Who do the Teachers think they are fooling?

ntlbell

Fighting Irish wrote: »

What he/you said was stupid


couldn't be arsed looking back to see who said it

How is it stupid?

They're using young kids as pawns in an attempt to get more money.

I don't see my daughter's education being put at risk so teachers can have a bit more "social" money as stupid, It's disgusting.

Far from stupid.

gurramok

kickoutthejams wrote: »

RIght, so should a shop worker go on strike when it's a bank holiday?
Y'know, they'll have more time to prepare. Or maybe, it just won't be noticed.

Strikes are pointless unless the public actually realise your on a strike.

The reason 5 year olds are affected is because that's the teachers job, and by striking they are not doing it.

On my god, you are clutching at straws using Sundays and now Bank Holidays.

Why can they not strike Mon-Fri inclusive?

So lets have the public suffer in Sept then and in this case, 5 yr old kids on their first day, nice strategy.

Fighting Irish wrote:

What he/you said was stupid

couldn't be arsed looking back to see who said it

Yes, it was me. I repeat the truth:
"Using kids to get xtra pay over everyone else via less taxes is outrageous."

They have 3 months holidays to strike and get their points across for the pay but oh no, they choose Sept when the kids are back at work, what a selfish bunch of mé féin entitlement wasters.

ibarelycare

Fighting Irish wrote: »

So last year every job in the country was a "job for life" :rolleyes:

You said that teachers definitely had a means of paying off their debts as they could afford them before....I said it was the same with a lot of people. I never said anything about people being guaranteed a job for life, however people's jobs were more secure.

Anyway in many cases employment contracts have had to change drastically in line with the economic downturn, and this is effectively what's happening with teachers at the moment.

Mal-Adjusted

they're not looking for "more money" as some simpeltons here declared. they just don't want to be unfairley taxed at a higher rate than the rest of the country.

everyone has to take the strain obviously, but someone's tax should be reflective on their salery, not their career choice.

and why do people assume that all teachers and only teachers bought expensive cars and mortgages? surley that was devided equally among the populace?

ntlbell

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

they're not looking for "more money" as some simpeltons here declared. they just don't want to be unfairley taxed at a higher rate than the rest of the country.

everyone has to take the strain obviously, but someone's tax should be reflective on their salery, not their career choice.

and why do people assume that all teachers and only teachers bought expensive cars and mortgages? surley that was devided equally among the populace?

they're looking to have more disposable income which = the same freaking thing.

I quote the union rep on Pat Kenny.

"Pat, I only have 93e a week for socialising and clothes"

WTF

who's the f*cking simpleton?

ntlbell

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

and why do people assume that all teachers and only teachers bought expensive cars and mortgages? surley that was devided equally among the populace?

I'm starting to worry about you

THE REST OF POPULACE ARE NOT HOLDING YOUNG KIDS EDUCATION AT RANSOM


christ all f*cking mighty.

ixoy

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

they're not looking for "more money" as some simpeltons here declared. they just don't want to be unfairley taxed at a higher rate than the rest of the country.[ /quote]
Well many people don't want a pay cut but they had take it.

Here's a question: If you took a pay cut, instead of the levy, would you be happier? Since plenty of other people are taking pay cuts you couldn't complain about it being an "unfair tax" or other such nonsense.

baglady

ntlbell wrote: »

How is it stupid?

They're using young kids as pawns in an attempt to get more money.

I don't see my daughter's education being put at risk so teachers can have a bit more "social" money as stupid, It's disgusting.

Far from stupid.

several times in your posts now you have said that teachers want extra money for their social lives, holidays, holiday homes etc. I mean come on, do you really think that all or even most teachers are living it up in the lap of luxury? My parents are both teachers, live in a modest house, have normal cars, have been frugal and wise with their money, saved to put me and my siblings through college and do not lead extravagant lifestyles by any means. stop generalising the tens of thousands of teachers in this country.

''they're not looking for "more money" as some simpeltons here declared. they just don't want to be unfairley taxed at a higher rate than the rest of the country.

everyone has to take the strain obviously, but someone's tax should be reflective on their salery, not their career choice.'' agreed.

baglady

ntlbell wrote: »

I'm starting to worry about you

THE REST OF POPULACE ARE NOT HOLDING YOUNG KIDS EDUCATION AT RANSOM


christ all f*cking mighty.

and get real. teachers have striked in the past. do you forsee industrial action lasting weeks or months? no child's education will be negatively affected by a days strike. I can specifically remember teachers on strike when I was in primary, and it made no difference to me in the end!

Mal-Adjusted

wow, you huys really can't graspit, can you? it's about bieng taxed more than private sector workers. it shows the "everyone has to pay their way" BS for what it is. but of course, you can't see that and are just jooking for more scapegoats to vent your frustrations at. deny it all you want. it's true and you know it;)

gurramok

baglady wrote: »

several times in your posts now you have said that teachers want extra money for their social lives, holidays, holiday homes etc. I mean come on, do you really think that all or even most teachers are living it up in the lap of luxury? My parents are both teachers, live in a modest house, have normal cars, have been frugal and wise with their money, saved to put me and my siblings through college and do not lead extravagant lifestyles by any means. stop generalising the tens of thousands of teachers in this country.

''they're not looking for "more money" as some simpeltons here declared. they just don't want to be unfairley taxed at a higher rate than the rest of the country.

everyone has to take the strain obviously, but someone's tax should be reflective on their salery, not their career choice.'' agreed.

60k in wages is a bloody good wage and thank your lucky stars they never extended themselves.

They are striking over the pension levy, that's a money issue. You'd swear they were on the breadline.

Go down to the monks monastery on Bow st, Dublin to see food parcels being handed out to the starving, there are more priorities in society than moaning about overpiad teachers.

ntlbell

baglady wrote: »

several times in your posts now you have said that teachers want extra money for their social lives, holidays, holiday homes etc. I mean come on, do you really think that all or even most teachers are living it up in the lap of luxury? My parents are both teachers, live in a modest house, have normal cars, have been frugal and wise with their money, saved to put me and my siblings through college and do not lead extravagant lifestyles by any means. stop generalising the tens of thousands of teachers in this country.

I'm just quoting the rep that was sent on to the pat kenny show it was her main point that she was only left with 93e a week for socialising and clothes

the only other one who got air time was worried about her investment property in croatia.

I can only go on the evidence before me.

I don't think any of them are living a lap of luxury no.

I take it your parents are happy to take the pain then?

ntlbell

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

wow, you huys really can't graspit, can you? it's about bieng taxed more than private sector workers. it shows the "everyone has to pay their way" BS for what it is. but of course, you can't see that and are just jooking for more scapegoats to vent your frustrations at. deny it all you want. it's true and you know it;)

well how about we don't tax them more than the private sector

make them work the 4 months holidays and make them pay their own pensions make them take up to 30% pay cuts like the private sector

I'm happy with that, will they be?

gurramok

gurramok wrote: »

60k in wages is a bloody good wage and thank

Will you stop talking crap about pre tax wages. The root of a lot of the problems the teachers have is paying extra tax indirectly in levy's. If someone in the private sector has a gross wage of 60k they take home more than a teacher on 60k gross, how is that fair.

rugbyman

Originally Posted by baglady View Post
several times in your posts now you have said that teachers want extra money for their social lives, holidays, holiday homes etc. I mean come on, do you really think that all or even most teachers are living it up in the lap of luxury? My parents are both teachers, live in a modest house, have normal cars, have been frugal and wise with their money, saved to put me and my siblings through college and do not lead extravagant lifestyles by any means. stop generalising the tens of thousands of teachers in this country.

''they're not looking for "more money" as some simpeltons here declared. they just don't want to be unfairley taxed at a higher rate than the rest of the country.

everyone has to take the strain obviously, but someone's tax should be reflective on their salery, not their career


Baglady, if your parents ran two cars and put several children through third level,esp if the third level was away from home, they used their money well.

however they now are in receipt of a large joint income ( i.e. two teachers salaries),and with none of the third level costs now, are among the most comfortable sector in the country..

regards ,Rugbyman

ixoy

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

wow, you huys really can't graspit, can you? it's about bieng taxed more than private sector workers. it shows the "everyone has to pay their way" BS for what it is. but of course, you can't see that and are just jooking for more scapegoats to vent your frustrations at. deny it all you want. it's true and you know it;)

Again I'll ask - would you accept an equivalent pay cut instead? Then you wouldn't have to pay this "pension levy" and you'd be taking a pay cut like many private sector workers. Would that be fairer? You'd now be on the same tax system as everyone - hurrah! Strike called off!

ntlbell

Melvin Shy Ref wrote: »

Will you stop talking crap about pre tax wages. The root of a lot of the problems the teachers have is paying extra tax indirectly in levy's. If someone in the private sector has a gross wage of 60k they take home more than a teacher on 60k gross, how is that fair.

the person in the private sector doesn't get 4 months off

hows that fair?

the person in the private sector can loose his job

hows that fair?

the person in the private sector has to pay his own pension IN FULL

hows that fair?

pipsqueak

baglady wrote: »

and get real. teachers have striked in the past. do you forsee industrial action lasting weeks or months? no child's education will be negatively affected by a days strike. I can specifically remember teachers on strike when I was in primary, and it made no difference to me in the end!

but your a baglady!! where did it all go wrong??:p

Ace2007

Lane Substantial Vocabulary wrote: »

Will you stop talking crap about pre tax wages. The root of a lot of the problems the teachers have is paying extra tax indirectly in levy's. If someone in the private sector has a gross wage of 60k they take home more than a teacher on 60k gross, how is that fair.

Life is not fair. Lets looks at this - person in private secotor on gross wage of 60K can walk into work 2moro and be told that they are been let go - the chances of that happening to a teacher is very very slim i'd say, secondly the same chap in the private sector doesn't get anyway near as many holidays as the teacher gets, so for them to get more than the teachers i think is fair.

baglady

ntlbell wrote: »

well how about we don't tax them more than the private sector

make them work the 4 months holidays and make them pay their own pensions make them take up to 30% pay cuts like the private sector

I'm happy with that, will they be?

what the hell is your problem with the holidays? that is the way it is in most countries around the world, that is how it has always been. You are acting as if this is some new introduction to education? Those holidays are welcome relief from the everyday strain of the job. Of course other jobs have strain and don't get the same holidays, but that's just tough. you know what you are getting into when you pursue a career.

do you think teachers do not pay for their pensions or something???

ntlbell

ntlbell wrote: »

the person in the private sector doesn't get 4 months off

hows that fair?

the person in the private sector can loose his job

hows that fair?

the person in the private sector has to pay his own pension IN FULL

hows that fair?

The person in the private sector chose to work in the private sector and they knew all this up front, the government are making changes to teachers, nurses, etc etc pay structures and they do not have a choice.

odonogar

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

they're not looking for "more money" as some simpeltons here declared. they just don't want to be unfairley taxed at a higher rate than the rest of the country.

everyone has to take the strain obviously, but someone's tax should be reflective on their salery, not their career choice.

and why do people assume that all teachers and only teachers bought expensive cars and mortgages? surley that was devided equally among the populace?

The levy is reflective of their salary - the percentage is based on earnings.

It's nothing to do with career choice - why are people taking it personally? If you opened your eyes you'd see that private sector workings are getting hit equally hard and probably worse with large pay cuts and pay freezes as well as redundancies. How many teachers do you think make up the 10% unemployment rate?

I don't think anyone assumes that 'all teachers and only teachers bought expensive cars and mortgages'. But, similarly, they're not excluded from what happened to the economy and shouldn't be excluded from cutbacks.

ntlbell

baglady wrote: »

what the hell is your problem with the holidays? that is the way it is in most countries around the world, that is how it has always been. You are acting as if this is some new introduction to education? Those holidays are welcome relief from the everyday strain of the job. Of course other jobs have strain and don't get the same holidays, but that's just tough. you know what you are getting into when you pursue a career.

do you think teachers do not pay for their pensions or something???

I don't have a problem with the holidays

people want them to be treated like private sector workers

so lets do it then lets make them work the same hours

lets give them the same holidays

lets give the same pension someone in the private sector gets on the same wage

they pay part of their own pension

someone in the private sector if they're VERY lucky get pretty much what they put in it's not marked against their previous job in any fashion

What kind of up roar would there be if they brought in a system like the UK where if you teach for a few years after your degree they clear your student loans if you don't you have to pay them out of your own pocket. I'm sure the moaners would be out in force here anyway.

ntlbell

Lane Substantial Vocabulary wrote: »

The person in the private sector chose to work in the private sector and they knew all this up front, the government are making changes to teachers, nurses, etc etc pay structures and they do not have a choice.

Are you really in college? i find it hard to believe, I hope you're not doing economics.

Private companies across the board are cutting wages people don't have a choice they take it or go on the dole.

EVERYONE is feeling the pain EVERYONE.

How can the education system be justified when your spouting out this nonsense.

baglady

ntlbell wrote: »

the person in the private sector doesn't get 4 months off

hows that fair?

the person in the private sector can loose his job

hows that fair?

the person in the private sector has to pay his own pension IN FULL

hows that fair?

holidays? get over the jealousy. it's how it is.

teachers can lose their jobs. never mind the recent and upcoming graduates who will struggle to find any work,despite spending years in college.

teachers will pay between 22 and 27% of their wages to their pensions, thats hefty!

i think you should become a teacher, you clearly think it is an extremely cushy position

ntlbell

baglady wrote: »

holidays? get over the jealousy. it's how it is.

teachers can lose their jobs. never mind the recent and upcoming graduates who will struggle to find any work,despite spending years in college.

teachers will pay between 22 and 27% of their wages to their pensions, thats hefty!

i think you should become a teacher, you clearly think it is an extremely cushy position

well i can be a muppet to

it's a TAX get over it :rolleyes:

and all the graduates coming out for A LOT of industries won't be able to get a job

THIS IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO TEACHERS

it maybe hefty but if a private sector person would have to put up 50-75% when their 50 to try and get anywhere near what they working at

THE PENSION THEY GET IS HEFTY

It's not cushy, no one said it was and if you read the thread properly you would see how many times i have stated this

stop putting this nonsense stuff out there

it's not releveant

TEACHERS ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE TOUGH JOBS

baglady

rugbyman wrote: »

Originally Posted by baglady View Post
several times in your posts now you have said that teachers want extra money for their social lives, holidays, holiday homes etc. I mean come on, do you really think that all or even most teachers are living it up in the lap of luxury? My parents are both teachers, live in a modest house, have normal cars, have been frugal and wise with their money, saved to put me and my siblings through college and do not lead extravagant lifestyles by any means. stop generalising the tens of thousands of teachers in this country.

''they're not looking for "more money" as some simpeltons here declared. they just don't want to be unfairley taxed at a higher rate than the rest of the country.

everyone has to take the strain obviously, but someone's tax should be reflective on their salery, not their career


Baglady, if your parents ran two cars and put several children through third level,esp if the third level was away from home, they used their money well.

however they now are in receipt of a large joint income ( i.e. two teachers salaries),and with none of the third level costs now, are among the most comfortable sector in the country..

regards ,Rugbyman

Well to be honest I was just replying to ntlbell who was grossly overgeneralising teachers as wanting more money for their social lives. My parents are still putting two children through education, with one more on the way in a couple of years, still have a mortgage etc. They are comfortable, but not loaded by any means. And to be honest I don't see the point of your post. They may be comfortable but I'm not going to feel bad about that, they worked hard to get there and deserve it.

ntlbell

baglady wrote: »

Well to be honest I was just replying to ntlbell who was grossly overgeneralising teachers as wanting more money for their social lives. My parents are still putting two children through education, with one more on the way in a couple of years, still have a mortgage etc. They are comfortable, but not loaded by any means. And to be honest I don't see the point of your post. They may be comfortable but I'm not going to feel bad about that, they worked hard to get there and deserve it.

I wasn't over generalising i was quoting A TEACHER.

Lots of people work hard and deserve it

teachers are not the only people who work hard

why is this so hard for people to understand?

ntlbell

ntlbell wrote: »

Are you really in college? i find it hard to believe, I hope you're not doing economics.

.

PhD in physics!

At the end of the day I just think a lot of teachers chose their career especially so that they would have a job for life and not be affected by wage cuts etc etc and now its happening and in all honesty they will have to pay more obviously but what they are paying is excessive.

ntlbell

It's pretty amazing the only people who are on the teachers side by the looks of things

are people who's parents are teachers

or are teachers themselves

it says it all really.

ntlbell

Melvin Shy Ref wrote: »

PhD in physics!

At the end of the day I just think a lot of teachers chose their career especially so that they would have a job for life and not be affected by wage cuts etc etc and now its happening and in all honesty they will have to pay more obviously but what they are paying is excessive.

why would they not be affected by wage cuts?

They're employed by the government the government can only spend what they receive

if they stop receiving they have to stop spending?

that means cuts

to think you'll be immune from cuts in the PS is utter retardation on a very high level...

baglady

ntlbell wrote: »

well i can be a muppet to

it's a TAX get over it :rolleyes:

and all the graduates coming out for A LOT of industries won't be able to get a job

THIS IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO TEACHERS

it maybe hefty but if a private sector person would have to put up 50-75% when their 50 to try and get anywhere near what they working at

THE PENSION THEY GET IS HEFTY

It's not cushy, no one said it was and if you read the thread properly you would see how many times i have stated this

stop putting this nonsense stuff out there

it's not releveant

TEACHERS ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE TOUGH JOBS

I'm a muppet, lol great. :P
I'm sorry but you definitely come across as thinking it is a cushy job, I mean it's so great we don't have to pay for our pensions, we get tons and tons of holidays and none of us will lose our job. I never said teachers are the only ones who have tough jobs, if YOU read the thread properly you would see that. Just as Stetson Broad Incense said:
'The person in the private sector chose to work in the private sector and they knew all this up front, the government are making changes to teachers, nurses, etc etc pay structures and they do not have a choice.'

and I don't understand your point about the private sector pension? didn't really make sense to me...

couerdelion

Melvin Shy Ref wrote: »

The person in the private sector chose to work in the private sector and they knew all this up front, the government are making changes to teachers, nurses, etc etc pay structures and they do not have a choice.

My company is making changes to my pay and conditions too. I didn't know that upfront. I've also been given a 10% paycut and no bonus or payrise for the next two years. Have teachers had their increments frozen? Has benchmarking taken into account that most private wages have dropped? Or is it just a case of the public sector only wanting the good parts of being a private sector employee?

FlutterinBantam

56 b out

36 b in

=-20 b


Understand that????

baglady

ntlbell wrote: »

It's pretty amazing the only people who are on the teachers side by the looks of things

are people who's parents are teachers

or are teachers themselves

it says it all really.

maybe it's because people like you are pissed at some of the seemingly more attractive conditions of a teaching job. And are directing your anger about the economic situation at an easy and predictable target? It's boring now, the sides will never be reconciled. May as well just leave it at that.

FlutterinBantam

Baglady: it costs 56 b to run the country

We get 36 b in in revenue at the mom

Public service costs apx 18 bn

Hse social stuff costs 18 bn

Is it not obvious that costs have to be reduced as tax cannot make up the difference.???

otwb

skyhighflyer wrote: »

I think most people would agree that someone of 20 years experience in any profession is worth 30k a year more than someone just starting out. Why does a lawyer of 20 years experience earn more than a trainee? Or a consultant more than a junior doctor? Come on mate, that's one argument you can't stand over at all.

A trainee lawyer is a trainee layer who clerks on cases, a junior doctor will not take on cases a consultant is qualified to do.

A teacher is registered as a qualified teacher when they complete their training and are deemed competent to teach children. This is day 1 at 35k. Day 7300 (or twenty years later) at 65k they are teaching roughly the same curriculum to roughly the same children. Technology and content will have changed. The job will be no more complex. Therefore there is not 30k additional value in the job that is undertaken.

I agree that there is some added value with experience - potentially up to 10-15k's worth. But not 30k.

Your junior doctor starts at ? 35k and is shown how to put an iv line in on week 1. Day 7300 he is a consultant undertaking brain surgery. IMO there is added value here - mabye not 200k's worth, but thats another argument.

pipsqueak

dont forget the 21,000,000,000 for social welfare!!!!

copacetic

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Baglady: it costs 56 b to run the country

We get 36 b in in revenue at the mom

Public service costs apx 18 bn

Hse social stuff costs 18 bn

Is it not obvious that costs have to be reduced as tax cannot make up the difference.???

It looks like teachers feel we should cut nurses pay, guards pay, cut all civil servants pay, cut back on health services, tax private pension contributions etc etc.

Bascially cut everything else to the bone but leave teachers alone as they deserve better than everyone else.

gurramok

Lane Substantial Vocabulary wrote: »

What kind of up roar would there be if they brought in a system like the UK where if you teach for a few years after your degree they clear your student loans if you don't you have to pay them out of your own pocket. I'm sure the moaners would be out in force here anyway.

In the UK, its a standard 6 week holiday, not 3 months.

Their salaries for teachers are alot lower
http://www.tda.gov.uk/Recruit/lifeasateacher/payandbenefits/salaryscales.aspx

Lane Substantial Vocabulary wrote: »

The person in the private sector chose to work in the private sector and they knew all this up front, the government are making changes to teachers, nurses, etc etc pay structures and they do not have a choice.

We in the private sector mostly pay their wages hence it is of our concern and they have job security.

Do you realise how difficult is it to sack a bad teacher?

ntlbell

baglady wrote: »

and I don't understand your point about the private sector pension? didn't really make sense to me...

it's very simple

a private pension is in no way attached to your current wage?

So if I wanted to have a similar pension to what I was earning

from about 45 I would have to put nearly 75% of my wages into for the last 20 years

they get out what they put in (if they're lucky)

a PS workers pension is attached to the grade/earnings they were on when they were retired

surely you can see the difference?

ntlbell

baglady wrote: »

maybe it's because people like you are pissed at some of the seemingly more attractive conditions of a teaching job. And are directing your anger about the economic situation at an easy and predictable target? It's boring now, the sides will never be reconciled. May as well just leave it at that.

I'll say it once more I couldn't give a hoot what holidays or conditions they get as long as mu daughter is educated properly

you get this right ok?

Now MY point was if they want to be treated as fairly as private sector workers then they should have the same conditions

got that part yes?

I am fully supportive of teachers for all their problems

large classes/support etc etc i'm 110% behind them

WHAT I'M NOT SUPPORTING IS MY CHILDS EDUCATION BEING HELD TO RANSOM

penny dropping?

drusk

ntlbell - Your begrudgery is testament to everything that is wrong with Irish society. Reading through your venemous posts that vilify teachers is absolutely shocking. You are so utterly jealous, it's pathetic.

The government is at fault here. For all of your moronic, spiteful commentary, you are oblivious to this blatantly obvious fact.

For the work that they do, they should be on a hundred grand a year, not a penny less. There's plenty of fat that should be trimmed before they get targeted.

I hope the teachers strike. Everyone is sitting back as this government sticks its hands into the pockets of the innocent in order to dig the country into a deeper hole. It's time somebody stood up and said something about it.

Coming out with this crap - "everybody needs to feel the hit". This is the utter sh*te spouted by the government every day. Everybody DOESN'T need to feel the hit. Those responsible do. Teachers are not responsible. Begrudging them their average pay and holidays shows nothing but pathetic jealousy on your part.

You keep moaning moaning moaning that everyone is missing the point.

YOU are missing the point.

Your name wouldn't happen to be Batt O' Keeffe by any chance? Brian Lenihan...?

Lockstep

gurramok wrote: »

On my god, you are clutching at straws using Sundays and now Bank Holidays.

Why can they not strike Mon-Fri inclusive?

So lets have the public suffer in Sept then and in this case, 5 yr old kids on their first day, nice strategy.

*facepalm*

I was using the examples of sundays and bank holidays as they are days when students wouldn't be attending schools anyway.
Ergo, a teacher strike would have little to no effect on the public.

Clutching at straws you say?

gurramok

kickoutthejams wrote: »

*facepalm*

I was using the examples of sundays and bank holidays as they are days when students wouldn't be attending schools anyway.
Ergo, a teacher strike would have little to no effect on the public.

Clutching at straws you say?

*facepalm*

Students don't attend schools during the summer on Mon-Friday!!

So you want maximum affect, how nice of you to put that on the kids.

Ace2007

drusk wrote: »

ntlbell - Your begrudgery is testament to everything that is wrong with Irish society. Reading through your venemous posts that vilify teachers is absolutely shocking. You are so utterly jealous, it's pathetic.

The government is at fault here. For all of your moronic, spiteful commentary, you are oblivious to this blatantly obvious fact.

Are you off your head on drugs or where have you been for the last few months, the government are not to blame - we are in this mess cause of us - no one else's fault - go back a few pages i've wrote a bit of this.

If you think its just the governments fault alone that we are in this mess and not the people's fault - then might as well give up on this thread cause you haven't a clue.

drusk wrote: »

For the work that they do, they should be on a hundred grand a year, not a penny less. There's plenty of fat that should be trimmed before they get targeted.

I hope the teachers strike. Everyone is sitting back as this government sticks its hands into the pockets of the innocent in order to dig the country into a deeper hole. It's time somebody stood up and said something about it.

what exactly do teaches do? - they teach the class but its the student who puts in the work at home, indeed anyone with kids at school will tell you that they have to help their sons/daughters with their homework - their not getting paid to do this though???

You want the teachers to Strike? - you want to take this country to its knees - we are nowhere near the bottom yet - alot worse is to come - and with your attitude your going to destroy the futures of the kids - teachers strike - government don't have the money - therefore teachers will either have to give up on the strike or shut the schools.

drusk wrote: »

Coming out with this crap - "everybody needs to feel the hit". This is the utter sh*te spouted by the government every day. Everybody DOESN'T need to feel the hit. Those responsible do. Teachers are not responsible. Begrudging them their average pay and holidays shows nothing but pathetic jealousy on your part.

Again see my post a few pages back - teachers are ordinary people - and its the ordinary people that are to blame for the mess - the borrowed money and spent money that they didn't have - i've heard loads of times of people takin loans to pay off cc - surely this is idiotic and clearly shows how messed up people are.

drusk wrote: »

You keep moaning moaning moaning that everyone is missing the point.

YOU are missing the point.

Your name wouldn't happen to be Batt O' Keeffe by any chance? Brian Lenihan...?

He is not missing the point - the point is that teachers like everyone else in the public sector has to accept the cuts that they are being given,

the argument about holidays is neither here nor there

otwb

drusk wrote: »

ntlbell - Your begrudgery is testament to everything that is wrong with Irish society. Reading through your venemous posts that vilify teachers is absolutely shocking. You are so utterly jealous, it's pathetic.

The government is at fault here. For all of your moronic, spiteful commentary, you are oblivious to this blatantly obvious fact.

For the work that they do, they should be on a hundred grand a year, not a penny less. There's plenty of fat that should be trimmed before they get targeted.

I hope the teachers strike. Everyone is sitting back as this government sticks its hands into the pockets of the innocent in order to dig the country into a deeper hole. It's time somebody stood up and said something about it.

Coming out with this crap - "everybody needs to feel the hit". This is the utter sh*te spouted by the government every day. Everybody DOESN'T need to feel the hit. Those responsible do. Teachers are not responsible. Begrudging them their average pay and holidays shows nothing but pathetic jealousy on your part.

You keep moaning moaning moaning that everyone is missing the point.

YOU are missing the point.

Your name wouldn't happen to be Batt O' Keeffe by any chance? Brian Lenihan...?

Lol...I though the above was serious for a minute....

Lockstep

gurramok wrote: »

*facepalm*

Students don't attend schools during the summer on Mon-Friday!!

So you want maximum affect, how nice of you to put that on the kids.

I think I just facepalmed so hard my face will be permanently stuck to my forehead.

The entire point of a strike is to not do your job to express dissatisfaction.
Do you honestly think much notice will be taken of someone not doing their job when it's at a time the bulk of their work isn't on?

I worked in Dunnes and the bulk of the work was in the day; would you say people would take more of a notice if there was a strike by day or by night?

SEPT 23 1989

I think that anyone in a secure,well pensioned job who gets three months holidays a year and earns 63k should really keep their heads down and stay quiet at the moment.
You are not in the classroom talking down to children and teenagers,you are dealing with adults who are trying to cope with the worst economic crisis in the history of the state, educate yourselves in whats happening in the real world.