Next Generation IPhone to take on NFC cashless technology.

Run_to_da_hills

humanji wrote: »

It's one step closer in the same way that getting an internet connection is one step closer to becoming a pedophile.

Exactly, this is why the authorities in Brussels want to pass legislation to track and store all your personal internet traffic to make sure that you are not a pedophile.

thecommander

Still has nothing to do with iPhone.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Exactly, this is why the authorities in Brussels want to pass legislation to track and store all your personal internet traffic to make sure that you are not a pedophile.

That's not the point he was making.
Getting an internet connection does not invariable lead to you become a pedophile.

Run_to_da_hills

thecommander wrote: »

Still has nothing to do with iPhone.

Yes it has, like all forms of digital communication, EU legislation requests the retention of data. In other words when these phones are introduced all purchase records will be retained, just like any other credit /debit card transaction.

thecommander

So your admitting the video and claim isn't true?

Why, when caught out, do you change your arguement? Happens alot.

6th

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Read my thread again, You CANNOT pay cash at the Westlink toll plaza because the Option is GONE, end of.

Can you just CONFIRM that this post by you is completely WRONG?

bonkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Not alone can NFC phones track you as you travel through cell site analysis, they will also track, log and time ALL your future cashless purchasing habits.

No, they won't.

if I carry an NFC phone, it absolutely, categorically will not track me using my credit card to purchase something. It will not track me using my debit card to purchase something.

If, what you are saying is that "the people behind cashless systems" will track my cashless purchasing habits....well they already do so. They need to. They record the place, time, and purchase value. The latter is required for account-management. The former two are required for dealing with cases of fraud.

Move that payment system from a piece of plastic onto my phone...and gosh...nothing has changed. They still need to record where and when it was used, and for how much.

Run_to_da_hills

thecommander wrote: »

So your admitting the video and claim isn't true?

Why, when caught out, do you change your arguement? Happens alot.

I believe it is well true and only a matter of time. NFC has been used in Asia for the last few years with the Nokia 6212 and the more recent 6131. I am very surprised that this technology has been so slow to take off. Apple are not going to ignore something that could possibly boost their sales particularly if it becomes a trend.

Mobile Phone manufacturers are constantly pushing for the latest gadget to boost sales. We started with just a basic handset, then SMS, colour screen, basic games, Cam Phones, MP3. MP4, java compatibility, touch screen, music, etc.

They cannot introduce any major leap too promptly as destributers would end up stuck with current stock. We have seen the PC industry play at this game for years.

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I believe it is well true and only a matter of time. NFC has been used in Asia for the last few years with the Nokia 6212 and the more recent 6131. I am very surprised that this technology has been so slow to take off. Apple are not going to ignore something that could possibly boost their sales particularly if it becomes a trend.

Mobile Phone manufacturers are constantly pushing for the latest gadget to boost sales. We started with just a basic handset, then SMS, colour screen, basic games, Cam Phones, MP3. MP4, java compatibility, touch screen, music, etc.

They cannot introduce any major leap too promptly as destributers would end up stuck with current stock. We have seen the PC industry play at this game for years.

Ah ok, just your thread title said "Next Generation IPhone to take on NFC cashless technology". I took that as a statement, rather than a roundabout way of saying it might happen. I felt misled.

Woger

thecommander wrote: »

Ah ok, just your thread title said "Next Generation IPhone to take on NFC cashless technology". I took that as a statement, rather than a roundabout way of saying it might happen. I felt misled.

The word that launched a million posts.

Run_to_da_hills

Update: Expect these to be on the shelves by Autumn possibly in time for IPhone 5.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/may/28/mobile-phones-cashless-society

hooradiation

That's pretty cool.

Run_to_da_hills

hooradiation wrote: »

That's pretty cool.

Cancer at 27.56 MHZ.

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its just ONE step closer towards the track n' trace cashless society as the net closes in eventually you will have no other option. London now has already got an 80% registered Ostercard population. The public were conned into this system by cheaper travell as opposed to cash. It is only a matter of time and you will not be able to purchase these tickets over the counter.

But it is cheaper - London Underground don't have to manage loads of cash. That means it's more efficient. That's one of the key reasons that the wealth of the West has exploded since the 60s - greater efficiency due to IT. It's not surprising that the public sector is gradually catching up.

Run_to_da_hills

Monty Burnz wrote: »

But it is cheaper - London Underground don't have to manage loads of cash. That means it's more efficient. That's one of the key reasons that the wealth of the West has exploded since the 60s - greater efficiency due to IT. It's not surprising that the public sector is gradually catching up.

But with all this all the authorities need to do is to contact your service provider for transactions and transit movements if they suspect you are out of line. Everything is becoming more transparent.

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

But with all this all the authorities need to do is to contact your service provider for transactions and transit movements if they suspect you are out of line. Everything is becoming more transparent.

They have the information, but it's no use to them. They may have the data, but they can't make any use of it - what will they do with it, and where will the manpower come from? On the other hand, it would be pretty handing for solving crimes - if they have legal permission to use the data.

I really don't think the British government cares where Joe Bloggs is going day to day. And if they really want to track you, they could and would use other means anyway.

Run_to_da_hills

Monty Burnz wrote: »

They have the information, but it's no use to them. They may have the data, but they can't make any use of it - what will they do with it, and where will the manpower come from? On the other hand, it would be pretty handing for solving crimes - if they have legal permission to use the data.

I really don't think the British government cares where Joe Bloggs is going day to day. And if they really want to track you, they could and would use other means anyway.

NFC / RFID phones will leave digital prints on every item purchased or transit turnstile that is tagged with.

All this information must be stored under the 2006 EU data retention for two years and can be accessed as evidence or used by the authorities should they need it. If they a a tip off about someone they can flag their account and track them live on the system.

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

NFC / RFID phones will leave digital prints on every item purchased or transit turnstile that is tagged with.

All this information must be stored under the 2006 EU data retention for two years and can be accessed as evidence or used by the authorities should they need it. If they a a tip off about someone they can flag their account and track them live on the system.

Fine with me if they do. They aren't going to watch everybody - the resources aren't there. They can't even track the actual criminals and terrorists.

Run_to_da_hills

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Fine with me if they do. They aren't going to watch everybody - the resources aren't there. They can't even track the actual criminals and terrorists.

They don't need to watch anyone at all, its just the vast amount of personal information that can be built up and held at their disposal.

robtri

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They don't need to watch anyone at all, its just the vast amount of personal information that can be built up and held at their disposal.

technically using public transport isnt personal information....

hooradiation

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Cancer at 27.56 MHZ.

Given that mobile phones are in the same bracket of things that "might cause cancer" as coffee, I'm far more worried about the pot or so of that i manage to drink per day then I am about my phone.

Which is a round about way of saying "not at all".

studiorat

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Cancer at 27.56 MHZ.

More voodoo. Do these fear mongers ever tire of themselves?

@RTDH, I really think you believe this crap simply because you want to. Mobile phones have been tracked for at least the past 10 years since GSM anyway. Why are you stilling banging on about it?

Run_to_da_hills

studiorat wrote: »

More voodoo. Do these fear mongers ever tire of themselves?

@RTDH, I really think you believe this crap simply because you want to. Mobile phones have been tracked for at least the past 10 years since GSM anyway. Why are you stilling banging on about it?

Of course service providers, phone makers and governments etc won't disclose the dangers of mobile phones particularly so in that they are the ultimate tools for keeping tabs on the sheeple.

Your Average cell phone is omitting several different frequencies at once, more so in smart phones. GSM, Bluetooth, Wifi, and now RFID.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Your Average cell phone is omitting several different frequencies at once, more so in smart phones. GSM, Bluetooth, Wifi, and now RFID.

Oh no! Not frequencies!
And that picture looks terrifying.

It's a good thing I actually know how radiation and radio waves work, otherwise your scaremongering propaganda might be effective.

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Of course service providers, phone makers and governments etc won't disclose the dangers of mobile phones particularly so in that they are the ultimate tools for keeping tabs on the sheeple.

Your Average cell phone is omitting several different frequencies at once, more so in smart phones. GSM, Bluetooth, Wifi, and now RFID.

Well, these phones have been ubiquitous for more than a decade - I've had one since about 97, so nearly 15 years. Where are all the cancer cases? I don't know a single person who's had cancer in their head.

studiorat

Never ceases to amuse me. A sniff of the word radiation and they run a mile. Oh no! Not the deadly frequencies!!!

Mobile phones are able to be traced by their very nature, they aren't called cell phones for no reason. It's no secret, people just don't care.

But hey! If you want to give a 4 year old a mobile phone like the ones in RTDH's favorite picture don't forget to get them one of these :

or this :

Mahatma coat

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Well, these phones have been ubiquitous for more than a decade - I've had one since about 97, so nearly 15 years. Where are all the cancer cases? I don't know a single person who's had cancer in their head.

Ah but, You dont walk around with your phone up toyour head all day do you

You mostly have it in your pocket

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Ah but, You dont walk around with your phone up toyour head all day do you

You mostly have it in your pocket

But MC, that shows that the rate has been going up since 1975, long before mobiles were in common use (let alone fit in your pocket) and there doesn't seem to be any sort of spike that would correspond with the sudden popularity of them...

Mahatma coat

why would there be a Spike for 'Sudden' Polularity?

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

why would there be a Spike for 'Sudden' Polularity?

Because there was a sudden rise in mobile phone usage.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0933563.html
If mobile phones did cause cancer you would see cancer rates to spike accordingly to the sudden increases in usage.
However your graph shows no such thing. Instead it shows a steady rise starting well before common mobile phone usage.