Referenda Results

Awayindahils

Stargal wrote: »

What was the turn-out?

1250 or there abouts.

JC 2K3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcXQimc6Fiw

Crash

Fernanda Skinny Barrier wrote: »

Killing a foetus - not the same as supporting coca cola.

But anyway:
*doesnt take the bait*

Bubye.

I hear coke kills foetuses.

JC 2K3

Columbian workers are just clumps of cells.

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

Hooray for TCD students telling the SU where to **** off when it tries to tell us what to think, and what to drink!

Bit late I know, but have been banned till now for reasons that were never really adequatly explained...

It's a bit pathetic that some people on the no side "u know who u r lol" are decrying the pro-coke side as a fake campaign perpetuated by people who merely want to garnish their CVs. I would guess that it is their narrow minded attitudes refusing to accept the possibility that anyone could possibly be passionate about economic freedom of choice or capitalist ideals or even just not enjoying having a point of view thrust down their throat...

Can we get an explanation for the comparisons to Lisbon?

JC 2K3

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI wrote: »

Can we get an explanation for the comparisons to Lisbon?

Something to do with abortion, afaik.

Abimelech

And Elijah came near unto all the people, and said: 'How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him.' And the people answered him not a word.

Then said Elijah unto the people: 'I, even I only, am left a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men.

Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on the wood, and put no fire under; and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on the wood, and put no fire under.

And call ye on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the LORD; and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God.' And all the people answered and said: 'It is well spoken.'

And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal: 'Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your god, but put no fire under.'

And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying: 'O Baal, answer us.' But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they danced in halting wise about the altar which was made.

And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said: 'Cry aloud; for he is a god; either he is musing, or he is gone aside, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.'

And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with swords and lances, till the blood gushed out upon them.

1 Kings 18: 21-28

The allegory is clear.....

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

Abimelech wrote: »

And Elijah came near unto all the people, and said: 'How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him.' And the people answered him not a word.

Then said Elijah unto the people: 'I, even I only, am left a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men.

Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on the wood, and put no fire under; and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on the wood, and put no fire under.

And call ye on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the LORD; and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God.' And all the people answered and said: 'It is well spoken.'

And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal: 'Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your god, but put no fire under.'

And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying: 'O Baal, answer us.' But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they danced in halting wise about the altar which was made.

And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said: 'Cry aloud; for he is a god; either he is musing, or he is gone aside, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.'

And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with swords and lances, till the blood gushed out upon them.

1 Kings 18: 21-28

The allegory is clear.....

Said it far better than I ever could

Abimelech

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI wrote: »

Said it far better than I ever could

We all know who are the false gods of TCDSU!!

supersheep

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI wrote: »

Can we get an explanation for the comparisons to Lisbon?

Continual re-runnings of the referendum until the 'right' result was obtained. Fourth time, isn't it?

ilovemybrick wrote: »

This was organised by a group of people who did this independently. I don't believe in free fees under the model that is currently in place nor do I agree with the model touted by USI or TCDSU. If I did then maybe I would have been motivated to help improve the protests.

This is a little telling - shouldn't people who are involved in the SU be supporting mandates from the students rather than following their own personal politics?

Also, I'm interested as to the mention of a non-campaign member being abusive. What were the circumstances?

However, for all my dislike of the Yes campaign as a campaign and all that, I will give them that they did run a fairly good campaign. We lost and they won, let's not be sore losers.

BertrandMeyer

Abimelech wrote: »

And Elijah came near unto all the people, and said: 'How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him.' And the people answered him not a word.

Then said Elijah unto the people: 'I, even I only, am left a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men.

Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on the wood, and put no fire under; and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on the wood, and put no fire under.

And call ye on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the LORD; and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God.' And all the people answered and said: 'It is well spoken.'

And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal: 'Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your god, but put no fire under.'

And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying: 'O Baal, answer us.' But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they danced in halting wise about the altar which was made.

And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said: 'Cry aloud; for he is a god; either he is musing, or he is gone aside, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.'

And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with swords and lances, till the blood gushed out upon them.

1 Kings 18: 21-28

The allegory is clear.....

Yes, but:


What is there so great, who hath preserved us, and they gave him his ornaments. For the arrows which I boast of things hoped for, the evidence of things made of any man's seed hath God according to his baptism, he said in my soul.

For this ye know, and consider, and behold who hath God the heavens do rule. Wherefore, O king, come down with sleep, and seeing the young child was. When there were knops compassing it, ten in a charger the head to the woman, Thy faith hath saved us, and not increased the more carefully, that, when Abraham's servant heard their reproach, O LORD, into which the locust went up all slain before Israel: and Hezekiah went up the meek: he casteth the wicked turn from these vanities unto the people pitched round about are against the king.

Haman said moreover, Oh that one should let his net that they understand not; and I gathered them together upon heaps: and the dragon gave him the seed royal of the way, give diligence to the multitude.

Then came Isaiah the prophet Jeremiah. And Ebedmelech the Ethiopian said unto Aaron and Hurr, 'Are with thee will I tear, and the goat, which was good and acceptable in the lower pavement.'

Isaias 12: 32-39

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

supersheep wrote: »

Continual re-runnings of the referendum until the 'right' result was obtained. Fourth time, isn't it?

AS YOU WELL KNOW the two are completely different, as (ignoring postgrads, repeating, non-four year courses, dropouts etc.) the student body changes drastically within a few small years, and after 2 years fully half of the students were not there for the original vote. How many years in the 'real world' before half the people who voted on the Lisbon Treaty are dead and gone?

Denerick

I'm pretty sure a Che Guevara shrine went up in smoke after this ludicrous issue was resolved.

Fad

I think this enlightening bible passage clears alot of the issue up

2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB wrote:

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.

ilovemybrick

supersheep wrote: »

This is a little telling - shouldn't people who are involved in the SU be supporting mandates from the students rather than following their own personal politics?

I have no mandate from anyone. I represent no class, faculty or group of people. So no.

supersheep wrote: »

Also, I'm interested as to the mention of a non-campaign member being abusive. What were the circumstances?

It was one individual who got very shouty in the arts block. As he came up the stairs he stopped and spoke to the "no" campaigner on the steps and then as he passed the group of "yes" campaigners he was offered a manifesto. He then turned and shouted at some of the team and got a bit abusive. When we argued with the rant he was having he got aggressive. He was shouting and personally abusing me and others on the team. He scarpered very quickly when security were called.

He was not a campaigner and not indicative of them. He seemed like a conspiracy theorist rather than someone who understood the referendum.He was needlessly aggressive and frankly made himself look like a fool.

supersheep wrote: »

However, for all my dislike of the Yes campaign as a campaign and all that, I will give them that they did run a fairly good campaign. We lost and they won, let's not be sore losers.

I wish the teams could have had a chance to debate the issue. It would have been productive and interesting. Other than that it was a good referendum overall.

BertrandMeyer

Your signature links to Comedy Soc. Your argument is invalid.

Denerick

He was not a campaigner and not indicative of them. He seemed like a conspiracy theorist rather than someone who understood the referendum.He was needlessly aggressive and frankly made himself look like a fool.

Hadn't heard anything bout this. Any idea of who he was? Will it be in one of the student papers soon?

Jonathan

Denerick wrote: »

Hadn't heard anything bout this. Any idea of who he was? Will it be in one of the student papers soon?

Well seeing as the su hacks run the papers too, i'd guess so.

Abimelech

ilovemybrick wrote: »

I have no mandate from anyone. I represent no class, faculty or group of people. So no.

It was one individual who got very shouty in the arts block. As he came up the stairs he stopped and spoke to the "no" campaigner on the steps and then as he passed the group of "yes" campaigners he was offered a manifesto. He then turned and shouted at some of the team and got a bit abusive. When we argued with the rant he was having he got aggressive. He was shouting and personally abusing me and others on the team. He scarpered very quickly when security were called.

He was not a campaigner and not indicative of them. He seemed like a conspiracy theorist rather than someone who understood the referendum.He was needlessly aggressive and frankly made himself look like a fool.

And who knoweth whether he will be a wise man or a fool? Yet will he have rule over all my labour wherein I have laboured, and wherein I have shown myself wise under the sun. This also is vanity.

Ecclesiastes 2:19

Mark200

BertrandMeyer wrote: »

Your signature links to Comedy Soc. Your argument is invalid.

No, it just means his argument is funny.

andrew

Am I the only one not getting the bible quotes?

1 Samuel 18:25-27

And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king's enemies. But Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines.

And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king's son in law: and the days were not expired.

Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.

Fad

andrew wrote: »

Am I the only one not getting the bible quotes?

I'd say the guy* who's posting them doesnt really even get em tbh.


*Except my one, its almost too relevant.

Abimelech

andrew wrote: »

Am I the only one not getting the bible quotes?

The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails well fastened are those that are composed in collections; they are given from one shepherd.

And furthermore, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

Ecclesiastes 12: 11-12

andrew

Abimelech wrote: »

The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails well fastened are those that are composed in collections; they are given from one shepherd.

And furthermore, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

Ecclesiastes 12: 11-12

Numbers 22:29

Balaam answered the donkey, "You have made a fool of me! If I had a sword in my hand, I would kill you right now."

Abimelech

Fad wrote: »

I'd say the guy* who's posting them doesnt really even get em tbh.


*Except my one, its almost too relevant.

Happy is the man that hath not walked in the counsel of the wicked,
nor stood in the way of sinners, nor sat in the seat of the scoffers.

But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in His law doth he meditate day and night.

And he shall be like a tree planted by streams of water, that bringeth forth its fruit in its season, and whose leaf doth not wither; and in whatsoever he doeth he shall prosper.

Not so the wicked; but they are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

Psalms 1: 1-4

EGaffney

Jesus wept...

Abimelech

andrew wrote: »

Numbers 22:29

Balaam answered the donkey, "You have made a fool of me! If I had a sword in my hand, I would kill you right now."

And the LORD spoke unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them:

Speak unto the children of Israel, saying: These are the living things which ye may eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is wholly cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that may ye eat.

Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that only chew the cud, or of them that only part the hoof: the camel, because he cheweth the cud but parteth not the hoof, he is unclean unto you.

Leviticus 11: 1-4

andrew

Abimelech wrote: »

And the LORD spoke unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them:

Speak unto the children of Israel, saying: These are the living things which ye may eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is wholly cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that may ye eat.

Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that only chew the cud, or of them that only part the hoof: the camel, because he cheweth the cud but parteth not the hoof, he is unclean unto you.

Leviticus 11: 1-4

Leviticus 18:7
Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

Fad

andrew wrote: »

Leviticus 18:7
Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

Now you're getting it :pac:

Abimelech

EGaffney wrote: »

Jesus wept...

"And all these things of Jesus the Nazarene, and of Muhammad the Ishmaelite who stood after him – there is no purpose but to straighten out the way for the King Messiah, and to restore all the world to serve God together. So that it is said, “Because then I will turn toward the nations giving them a clear lip, to call all of them in the name of God and to serve God shoulder to shoulder as one shoulder.” (Zephaniah 3:9). Look how all the world already becomes full of the things of the Messiah, and the things of the Torah, and the things of the commandments! And these things spread among the far islands and among the many nations uncircumcized of heart.

Mishnah Torah of Rabbi Moshe Bin Maimon, Hilkhot Melakhim 11:10–12

Abimelech

Fad wrote: »

Now you're getting it :pac:

A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.

Proverbs 25:26

andrew

Job 18:3
Why are we regarded as cattle and considered stupid in your sight?

BertrandMeyer

Jesus 23: 1-2

I slept with your wife. And it was good.

andrew

BertrandMeyer wrote: »

Jesus 23: 1-2

I slept with your wife. And it was good.

Leviticus 18:20
Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor's wife and defile yourself with her.

Abimelech

andrew wrote: »

Job 18:3
Why are we regarded as cattle and considered stupid in your sight?

Then spirit entered into me, and set me upon my feet; and He spoke with me, and said unto me: 'Go, shut thyself within thy house.

But thou, son of man, behold, bands shall be put upon thee, and thou shalt be bound with them, and thou shalt not go out among them;

And I will make thy tongue cleave to the roof of thy mouth, that thou shalt be dumb, and shalt not be to them a reprover; for they are a rebellious house.

But when I speak with thee, I will open thy mouth, and thou shalt say unto them: Thus saith the Lord GOD; he that heareth, let him hear, and he that forbeareth, let him forbear; for they are a rebellious house.

Ezekiel 3:24-27

Abimelech

andrew wrote: »

Leviticus 18:20
Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor's wife and defile yourself with her.

And the LORD saw that Leah was hated, and he opened her womb; but Rachel was barren

And Leah conceived, and bore a son, and she called his name Reuben; for she said: 'Because the LORD hath looked upon my affliction; for now my husband will love me.'

And she conceived again, and bore a son; and said: 'Because the LORD hath heard that I am hated, He hath therefore given me this son also.' And she called his name Simeon.

And she conceived again, and bore a son; and said: 'Now this time will my husband be joined unto me, because I have borne him three sons.' Therefore was his name called Levi.

And she conceived again, and bore a son; and she said: 'This time will I praise the LORD.' Therefore she called his name Judah; and she left off bearing.

Genesis 29: 31-35

Agent Smith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_79ufqZ5H9M

maybe the SU could orginise people to Beat this world record?!?

Abimelech

Agent Smith wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_79ufqZ5H9M

maybe the SU could orginise people to Beat this world record?!?

And the LORD said: 'Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is what they begin to do; and now nothing will be withholden from them, which they purpose to do.

Come, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.'

So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth

Genesis 11: 6-8

andrew

Agent Smith wrote: »

maybe the SU could orginise people to Beat this world record?!?

Ezekiel 7:11
Violence has grown into a rod to punish wickedness; none of the people will be left, none of that crowd—no wealth, nothing of value.

Isaiah 40:30
Even youths grow tired and weary,

Genesis 28:11
When he reached a certain place, he stopped for the night because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones there, he put it under his head and lay down to sleep.

Denerick

When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:

Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her. Deuteronomy 25:11-12

ApeXaviour

Could people stay on topic please? Less of the bible quotes. This is a caution.

torrential

Voted in favour of abolishing the ban. I appreciate the arguments of both sides, but it's my right to choose whether I want to boycott a product or not. The results show that this is a non issue for the majority of students, and the boycott came about because of a vocal minority who were (as far as I can see) misinformed.

As has been said in this and the previous thread, Coca Cola in Ireland has little other than a name in common with CC Columbia. It'd be like you boycotting Spar stores here because an owner in England mistreated his workers. It's a franchise, Coca Cola as a corporation probably neither knows nor gives a damn about a few hundred Trinity Students.

Randomness

Turnout was so bad. I mean they gave out free pencils, why wouldn't ya vote.

PurpleFistMixer

What? I didn't get a free pencil. Bastards...

Also: TCD afaik was the first high profile place to boycott Coke, after which other universities and other countries took it up, so saying it was pointless is somewhat misleading perahps...

Randomness

Yep, the Please Talk pencils!

I suppose what I think is this...

Trinity taking a stand on things is good.

The wording of the Coke issue was wrong/out-dated/unproven/etc. and needed to be changed.

Now people have the free choice to either buy or not buy coke products, as they should.

However it is a shame that we aren't more proactive in our stance on different issues e.g boycotting things, we are in college after all and we should be more rebelious before we get all sensible and grown up.

tolosenc

Randomness wrote: »

However it is a shame that we aren't more proactive in our stance on different issues e.g boycotting things, we are in college after all and we should be more rebelious before we get all sensible and grown up.

What? There is one rebel without a cause too many around the place.

PurpleFistMixer

Apparently we're rather tame compared to students of decades gone by.

tolosenc

And those of other colleges.

shay_562

Actual conversation I had today (with a second year):

"Any idea how that Coke referendum went? I forgot to vote."
"It passed - Coke is back."
"Aw, that's a shame. I liked it - it made us different from other universities."
"...You know there's a bunch of other universites that had the same boycott, right?"
"Really? Aw. Well, we should do something to make ourselves different...maybe we should boycott Nestlé? They're pretty bad, right?"
"...We do boycott Nestlé."
"...really?"


Ever get the feeling that 90% of what goes on in the college goes over the heads of 90% of the people?

Denerick

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

Apparently we're rather tame compared to students of decades gone by.

I think its because we've more sense now. Certainly protest things that need protesting, but a lot of the modern attempts by students to be 'radical' just always seems like an attempt by a student to appear radical. Pretty sad really.

Greatest example is probably all the anarchist flags at the fee's protest. I can't even begin to say how funny I found that irony! (And how funny I found their idiocy and contempt for appearing as hypocrites)