the car more than the drivers.
And from Qualy you can see how much KERS helps.
Fingers crossed the upgrade for Spain will help much more.

amacachi

Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel are probably the three stand-out wet drivers. Button and Barrichello no slouches either. Having said that I think it's stopped raining and we may be looking at an almost dry start.

*EDIT* It is still raining apparently.

amacachi

Brundle is the only thing saving today's BBC coverage. Vettel's a cheeky wee bastard :P

Irishshin

Lol Excellent grid walk today!
Interesting questions from DC!

jester77

Safety car start.

Irishshin

Ooooh not good news for light cars!!

amacachi

Anyone else think starting the car under the safety car is just daft? It's just going to delay any chance to clear the water from the circuit.

amacachi

Also, I can see Kimi and Hamilton challenging for the win depending on how long the safety car stays out.

Carroller16

BORING!!! Get in Safety Car

elmolesto

amacachi wrote: »

Anyone else think starting the car under the safety car is just daft? It's just going to delay any chance to clear the water from the circuit.

I agree, it's just ghey:pac:

Carroller16

elmolesto wrote: »

I agree, it's just ghey:pac:

Never a truer word said

BFassassin

I should have stayed in bed.
Very boring just watching them go round behind the sc

Irishshin

Finally Safety car in this lap!

Hope this works for Alonso

amacachi

Brundle is usually fairly conservative about bringing safety cars in from rain, so when he says they should go, they should definitely be going.

Safety car in this lap, and straight back out after a crash and turn one I'm going to guess.

Carroller16

yeah crash straight away i'd say

EDIT: Prediction Fail

amacachi

Carroller16 wrote: »

yeah crash straight away i'd say

EDIT: Prediction Fail

At least I was original :P

Red Bulls flying, as is Buemi.


I think the lads are just running wide on the last corner to carry more speed down the straight. :P

Irishshin

Wow that Toyota looks weird!!!
Poor Trulli

Safety Car?

Carroller16

tut bloody SC AGain

amacachi

Safety car! Could be a disaster for Button.

amacachi

Think Buemi just ran into the back of one of the Ferraris, hard to tell because they just cut away at the wrong time.

Here we go with a few laps of the safety car trying to catch the leader who is trying to catch the safety car.:mad:

amacachi

Anyone else finding it nearly impossible to tell the difference between the Red Bulls and Torro Rossos in the wet?

Please stewards, clear the bloody debris so we can get some running again soon.

Irishshin

No way!!!! Massa was doing so well!!

jhegarty

ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

jester77

The directing is awful. Hamilton challenging Kimi and they don't show it, and that's not the first time

mancduff

is slip streaming affected in the wet loving this by the way can't see ****.

amacachi

Slipstreaming works fine in the wet, takes balls to do it though. McLarens looking good for some points.

Vettel's race to lose.

mancduff

amacachi wrote: »

Slipstreaming works fine in the wet, takes balls to do it though. McLarens looking good for some points.

Vettel's race to lose.

You're right great overtake by vettel red bull are looking to take this.

Irishshin

Aw no poor Sutil!
He had no luck when h gets up close to the front!

amacachi

Feel sorry for him, deserved something from the race.

Irishshin

Good drive by Buemi.
Very glad for Red Bull, they deserved the 1-2 today

amacachi

I'm ****ing sick I didn't bet on Vettel during the week.

Grim.

amazing drive by Vettel well deserved win

now im going to collapse from exhaustion

Dcully

Delighted for Vettel ,one the nicest guys in F1 and a real talent.
Give him the car and he will deliver.
Due to problems in Quali he only ran 1 hot lap in each seasion and still took pole.
As if that wasnt impressive enough he led from start to finish in appaling conditions and one of the very few drivers that didnt make a single mistake.