Eamon Dunphy's greatest Rep of Ireland XI

Denis Irwin

That he's seen or played with:



-Shay Given

-Dennis Irwin
-Paul McGrath
-Charlie Hurley
-Tony Dunne

-Liam Brady
-John Giles
-Roy Keane
-Ronnie Whelan

-Frank Stapleton
-Kevin Doyle

http://www.todayfm.com/Shows/Weekdays/Ian-Dempsey-Breakfast-Show/podcastaudio.aspx

Hard to argue with most of the choices but Doyle ahead of Keane

DSB

I listened to that at the time and laughed so much at the Doyle inclusion.

ziggy

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Denis Irwin

Whatever about the exclusion of Robbie. That is a f***ing cracking looking midfield.

noodler

Don't think Doyle's inclusion is strange in the slightest. His all-round game is very, very good.


Keeping his fellow pundits happy-not that I disagree.

thegen

that's just one of them. What about Lawrenson, Moran or O'Leary ahead of Hurley.

Staunton, Chris Hughton ahead of Tony Dunne.

Up front, Aldridge and probably a few more to boot.

redout

Anyone who listens to Dunphy instead of criticising him would know he rates Doyle very highly and always has.


p.s. Doyle is a better player than Robbie anyway. Goals Robbie has more but Doyles all round play is far better.

Denis Irwin

thegen wrote: »

that's just one of them. What about Lawrenson, Moran or O'Leary ahead of Hurley.

Staunton, Chris Hughton ahead of Tony Dunne.

Up front, Aldridge and probably a few more to boot.

Why ?

You do know we did have great players playing for us before the 1980's.

noodler

redout wrote: »

Anyone who listens to Dunphy instead of criticising him would know he rates Doyle very highly and always has.

He is not alone. John Giles reckons he is easily good enough for a top6 (even top 4) club and has printed as much in the Herald on many ocassion.

He is having a weaker end of the season though.

However, taking an average of his two seasons in the prem goalwise is impressive enough. When you see Adebayor stroll around the pitch for Arsenal like he doesn't care I think it is easy to see why.

thegen

Denis Irwin wrote: »

Why ?

You do know we did have great players playing for us before the 1980's.

Yes I do know, saw footage of the players mentioned. But after all this forum is about Dunphys choices and questioning them , not to question my choices.


The midfield is superb. Giles is from the 50, 60 and 70's no questioning him.

Rikand

that's a pretty solid team right there! Good selections

m@cc@

No Gary Breens?!

DSB

Robbie Keane in 2002 is better than anything Kevin Doyle will ever amount to.

Daysha

Not including the all-time Irish goalscorer in the all-time Irish XI is bordering on lunacy.

But this is Eamonn Dunphy we're talking about after all :rolleyes:

Rikand

Disappointed there's no Zinedine Kilbane in there tbh

gustavo

Kevin Doyle over Robbie Keane = Fail

zAbbo

Best XI's and Top 10 lists etc. only serve one purpose = debate

Dunphy 1 - 0 Boards

noodler

Wow, the Robbie Keane hype is amazing.

When Doyle improves his Ireland goal scoring record over the next few years-his other attributes will push him over the top for me.

Keane can be marked out of a game-Doyle can't.

We can't dismiss Keane just because he has scored 75% of his goals aginst crap opponents-I agree-but surely you all can see the contribution Kevin Doyle has made since becoming a regular-nothing short of outstanding.

FreeOSCAR

noodler wrote: »

Keane can be marked out of a game-Doyle can't.

Any player can be marked out of a game once the correct marker is on him. Im sure other national managers see Keane as a bigger threat to score goals more than doyler hence why they would pick a player to man mark him.

Either player is a decent pick for me but at the end until Kevin does well in a Major Championship like Robbie did then Keane is in for me.

noodler

I am just saying there is a case to be made. I would pick Keane for his overall contribution-I can't pick Doyle based on how much more he WILL achieve but we will see.

I will rephrase though-Keane can be anonymous on the pitch for 90 minutes, Doyle is never out of a game.

Thanx 4 The Fish

A striker can have great all round play but if he does not add the gols then he may as well be a winger or an MC.

Keane >>>>>>> Doyle

Frankie Lee

Niall Quinn was better than both of them.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Well his all round play was quite good

That_Guy

Why isn't Clinton Morrison in there? :rolleyes:

Also as good a keeper that Shay Given is I'm a little surprised he didn't go for Bonner.

LuckyLloyd

Wow, that midfield would crush.

noodler

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

A striker can have great all round play but if he does not add the gols then he may as well be a winger or an MC.

Keane >>>>>>> Doyle

That is very naive, especially considering Doyle's Irish performances over the last 3/4 years. The amount of games against superior opposition where he is holding the ball up, /contesting/winning every long ball we pump at him and generally working his socks off to gain us ground. You don't generally see Keane scoring in these games, nevertheless the difference between Keane and Doyle's respective performances in such situations is overwhelming.

Nunu

Denis Irwin wrote: »

That he's seen or played with:



-Shay Given

-Dennis Irwin
-Paul McGrath
-Charlie Hurley
-Tony Dunne

-Liam Brady
-John Giles
-Roy Keane
-Ronnie Whelan

-Frank Stapleton
-Kevin Doyle

http://www.todayfm.com/Shows/Weekdays/Ian-Dempsey-Breakfast-Show/podcastaudio.aspx

Hard to argue with most of the choices but Doyle ahead of Keane

I find it hilarious that you of all people Denis Irwin have spelled Irwins name as Dennis Irwin...if you catch my drift?:D

...anyway cracking team, but Robbie Keanes exclusion is laughable.

Berti Vogts

Kevin Doyle is a good championship striker, no more no less. To suggest that he's been a better striker over the years than Quinn, Aldridge and Keane is ridiculous imo.

noodler

Possibilities wrote: »

Kevin Doyle is a good championship striker, no more no less. To suggest that he's been a better striker over the years than Quinn, Aldridge and Keane is ridiculous imo.

Eh...yeah...except for when he is scoring goals in the premiership.

This your first season following football?

Bubs101

Don't know why people are amazed at keane's exclusion. it's a Dunphy list. Name 9 near guarantee's with one choice to get people kind of talking and then say something so ridiculous it will get you attention. He's a troll

Berti Vogts

Yeah, with a relegated team. You from Wexford perchance?

noodler

Possibilities wrote: »

Yeah, with a relegated team. You from Wexford perchance?

Ahahaha

What about the season before that?

This is my main problem with the fairweather Irish supporters. Keane's goalscoring record can't really be knocked but then someone posts a Keane Vs Doyle comparison and of course some people simply can't recognise the other qualities in Doyle's performances besides goals.

Theres no need to try and completely downtalk Doyle just because you feel Keane should be in the best XI.

Berti Vogts

noodler wrote: »

Ahahaha

What about the season before that?

This is my main problem with the fairweather Irish supporters. Keane's goalscoring record can't really be knocked but then someone posts a Keane Vs Doyle comparison and of course some people simply can't recognise the other qualities in Doyle's performances besides goals.

Nobody's saying he's useless but strikers need more than hard work. Plenty of premier league managers were unwilling to splash the cash after all.

noodler

Possibilities wrote: »

Kevin Doyle is a good championship striker, no more no less.

That is a ridiculous assertion.

Berti Vogts

noodler wrote: »

That is a ridiculous assertion.

I repeat good championship striker, average premier league striker. Robbie Keane has been a good premier league striker for virtually his entire career.

noodler

Forget about Keane, your above statement is the problem.

Doyle is clearly better than the level he is playing at.

Berti Vogts

He's clearly doing well with a decent championship team but you could have said the same about David Nugent to be fair.

noodler

Doyle got 13 in the prem in his first shot.

Nugent....ehh......

Yeah exactly.

The stuff he does for Ireland when we are under the kosh is amazing-I worry that you haven't noticed it.

Berti Vogts

Fair play, Doyle works hard but that doesn't mean he should be in Ireland's greatest team ever.

By the way, he got 6 goals in 36 games in the second season.

noodler

In an average Reading team.

Keane has like 8 this season? Does that make him crap?


Work hard is hardly doing what he does for the team justice. He has consistently been better for Ireland than Keane since he came on the scene.

Anyway Keane is actually, despite what I posted here, irrelevant to the discussion you and myself are having about Doyle.

Running Bing

Keane is so overrated....sure he's got a 1:2 goal ratio for Ireland, is our top goalscorer of all time, has a shedload of assists and has scored numerous crucial goals for us but when is the last time he scored a hat-trick of overhead kicks from the half way line or did one of those Ronaldo free kicks with the funny ball flight or beat 7 players before putting it through the goalkeepers legs.....:rolleyes:



Honestly cant believe people are comparing Doyle to Keane. It makes me sad that Keane is so under appreciated by a lot of Ireland fans. He works so hard for the team and does a lot of stuff that goes completely unnoticed by those just waiting for him to make his next mistake so they can cry about how he does nothing for Ireland and should be dropped:rolleyes:


PS. I really like and rate Doyle btw but we're talking different levels(at the moment).....to say he belongs in an Ireland 11 based on both players careers to date is laughable.

noodler

Babybing wrote: »

Keane is so overrated....sure he's got a 1:2 goal ratio for Ireland, is our top goalscorer of all time, has a shedload of assists and has scored numerous crucial goals for us but when is the last time he scored a hat-trick of overhead kicks from the half way line or did one of those Ronaldo free kicks with the funny ball flight or beat 7 players before putting it through the goalkeepers legs.....:rolleyes:



Honestly cant believe people are comparing Doyle to Keane. It makes me sad that Keane is so under appreciated by a lot of Ireland fans. He works so hard for the team and does a lot of stuff that goes completely unnoticed by those just waiting for him to make his next mistake so they can cry about how he does nothing for Ireland and should be dropped:rolleyes:


PS. I really Doyle btw but we're talking different levels(at the moment).....to say he belongs in an Ireland 11 based on both players careers to date is laughable.

I worry for the state of Irish football. Doyle has been better for Ireland than Keane since he showed up.

Far too many rollie-eyes by the way.

Berti Vogts

Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think he deserves to be in Ireland's greatest ever team and you're not going to change my mind!

I haven't mentioned Keane for my last two posts by the way!

noodler

Possibilities wrote: »

Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think he deserves to be in Ireland's greatest ever team and you're not going to change my mind!

I haven't mentioned Keane for my last two posts by the way!

Unbelievable.

If you had read the thread you would see where I have Keane ahead of Doyle in any such team.

Our argument is based on Doyle alone-unfortunately you keep trying to pretend it is not.

Berti Vogts

noodler wrote: »

Unbelievable.

If you had read the thread you would see where I have Keane ahead of Doyle in any such team.

Our argument is based on Doyle alone-unfortunately you keep trying to pretend it is not.

Ok apologies, I wasn't taking notes, the tone of your comments suggested otherwise to me.

noodler

Okay we can end on that.

You rate Doyle as a good Championship striker and nothing more. I rate him a fair bit higher.

stovelid

Possibilities wrote: »

Kevin Doyle is a good championship striker, no more no less. To suggest that he's been a better striker over the years than Quinn, Aldridge and Keane is ridiculous imo.

I honestly think Doyle could do a decent job in a good premsiership side, let alone a yo-yo team.

Good to see Stapo in. Can't believe people rate Robbie over him.

TonyD79

Aldridge and Quinn head of Doyle .I think Keane is class and is a far better player than Kuyt or Doyle tbh.

Id go for Duff upfront with Stapo. His performances at the world cup in 2002 was world class.

Given is the best Irish keeper in the last 20 years by far.

Denis Irwin

Nunu wrote: »

I find it hilarious that you of all people Denis Irwin have spelled Irwins name as Dennis Irwin...if you catch my drift?:D

...anyway cracking team, but Robbie Keanes exclusion is laughable.

Of all the names it had to be