The Teaparties

Pocono Joe

KerranJast wrote: »

Conservatives need to unquestioningly support their Presidents decisions and not say anything that could be perceived as criticism. Anything else is unpatriotic and endangers American citizens security.
:rolleyes:

I hear you. Go against the ONE and Homeland Security might just send out directives to law enforcement agencies warning of potential heightened activity by these "right wing extremists"... Oh Wait...

thelordofcheese

KerranJast wrote: »

Conservatives need to unquestioningly support their Presidents decisions and not say anything that could be perceived as criticism. Anything else is unpatriotic and endangers American citizens security.

I see what you did there.

Funny. There’s an old saying that goes something like "You make fun of the things you're afraid of." And hey, if someone here has an obsession with teabagging... well to each his own. It’s just something some folks got to face up to.

We also mock the ridiculus, as can be seen here.
Also - I just love that people at these rallies are calling Obama a socialist and a fascist. Mutual exclusivity means nothing to them. Next thing you know, they try and say Obama is both black AND white......

hey, wait a second!

banquo

I love when Fox call Obama the first half-black president. The colour of his skin is brown, at least give him that.

@thelordofcheese, I believe the correct way to make your first point is this:



The fascist/socialist quandary always bothers me too. It's just namecalling.

Overheal

Pocono Joe wrote: »

I hear you. Go against the ONE and Homeland Security might just send out directives to law enforcement agencies warning of potential heightened activity by these "right wing extremists"... Oh Wait...

Im not quite sure if you understood the original sarcasm, which was about the Conservative driven idea that unless everyone gave their full support to the government post 9/11 it would expose the US to more attacks. Or maybe you did.

Anywho Jon Stewart did his homework yesterday and fished out some great Before (2001) and After (2009) clips of the folks at Fox News, like Sean Hannity and O'Reilly, on their dramatically shifted opinions about public protest over taxes just 8 short years later. Who'da thought, huh?

Video isnt up at the time of posting but you should be able to catch it on his homepage by the time you read this.

http://thedailyshow.com

Regarding the Fascism looneys, I think its hilarious...

http://www.ellensplace.net/fascism.html

1. No comment
2. Shutting down gitmo
3. No Bin Ladens here. Unless you count Bernie Madoff. And GM CEOs. Okay you can have that.
4. Cutting some of the most beautiful, excessive, needless programs ever Goodbye F-22 and Airborne Laser. We hardly knew ye.
5. Female Secretary of State
6. Nothing control about the lunatics in this asylum, clearly.
7. Immigration Reform?
8. I can't say anything here without getting banned, I am sure of it. Needless to say I have never liked what I saw.
9. I think we know how this is going
10. Werent we debating a new labor bill a couple months ago?
11. If the appaling intelligence of some (some) of these protesters is any indicator(!) *Badum Tssh!*
12. Not really
13. No
14. Definitely not

:rolleyes:

jank

Christ, it took the left a few years to get this pissed off at Bush, Obama isnt in office 100 days yet you would swear that there is a revolution out there...:pac: thats if you look at fox news. Majority of Americans state that he is going in the right direction regarding the economy and they approve of him so far. In fact the figures for the economy is as high as 75%. TBH this was a huge publicity stunt backed my fox and other right wing media outlets.

There will be always nuts on both sides. "Obama is Hitler" nuts on the right, "Bush is Hitler" on the left. The thing is when there were anti war demos, which by the way attracted millions of americans then the right focused on a few loonies breaking bottles or burning flags and ignored the public sentitment. However, other then blogs and that cnn one the main stream media instead of making hay of these new right wing nut jobs have basicly ignored the tea bags. Now if there were so liberally biased wouldnt they be replaying clips of these nuts over and over again protraying them as anti american ala fox?

Where were these guys the last 8 years when bush was trying to lower taxes but increase spending, yea thats going to work! The moveon.org crowd released a video about the national debt giving out about it about 4 years ago. But the right described them as left wing loons. Now they are in agreement! Can we all shake hands. American politics is the best comedy you can get!

Anyway tea party yawwwn!

Pocono Joe

Overheal wrote: »

Im not quite sure if you understood the original sarcasm, which was about the Conservative driven idea that unless everyone gave their full support to the government post 9/11 it would expose the US to more attacks. Or maybe you did.

Yeah I got it. Maybe you didn’t quite get my sarcastic response to it. Let me try and explain... You just noted "the Conservative driven idea that unless everyone gave their full support to the government post 9/11 it would expose the US to more attacks." Well think about it... the feelings you noted were merely words... Obama took action. Now isn’t that scary!

Also, if you get a chance, look into "Operation Vigilant Eagle."

thelordofcheese

Pocono Joe wrote: »

Yeah I got it. Maybe you didn’t quite get my sarcastic response to it. Let me try and explain... You just noted "the Conservative driven idea that unless everyone gave their full support to the government post 9/11 it would expose the US to more attacks." Well think about it... the feelings you noted were merely words... Obama took action. Now isn’t that scary!

Wait, the DHS has been doing this shit since 2002 and suddenly, now that their focus has shifted to a movement that is a beacon for anyone with any kind of beef against the current american government (as amply demonstrated by the protesters themselves), you've decided that it's a horrible organisation and it's not right?

Cry my a river, tbh. You don't get to champion the setting up an organisation who's raison d'être is to spy on american people and then cry foul when they spy on you.

Overheal

Pocono Joe wrote: »

Yeah I got it. Maybe you didn’t quite get my sarcastic response to it. Let me try and explain... You just noted "the Conservative driven idea that unless everyone gave their full support to the government post 9/11 it would expose the US to more attacks." Well think about it... the feelings you noted were merely words... Obama took action. Now isn’t that scary!

Just checking

Also, if you get a chance, look into "Operation Vigilant Eagle."

Hate speech is not protected by the constitution afaik, and white supremacists are known for a lot of it. That and if theyre buying up arms, wouldnt you want someone keeping an eye on them?

silverharp

this made me chuckle

"The message from folks in Greenville to Congressman Gresham Barrett was clear Friday evening: Voters are mad about the $700 billion bailout he voted for and the massive government stimulus package he is now supporting.

Barrett, a Republican, attempted to speak before an estimated crowd of 4,000 people at a Post Tax Day Tea Party in the Upstate only to be greeted by boos from most everyone in attendance. No other speakers were booed.

Protesters screamed “go home” and blew air horns during the duration of Barrett’s five minute speech. Some even turned their backs to him.

Messages on dozens of signs and hundreds of fliers also expressed a similar contempt for “Bailout Barrett.”

The gubernatorial candidate did his best to deliver his speech, but the crowd never let up.

“I know you’re mad, I know you’re frustrated, and I hear you,” a shaken Barrett said over the crowd. “You may turn your back on me, but I’ll never turn my back on you.”

Barrett has come under heavy fire across the state for his bailout and stimulus support, something that will seriously hamper his gubernatorial bid. Especially with so much of the anger coming from his own backyard in the Upstate. "

LostinKildare

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Wait, the DHS has been doing this shit since 2002 and suddenly, now that their focus has shifted to a movement that is a beacon for anyone with any kind of beef against the current american government (as amply demonstrated by the protesters themselves), you've decided that it's a horrible organisation and it's not right?

Cry my a river, tbh. You don't get to champion the setting up an organisation who's raison d'être is to spy on american people and then cry foul when they spy on you.

Agreed. You asked for the Orwellian bureaucracy, you got it. Where was the outrage from the Right a few years ago when Rumsfeld's people were spying on Quakers and grannies? (EDIT: in the case of the Quakers, maybe they were trying to spot the next Nixon, and if so, godspeed. )

And re the military, aside from the very real vulnerability of traumatised vets returning from an unpopular war to a depressed economy, there's already a significant group of dangerous extremists in the military. This was documented several years ago by Bush's DOD: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/washington/07recruit.html

Quote:
The report quotes Scott Barfield, a Defense Department investigator, saying, "Recruiters are knowingly allowing neo-Nazis and white supremacists to join the armed forces, and commanders don't remove them from the military even after we positively identify them as extremists or gang members."
Mr. Barfield said Army recruiters struggled last year to meet goals. "They don't want to make a big deal again about neo-Nazis in the military," he said, "because then parents who are already worried about their kids signing up and dying in Iraq are going to be even more reluctant about their kids enlisting if they feel they'll be exposed to gangs and white supremacists."

Personally, I would like the govt to keep an eye on the activities of true hate groups, and it seems like conservatives would want to draw a distinction between their own dissenting free speech and the hate speech of extremists rather than pretend that the DHS report is targeting them. Instead they're following the pied pipers Limbaugh, Malkin, Coulter, Bachmann, etc. right off a cliff.

Pocono Joe, if you’re concerned about the govt spying on average law-abiding citizens (and yes I think we all should be) then why don’t you make a donation to the ACLU? They do great work.

Pocono Joe

LostinKildare wrote: »

Pocono Joe, if you’re concerned about the govt spying on average law-abiding citizens (and yes I think we all should be) then why don’t you make a donation to the ACLU? They do great work.

Great Work? You think fighting for NAMBLA is "great work?" Sorry, but the American Criminal Liberties Union will never see a penny from me.

daveirl

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Overheal

Its all just Psychology 101. They didn't vote for him so whatever he does that slightly inconveniences them is fascist. And similarly 8 years ago with Bush, it was the Dems crying outrage and the Fiscal Conservatives mumbling "Meh".

Best example is Rushbo'. Failed out of college; the guy can't talk about Third Level Education without referring to it as Left-Wing Brainwashing camps :rolleyes: in his own words, I assure you.

LostinKildare

Pocono Joe wrote: »

Great Work? You think fighting for NAMBLA is "great work?" Sorry, but the American Criminal Liberties Union will never see a penny from me.

Yeah, I figured that. I was just poking you with a stick.

They did help Rush Limbaugh beat that drugs rap, though. Gotta give them props for that.

http://www.aclufl.org/news_events/?action=viewRelease&emailAlertID=41

TheHeadhunter

bobbyjoe wrote: »

nuts attending them... Tiny crowds as well.

So people angered by outrageous taxation and insane spending are nuts now? Wow. Did you know the average 20 year old will now have to pay around $114,000 in taxation over their lifetime simply to cover the interest on Obama's spending so far!?

Also at a tea party in new york they had in excess of 12,000 people in attendance. Tiny?

Nodin

TheHeadhunter wrote: »

So people angered by outrageous taxation

What outrageous taxation would that be....?

LostinKildare

TheHeadhunter wrote: »

Also at a tea party in new york they had in excess of 12,000 people in attendance. Tiny?

New York City? Source please.

TheHeadhunter

NYPD Estimate 12,000 were at the Tea Party in NYC.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/17/tea-party-protest-backers-ask-for-more/

The above article also states 12,000 may have been on hand to oppose Obama's socialist regime in Atlanta.

LostinKildare

TheHeadhunter wrote: »

NYPD Estimate 12,000 were at the Tea Party in NYC.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/17/tea-party-protest-backers-ask-for-more/

The above article also states 12,000 may have been on hand to oppose Obama's socialist regime in Atlanta.

I realise that the organisers said that the NYPD estimated 12,500 and that this figure has been repeated in the conservative blogosphere.

This is highly suspect -- as a matter of policy, the NYPD does not provide crowd estimates. Can you point to an official NYPD link or even a news source that gives that figure? (the wash times link above doesn't mention NYC)

The figure I've seen is 2,000, cited by the AP and reported by these news sources:

New York Newsday http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-tax-day-protests,0,7882137.story

San Diego Union Tribune http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/apr/15/bn15taxcopy-protests-rdp/

Salon http://mobile.salon.com/politics/war_room/feature/2009/04/16/nyc_party/index.html

and even Fox News http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/16/gop-hopes-pick-steam-tea-parties/


Just keeping you honest . . . .

af_thefragile

Ron Paul is the only sane person in the american congress.
I really really hope these "teaparties" are a success and they manage to pass the H.R. 1207 bill giving the government the right to audit the Federal Reserve of america.
A lot of ugly skeletons are buried in the Fed... if only one could dig them out.
Ron Paul is trying his best, i hope he succeeds!

Pocono Joe

The White House says the president is unaware of the tea parties and will hold his own event today," ABC’s Dan Harris said on "Good Morning America" on April 15.

I guess that says a whole lot now doesn’t it.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=319503

JohnMc1

Say what you want about the Tea parties but they were effective. Congress is now looking into ways of helping the banks without using taxpayer money.

LostinKildare

Pocono Joe wrote: »

The White House says the president is unaware of the tea parties and will hold his own event today," ABC’s Dan Harris said on "Good Morning America" on April 15.

I guess that says a whole lot now doesn’t it.

Yes. It says he regarded them as insignificant.

Or maybe his momma told him to just ignore the mean kids who call him names.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8vXkR7WDEc

Pocono Joe

Funny. I remember similar disdain and laissez-faire reporting attitude when Newt Grigrich first put forth the "Contract with America." How did that turn out?

In my opinion, if Obama regarded over 1,000,000 fiscally fed-up American’s involved in a grassroots gathering in all 50 states as insignificant, then the wrong man is sitting in the Whitehouse. Was the Million Man March insignificant? Was it ignored in the press? Oh the hypocrisy of it all.

Our children, their children, their children’s children will have to pay for the out-of-control spending Obama is proposing. That is taxation without representation for our future generations.

Anyone see the damage control CNN is mounting? I doubt it, so here it is.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95525

banquo

Interesting to see CNN doing it and not FOX. Though a Paulite, I think FOX's coverage has been ridiculously biased (what else is new), especially given how they treated Ron Paul during the primaries.

LostinKildare

Pocono Joe wrote: »

In my opinion, if Obama regarded over 1,000,000 fiscally fed-up American’s involved in a grassroots gathering in all 50 states as insignificant, then the wrong man is sitting in the Whitehouse. Was the Million Man March insignificant? Was it ignored in the press? Oh the hypocrisy of it all.

No, c’mon, he’s not ignoring you because you’re white, if that’s what you’re insinuating. He’s ignoring you because he can.

You don’t have the numbers to have any serious political clout. (In the interests of accuracy, I would like a source link to a news source that backs up your figure of 1 million, because that seems grossly inflated. About 300,000+ seems more likely: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/tea-party-nonpartisan-attendance.html).

Why don’t you have the numbers? Because the vast majority of Americans do not agree with you. Most people don’t get why you’re protesting about taxes when you just got a tax cut – the broadest tax cut in U.S. history, covering 95% of the population (and most people agree that the richest 5% should pay a bit more). Most people wonder why you’ve coopted the American Revolution’s “taxation without representation” war cry when in fact you do have representation (you did vote, didn’t you?). “Elections have consequences” and all that.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/117433/Views-Income-Taxes-Among-Positive-1956.aspx
See that? Americans are more satisfied with current tax rates than they have been in decades. And in fact, this year there are fewer Republicans unhappy with their tax rates than there were last year.

Don’t get me wrong --- even if you did have massive numbers, it might not get you very far. It didn’t do much for the many, many millions who protested the Iraq war over the last seven years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma84zNUKXd4


Welcome to being ignored, man.

Overheal

LostinKildare wrote: »

Because the vast majority of Americans do not agree with you. Most people don’t get why you’re protesting about taxes when you just got a tax cut – the broadest tax cut in U.S. history, covering 95% of the population (and most people agree that the richest 5% should pay a bit more). Most people wonder why you’ve coopted the American Revolution’s “taxation without representation” war cry when in fact you do have representation (you did vote, didn’t you?). “Elections have consequences” and all that.

Welcome to being ignored, man.

Couple holes:

"You just got a tax cut" not if you're part of the 5%.

"Most people don't agree" most people are not 5%.

"You do have representation" .... to be fair, their representation is largely being ignored. Obama not even acknowledging the protests? Oh yeah, you're being represented :rolleyes: Obama campaigned on Reaching Across The Aisle and we haven't seen it yet. Yes, the Reps have disagreed with the majority of his proposals but that does not make it OK for the President, who is supposed to govern from the Middle, to go La La La I Don't Hear You. You can't justify that behaviour by saying Dick Cheney Did It! Waaah!

They aren't just complaining about taxes either. Its as much to do with the Stimulus plan, and how dramatically spending has been increased since he took Office. I have to admit the Republicans turned out to be prophetic: he raised tax on the rich, and increased spending, largely on projects which favor the poor/middle class. It is, in fact, a redistribution of wealth. However you feel about that is entirely up to yourself. I think it has obvious benefits; but on the other hand when my Dad shows me his tax return and the $35k++ he paid in taxes this year (~$200k Income), it gives me a bit of pause.

The big picture, folks, is We are taking the money of These People, and Using it how We Want. This is what they mean by Taxation and Representation. Obviously, when you throw down more money than your friends for the Pizza that night, you expect to have a say in which toppings you get. On the other hand, your 4 other friends disagree with you, call you a smelly douche, and get a meatlovers, even though you're a vegetarian. Crude analogy, but thats essentially what has been going on as of late.

Or the Lolocaust version - They get Ham and Pineapple, even though you're a Rich Kosher Jew (j/k)

Pocono Joe

LostinKildare wrote: »

No, c’mon, he’s not ignoring you because you’re white, if that’s what you’re insinuating. He’s ignoring you because he can.

It was a more a dig at the mainstream media. I was using the Million Man March example more for a comparison of numbers... and media bias of course.

In the interests of accuracy, I would like a source link to a news source that backs up your figure of 1 million, because that seems grossly inflated.

Here ya go
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=95230

Why don’t you have the numbers? Because the vast majority of Americans do not agree with you.

I think it is more the fact that the vast majority of American's who sympathize with the Tea Party cause, actually WORK FOR A LIVING. I probably would have gone to a local Tea Party if I didn't need to work that day. But that's okay... just keep thinking that way. I see another is scheduled for July 4th.

Most people wonder why you’ve coopted the American Revolution’s “taxation without representation” war cry when in fact you do have representation (you did vote, didn’t you?). “Elections have consequences” and all that.

Of course I voted, and unlike the numerous people I saw interviewed on election day suffering with Obamaphobia, I actually knew who people like Joe Biden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad were. Also, you obviously missed my earlier comment, so I will repeat it for you "Our children, their children, their children’s children will have to pay for the out-of-control spending Obama is proposing. That is taxation without representation for our future generations." (Is that what you meant by being ignored )

Americans are more satisfied with current tax rates than they have been in decades. And in fact, this year there are fewer Republicans unhappy with their tax rates than there were last year.

Just wait... the "people" don't know what they have in store for them... Just one example, many don't know how the effects of Cap and Trade taxiation will impact them... YET.

Don’t get me wrong --- even if you did have massive numbers, it might not get you very far.

You might be correct. I keep remember Obama's comments about the "suburbs," and also about people of Pennsylvania.

Pocono Joe

bobbyjoe wrote: »

What do ye think of these tea parties? (...)
the nuts attending them. Tiny crowds as well.

Sorry but I can’t resist....
NUTS to the LEFT of me, CROWDS on the RIGHT
Here I am, amok in the piddle with you.

Overheal

? Riddle?

Is it a Squirrel?