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Boards Blackout Cup discussion thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭suppafly


    Orizio wrote: »
    Yes, but you would have lost if you weren't playing against the puniest front-row in rugby history... :p

    Why does he get through? It was a draw and I scored the first try!

    Also about the front row what size should they be?
    What?

    played used the tactic Like Theres No Tomorrow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,873 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    i played LTNT and got hammered 18-5. fat lot of good it did for me. my money is now on xavi to go all the way.

    Good game mate, though I think you're a bit off with that prediction!

    Samuel Caillonet was again the star of the show. He's been a decent find.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭Noopti


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Samuel Caillonet was again the star of the show. He's been a decent find.

    You trying to rub it in?????

    Stolen from me he was! Stolen!!! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    suppafly wrote: »
    Why does he get through? It was a draw and I scored the first try!

    Also about the front row what size should they be?



    played used the tactic Like Theres No Tomorrow


    HT score. He was up by 7 I believe. ;) I'm going by the Blackout Rugby official rules regarding this, I posted them about 5 pages back.

    I wouldn't have anyone below 120 kg on my front row ideally, and certainly not for my props. Also they should all roughly be around the same height (again particurly the props). Your average size for the front row was something like 105 kg, which will mean you will lose a load against the head against a decent human opponent.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭Gelio


    Wow my lads played bad! At least I go through, Only player I was happy with was my out-half who played admirable and only missed one kick at the end.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭CoDy1


    Anyone knocked out looking for a friendly?

    My team Wondering Wanderers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭suppafly


    Orizio wrote: »
    HT score. He was up by 7 I believe. ;) I'm going by the Blackout Rugby official rules regarding this, I posted them about 5 pages back.

    Ah crap, i'm out soo :(. I just saw there 2 if i was level at half-time i would have got through on scoring my tries. Oh woe is me :(.

    Good luck to ajeffares' Geraldine RFC I hope ye go all the way now :)

    I wouldn't have anyone below 120 kg on my front row ideally, and certainly not for my props. Also they should all roughly be around the same height (again particurly the props). Your average size for the front row was something like 105 kg, which will mean you will lose a load against the head against a decent human opponent.

    I have a few guys that were heavier but i didn't put them in cuz their CSR rating was alot lower(like only 3000). So is it better to put in guys with that weight and a lower CSR than a higher CSR and not the right weight? also do u think them being a similar height matters, like John hayes is way taller than marcus horan and jerry flannery but it seems to work out alright. any advice appreciated :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭dave13


    CoDy1 wrote: »
    Anyone knocked out looking for a friendly?

    My team Wondering Wanderers.

    Friendly Requested


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    suppafly wrote: »
    Ah crap, i'm out soo :(. I just saw there 2 if i was level at half-time i would have got through on scoring my tries. Oh woe is me :(.

    Good luck to ajeffares' Geraldine RFC I hope ye go all the way now :)


    I have a few guys that were heavier but i didn't put them in cuz their CSR rating was alot lower(like only 3000). So is it better to put in guys with that weight and a lower CSR than a higher CSR and not the right weight? also do u think them being a similar height matters, like John hayes is way taller than marcus horan and jerry flannery but it seems to work out alright. any advice appreciated :)

    I really can't tell without looking at your players and their attributes, but generally the props should be the same height (within 5 cm of each other), and both should be as big as possible, as I said a minimum of 120 kg. The hooker can be smaller and lighter, but not by a whole lot. With the props its all about strength and technique and to a lesser extent defense and stamina (the two things you should focus on for every player as a beginner), and ideally they should be as fat and as small as possible.

    Height, weight and balance all matter, you get bonuses if your pack is bigger, if the props are around the same height and so on.

    Basically your going to have to buy some players in, and keep the above attributes in mind. Technique, strength, defense and stamina are the important attributes, plus handling for the hooker, besides height/weight. Also, try and buy 17 year olds, or at least under 20s.

    And be patient! Don't spend too much.

    Also, you may note the cackness of the Munster/Ireland scrum. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭johnnysmack


    anyone for friendly for polk high?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭Gelio


    Orizio wrote: »
    Height, weight and balance all matter, you get bonuses if your pack is bigger, if the props are around the same height and so on.

    Also, try and buy 17 year olds, or at least under 20s.


    Couldn't agree more I have bought about 6 players all 17 year olds


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,894 ✭✭✭dreamer_ire


    anyone for friendly for polk high?

    Request sent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭CoDy1


    anyone for friendly for polk high?

    requested;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭Gelio


    I was just thinking of my match last night (quiet day;)) and I was just thinking the current way that we decide who should go through in the case of a draw is a bit unfair, and if it happened to be I would be a bit annoyed. I dont know what other peoples thoughts are but I think the away team should go through since the home team get a small ratings boost. To me either that or a replay sounds fairest. I really feel sorry for rebels last night since they did score the first and the most tries.
    Anyway what does everyone think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    ajeffares wrote: »
    I was just thinking of my match last night (quiet day;)) and I was just thinking the current way that we decide who should go through in the case of a draw is a bit unfair, and if it happened to be I would be a bit annoyed. I dont know what other peoples thoughts are but I think the away team should go through since the home team get a small ratings boost. To me either that or a replay sounds fairest. I really feel sorry for rebels last night since they did score the first and the most tries.
    Anyway what does everyone think?

    As I said, I'm going by the official Blackout Rugby rules. It would be the same in any cup games run through Blackout. If both of ye want a replay thats fine, but after this current round we need to agree to a particular way to resolve draws (giving it to the away team simply for being the away team seems rather absurd).

    Personally, I'd like to stick to the official rules but if people dislike them and have a better suggestion the fire away. Maybe the most tries, or linebreaks to encourage offensive play?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭Gelio


    Orizio wrote: »
    As I said, I'm going by the official Blackout Rugby rules. It would be the same in any cup games run through Blackout. If both of ye want a replay thats fine, but after this current round we need to agree to a particular way to resolve draws (giving it to the away team simply for being the away team seems rather absurd).

    Personally, I'd like to stick to the official rules but if people dislike them and have a better suggestion the fire away. Maybe the most tries, or linebreaks to encourage offensive play?


    No, its just if I was him I would be annoyed!
    Most tries sounds good to me for the next round.
    The reason I said the away team was because the home teams players get a ratings boost so that could have been the difference.
    I wonder what everyone else thinks?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    In the event of a draw, the winners will be decided by the half-time score, number of tries, number of drop goals, number of conversions, number of successful penalty kicks at goal, metres gained, number of linebreaks, number of intercepts, or all else failing, the team playing at home.

    How does the above look then?

    Are two going to have a replay then? You'll be away this time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭suppafly


    ya I think those rules for a draw are more fair. We are going by the fulltime scores too ya. As if you played bad in the first have u still have the 2nd to redeem yourself. Anyone know why blackoutrugby uses halftime scores? As for the replay or not, i'll leave that with ajeffares and his conscience ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭suppafly


    Orizio wrote: »
    Basically your going to have to buy some players in, and keep the above attributes in mind. Technique, strength, defense and stamina are the important attributes, plus handling for the hooker, besides height/weight. Also, try and buy 17 year olds, or at least under 20s.

    And be patient! Don't spend too much.

    Is it mostly better to have players that young like? I was steering away from them a little before. Also how do u know how much money u can sustain in spending. I think i've only seen my balance sheet not in the red once, and I haven't even bought any players!

    Also one more question, you were saying before about a good human player beating me in something. Are teams that are just run by the computer? how do u know if they are a "human" team or not?


    Also these are the 2 guys i'm thinking of putting in as hookers. MacLeod is my current hooker and Shanly is the one i'm thinking of putting in. Only thing is Shanly 3000 less CSR and is 10cms shorter than the props, but Macleod is 27(shanly is 21) and only 100kg(17kg ligher than shanly)

    Johnaton Shanly(dunno if linking to players stats pages works?)
    21 years old | 6,883 csr
    Weight: 117kg
    Height: 177cm
    Joined: 27th Mar 2009 12:15pm

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    Geogre Macleod
    27 years old | 9,091 csr
    Weight: 100kg
    Height: 187cm
    Joined: 27th Mar 2009 12:15pm

    Right handed, right footed, in decent form, and pumped energy levels.
    An aggressive player with rebellious discipline, despicable leadership, and horrible experience.

    george_macleod_blr.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭Gelio


    suppafly wrote: »

    Also these are the 2 guys i'm thinking of putting in as hookers. MacLeod is my current hooker and Shanly is the one i'm thinking of putting in. Only thing is Shanly 3000 less CSR and is 10cms shorter than the props, but Macleod is 27(shanly is 21) and only 100kg(17kg ligher than shanly)

    Johnaton Shanly(dunno if linking to players stats pages works?)
    21 years old | 6,883 csr
    Weight: 117kg
    Height: 177cm
    Joined: 27th Mar 2009 12:15pm

    Untitled-2.jpg

    Geogre Macleod
    27 years old | 9,091 csr
    Weight: 100kg
    Height: 187cm
    Joined: 27th Mar 2009 12:15pm

    Right handed, right footed, in decent form, and pumped energy levels.
    An aggressive player with rebellious discipline, despicable leadership, and horrible experience.

    george_macleod_blr.jpg

    Neither in my opinion, more technique and strength for both and more handling for shanly
    suppafly wrote: »
    ya I think those rules for a draw are more fair. We are going by the fulltime scores too ya. As if you played bad in the first have u still have the 2nd to redeem yourself. Anyone know why blackoutrugby uses halftime scores? As for the replay or not, i'll leave that with ajeffares and his conscience ;)
    I hate you so much:D I don't want to but . . .
    Orizio wrote: »
    How does the above look then?

    Are two going to have a replay then? You'll be away this time.

    Id be home wouldn't I?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    suppafly wrote: »
    ya I think those rules for a draw are more fair. We are going by the fulltime scores too ya. As if you played bad in the first have u still have the 2nd to redeem yourself. Anyone know why blackoutrugby uses halftime scores? As for the replay or not, i'll leave that with ajeffares and his conscience ;)

    I'd imagine because its so nuetral, it doesn't punish teams for playing a particular attack (for example, basing it on metres gained favours non-kicking attacks).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Wasn't paying attention, whoever was playing at home in the first game is playing away in the replay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Is it mostly better to have players that young like?

    Thinking long term, you should try and get 4-5 good (about 8000+ for beginners) 17 year olds and focus your individual training completely on them (obviously you should decide what position you want them to play and train particular attributes accordingly). The younger the player, the more he learns. Naturally then, using your few individual training slots on 24 year olds makes little sense, as its less effective and not long term thinking.

    If you focus on a small number of 17 year olds every season then you should, within a few seasons, have a very young team with specialised players.
    Also how do u know how much money u can sustain in spending. I think i've only seen my balance sheet not in the red once, and I haven't even bought any players!

    What have you spent all your money on?
    Also one more question, you were saying before about a good human player beating me in something. Are teams that are just run by the computer? how do u know if they are a "human" team or not?

    Any team with a manager marked as 'private' is a bot, and will be easily beaten whatever you do playing him. You should always play WNWIM against a bot.
    Johnaton Shanly(dunno if linking to players stats pages works?)
    21 years old | 6,883 csr
    Weight: 117kg
    Height: 177cm
    Joined: 27th Mar 2009 12:15pm

    Untitled-2.jpg

    Geogre Macleod
    27 years old | 9,091 csr
    Weight: 100kg
    Height: 187cm
    Joined: 27th Mar 2009 12:15pm

    Right handed, right footed, in decent form, and pumped energy levels.
    An aggressive player with rebellious discipline, despicable leadership, and horrible experience.

    george_macleod_blr.jpg

    Of those two, Shanly is far better, McLeod has **** all technique and strength (he can't scrummage) and too little weight. McLeod is a 9 and little else.

    Again though, if those two are your options, then you need to buy or else scout a hooker from the YA.

    If you like, you could list the whole of your squad like you did above, and I and others could tell you what we would do, which you can then ignore or use as you wish.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭Gelio


    I have a decent sh for sale, he would be starting but I just bought a new guy after the cup match on monday, here he is:
    Player ID: 5530164
    Plays for:
    Geraldine RFC
    Nationality:
    Ireland
    Salary:
    $48,673 ($3,042 per week)
    Weight:
    86kg
    Height:
    179cm
    Joined:
    13th May 2009 2:30am
    Jersey:
    user.premium.png
    Right handed, right footed, in satisfactory form, and perfect energy levels.
    A collected player with controlled discipline, moderate leadership, and despicable experience.
    Stamina: Limited 04.gif
    Handling:
    Reputable 09.gif
    Attack:
    Average 06.gif
    Defense:
    Non-Existent 01.gif
    Technique:
    Despicable 02.gif
    Strength:
    Moderate 05.gif
    Jumping:
    Moderate 05.gif
    Speed:
    Decent 08.gif
    Agility:
    Limited 04.gif
    Kicking:
    Average 06.gif


    Jake Fauchon
    18 years old | 6,421 csr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭Gelio


    Suppafly, about our cup match, I would prefer not to have a replay because (a) I want to have a friendly with a friend and (b) I don't want to risk losing;) Considering the rules in place when we played what do you think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Alright - Geraldine RFC is through to the next round, mistake on my part to even consider talk about another replay, so to both managers apologies on my part.

    The rules regarding a draw were made clear last week, and will be enforced regarding the last round and the following rounds. No replay, but unlucky regardless Suppafly. If only you had a better set piece... ;) No doubt with a few signings you'll be flying next season (which is only a couple of months off).

    Any news on these fixtures?
    Banner Warriors vs Tommy Tigers
    Bridge Burners vs Maniachial Matriarchs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Regarding next season and the organisation of a proper ie boards Blackout Cup, I think we should start to consider this now, as the end of season is not far off.

    First we should ascertain the people who should adminster and run this site. Three, I think will do. This is what I propose...

    First, and once we hopefully get a Blackout Rugby sub-forum, we should start a thread where (A) people who wish to take part in the competition enter and (B) where people who wish to take part in actively running the competition/ website propose their candidacy.

    Second, once we know who wants to play in and/or run the Cup, we can have a seperate thread where all participants of the Cup vote on the canditates for the three adminstration jobs.

    Hopefully we can get this done over the next few weeks, or by the time the current ie boards Cup is finished. ;)

    Finally, could people please do their best to get people they know involved in Blackout Rugby?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    Awaiting Tommy Tiger's acceptance!!:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,873 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    I'm happy to give a dig out with any setting up that needs to be done so just let me know.


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