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15-04-2009 8:48pm#1
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Its a bit of a mess at the moment alright.
I will be waiting until we know exactly what we can keep; no point in splashing out on a pistol to hand it in with a thousand rounds through it.:rolleyes:
I've heard rugers can be a pain to disassemble and clean, any truth in that?
Basically all I want is some thing that will fire whatever I put in it (and if it doesn't look like a space ship that would help too:D) as you say there are a lot of crap 22s out there.
I'm leaning more towards the buckmark at the moment, I really havn't heard a bad word said about them, but just for comparison any idea how much one could expect to pay for a beretta 87T
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I know you're looking for a .22, but this is a piece of advice I should have taken myself and have met many people who agree (in hindsight of course
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Think about getting an air pistol instead.
Why? Well, they're much cheaper to run, you don't need much in terms of a range to use one and pretty much everything is the same except the noise and the recoil.
It's a very cheap way to learn to shoot pistol accurately and in these recessionary times, that's a big plus.0 -
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Really hadn't considered an air pistol, just looked at the 22s so far. It would be a reluctant substitution but it is worth some consideration though thanks; its not like I was looking at a 9mm so there shouldn't really much difference I suppose. I don't know anything about them though 0
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Well, you can tell the difference to be honest chem - with the FWB or the Steyr the trigger's smoother, you don't have to crank the handle to charge for every shot, it doesn't look like an engine part from a russian tractor, it doesn't come attached to a tree stump that you learn to whittle on, and bits don't fall off every twenty or thirty shots.
But then, even I can do this with an Izzy, so you don't always get what you pay for...
And the skills do transfer over to .22 and even up to the higher calibres, by the way, this is from shooting the CZ85 out in the midlands a few weeks back:
And I'm not all that good with pistol, don't forget - guys like bigred and some of the ISSF lads from Fermoy kick my ass regularly.0 -
Gotta disagree with Sparks on one thing, and that's the cost of an air pistol.
Granted they're not all as cheap as the IZH46, but then again, they don't look and feel like a tractor part either
Gehmann make a cheapish one, as well as Aeron CZ, Rohm and Benelli.
These range in price from about €450 up to about €750. There are lots more up to the grand mark and there's actually very few that would cost you €1500.
But definitely have a serious think about this, because you will learn 80% to 90% of your skills using one of these and won't break the bank.0 -
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Because other stuff clouds the fundamentals with cartridge pistols (like recoil - if you construct your stance and position and grip to handle recoil, you can - not always, but it can happen - wind up with a setup that doesn't let you consistently hit the middle of the target).there's always the argument that I'm eventually gonna want a .22 pistol so why not start out with one?
Plus, the only way to convince your brain to trust an area hold instead of aiming is to do it. A lot. Which isn't horribly expensive with .22lr ammunition, but is enormously cheaper with air pellets (see below).
Plus, with the cheaper single-shot pneumatic air pistols like the Izzy, they're slow. You can't shoot lots of shots one after the other rapidly with the Izzy. Which is a Very Good Thing when you're learning because it prevents you just blasting away and you tend to focus on what you're doing more.
25 euro for 500 cheap .22 rounds, yes - but for decent .22 rounds you're looking at closer to 60 euro for 500 and that's not top-end, that's Eley Team or the equivalent (top end, you could be looking at 80 or so, depends on the dealer and the price). Top-end, pistol-specific air pellets, at the most, you're looking at 10 euro for 500. And you're more likely to get them for less (again, depends on dealer). So anywhere from 6 to 10 times cheaper.
And you don't really want a pistol that will feed with anything - you want a pistol that will put the rounds where you want them. Diet ambivalence is just a nice feature You just find the round your pistol likes (that's a week or two at the start of the decade you'll shoot the pistol for) and stick with it; and clean it regularly (the workings if not the barrel). So it's really a small thing, not worth choosing a pistol by.
BTW, there are cheap good .22 pistols. Things like the Hammerli X-esse have performed well in matches here, and RRPC could tell you about the Izzy .22 pistol, which isn't bad for the price. You don't need to start with a FWB AW-93, though they are truly sweet.
(And also - you may find air pistol is more fun than you think it is now... I mean, I get a kick out of .22lr pistol or 9mm pistol, but I won't be buying one any time soon, I'm more likely to keep shooting with my Izzy until all the pellets go in the black during a match at least. And probably for longer after that...)0 -
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To be honest, the grip is the *most* important part of the pistol, way above any of the other things like digestability of ammo, looks, weight, balance etc.
To that end, you really do have to either spend a lot of time with a dremmel, file and sandpaper, or a fair wad of cash with either Thomas Rink, Nil or Dennis Marschall to get one made for you.
You can't expect to pick up a pistol with the factory grips and hope to get a perfect fit every time, it's just not possible even though there's always a chance that you'll get one to fit you straight off.
The grip should be such that when you raise the pistol, the sights are aligned as well as they can be so that you only have to concentrate on getting on the target for a ten
As for the argument that you're going to get a .22 anyway so why not now. Well I'll just say that many people who have been shooting .22 or bigger have told me that they regretted not getting an air pistol first. I even know one guy who's changing his prized CZ75 for an air pistol as soon as he can.
The point about the availability of somewhere to practice with an air pistol can't be overstressed. If it's a choice between having to travel a couple of hours to a couple of minutes, then I know which one I'd choose. Pistol shooting (well), requires many hours of practice and lots of rounds down the range. People I know who are working hard at improving are using up 500 rounds a week and at €40-€50 minimum, that's a lot of dosh when a tenner a week is the max cost for the same amount of training with an air pistol.
This is not a one instead of another argument, it's more a case of having something you can build on and you'll not want to drop even when you do progress to a cartridge pistol. And quite frankly the progression will be much easier. Sparks first competitve outing with a .22 (having only shot air pistol to that point) with an unfamiliar machine gave him a fourth place finish in the 2006 Nationals and that was only by a point or two if I remember correctly.0 -
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I've owned quite a few 22lr's in pistols and rifles.
I would suggest that you pick up a 22lr revolver, like this
The Sig Mosquito and the Walther P22 are lovely guns to look at, however, the average 22LR round is a difficult to consistently cycle the action of automatics. In any auto, you may have to feed it specific ammo, at the very least more expensive ammo. This kind of defeats the purpose of my 22's - to shoot cheap.
Anyhow, there are some 22's that cycle well: the Browning Buckmark as you mentioned and the Ruger MK series.0 -
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