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Sparks · 2009-04-22 01:22:32

It's not out yet, this is just in anticipation of the Bill being published. I wanted to create the thread so everyone saw one place to comment on it. As soon as it's published, I'll come back and edit the original post with links or an attachment with the bill itself. I'll merge any other threads that get started on it…

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Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2009

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#392 20-05-2009 6:32pm
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http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0520/guns.html

The Minister for Justice has said the last five years has seen an unacceptable new trend in the growth of handgun ownership.

He said almost 2,000 handguns have been licensed since 2004.

Dermot Ahern was speaking in the Dáil as members debated the Criminal Justice Bill, which bans the ownership of handguns in all but very limited circumstances.

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#393 20-05-2009 6:35pm
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Calls for better controls in ports to prevent smuggling of firearms (because you ship drugs and guns through Dublin Port.... :rolleyes: )

Deputy Beverly Flynn and Minister Martin Manseregh now sharing time. Starting off saying we don't want the RKBA culture or the school shootings so hooray for the Bill....

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#394 20-05-2009 6:36pm
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This is as bad as Kineally's bit.
And this chap is the junior minister for Finance, with special responsibility for the sports budget...

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#395 20-05-2009 6:40pm
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#396 20-05-2009 6:45pm
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And Manseragh stood down without Flynn speaking or going back to firearms.

TD Crawford now speaking. Starting off in firearms, saying that 30 years of gun abuse has been seen in Ireland, so control firearms, but that he supports firearms associations and their record of safety.

Mentioning how there are more pistols in one place than another, and how it's because of the ranges being in those places, not for any wrong reason.

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#397 20-05-2009 6:47pm
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Congratulating the Minister for leaving those who have their pistols to keep them. Says we must ensure there is not a gun culture, and now bringing up the comments of the Garda inspector that the Minister has been quoting recently (our friend from chicago). Says that we're dealing with a different situation.
Asks the Minister how many stoled licenced handguns have been used in crime.
Says he's met at length with people in gun clubs and that he's been assured that they want to work within the law.

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#398 20-05-2009 6:48pm
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Crawford FG Cavan/Monaghan.

Gun culture and history of troubles. Supports sporting organisations who are responsibe, those who have them should keep them but not allow gun culture. Most crimes in US are with legally held firearms but not same here and minister should show figures. Sas minister listened to FCP and took heed, and took alot fron conference.

If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.

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#399 20-05-2009 6:49pm
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He's saying there was lots of consultation, and talking about the founding of the FCP, saying it was a good thing. Says this has satisfied many anxieties. Mentions the FCP conference last year and this year's FCP seminar. Welcomes this but encourages the Minister to ensure their activities are allowed to continue.

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#400 20-05-2009 6:49pm
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Mention of the Olympic standard, and how you have to start off before you get to that standard.

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#401 20-05-2009 6:49pm
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Seymour Crawford is speaking a LOT of sense.

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#402 20-05-2009 6:50pm
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Mentions AO'S's comments, but says it's more important to take control of the drug gangs directly. Talking about the level of gun crime. Mentions the gun amnesty McDowell ran and how it didn't work.

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#403 20-05-2009 6:52pm
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Emphasising that the illegal firearms are the one that need to be controlled, not the legal ones.

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#404 20-05-2009 6:52pm
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Saying it's also important to control the replica firearms.

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#405 20-05-2009 6:53pm
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Saying that replicas/airsoft can be used to intimidate people.

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#406 20-05-2009 6:54pm
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On to knife culture.

(We seem to have a lot of cultures out there that I've never heard of...)

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#407 20-05-2009 6:57pm
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whose the edijt up now???:(

"If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."
Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "

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#408 20-05-2009 6:57pm
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And now he's saying that if we get a gun culture, we'll get a school shooting like in the US, and that we had a gun culture in N.I. during the Troubles.

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#409 20-05-2009 6:58pm
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tonysoprano wrote:

Crawford FG Cavan/Monaghan.

Keep up Grizzly

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#410 20-05-2009 6:59pm
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Debate is adjourned. If there's anything left in this stage, it'll happen at 1030 tomorrow morning.

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#411 20-05-2009 7:00pm
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Sparks wrote: »

Keep up Grizzly

Cant type that quick Sparks;)Thanks BTW for the running commentary.....
Would somone like to point out to the dim one in charge of Injustice ,Inequality and no law reform,that if he wants to ban practical pistol ,etc.That there was a illegal operation going on in his own constituency of Louth,training BGs etc,and woukld he care to comment on this??

"If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."
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#412 20-05-2009 7:03pm
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Well, that went more or less as you'd expect it. FF TDs agreed with the Minister, FG TDs opposed some of it, if a bit half-heartedly, and Labour TDs went to town on him.

There might be more in the morning, but I think for now, we're back to the stage of writing letters of protest to the TDs (especially your local TDs and the ones on the justice committee) and the press.

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#413 20-05-2009 8:28pm
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http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0520/guns.html

Gun ownership levels unacceptable: Ahern
Wednesday, 20 May 2009 17:22
The Minister for Justice has said the last five years has seen an unacceptable new trend in the growth of handgun ownership.

He said almost 2,000 handguns have been licensed since 2004.

Dermot Ahern was speaking in the Dáil as members debated the Criminal Justice Bill, which bans the ownership of handguns in all but very limited circumstances.

Fine Gael's justice spokesman Charlie Flanagan said he wondered how effective the new measures would be and said there should be a focus on illegal firearms.

The Justice Minister also said he intends to prohibit a form of target shooting, known as dynamic or practical shooting.

It involves firearms being used in simulated combat and he said it was undesirable activity.

He's not the brighest button in the box, he's fixated on legal guns.

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#414 20-05-2009 8:35pm
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Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Would somone like to point out to the dim one in charge of Injustice ,Inequality and no law reform,that if he wants to ban practical pistol ,etc.That there was a illegal operation going on in his own constituency of Louth,training BGs etc,and woukld he care to comment on this??

They already know Grizzly. a long time.

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#415 20-05-2009 9:08pm
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Rew wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0520/guns.html

He's not the brighest button in the box, he's fixated on legal guns.

THAT'S the understatement of the day Rew!!:rolleyes::)

"If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."
Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "

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#416 20-05-2009 9:24pm
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Is our windsurfing Minister aware of how many people drown each year?

Is he going to ban water?

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#417 20-05-2009 9:40pm
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Ironically if Baron Shorttarse and the IBA want to keep operating in the Minister's constituency, they can - they just have to use airsoft or paintball. They don't even have to pretend it's a sport

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#418 20-05-2009 9:42pm
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threads merged.
Seriously guys, see the stuff in the original post about ONE THREAD for all of this

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#419 20-05-2009 9:48pm
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Added links to the first post in this thread for the latecomers. All the reference information will go up in that post from now on to give a reference point.

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#420 20-05-2009 9:54pm
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Sparks wrote: »

There might be more in the morning, but I think for now, we're back to the stage of writing letters of protest to the TDs (especially your local TDs and the ones on the justice committee) and the press.

Done

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#421 20-05-2009 10:25pm
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Actually, on that point:

Joint Committee on Justice:

TD|Email Address
Brendan Kenneally, Fianna Fáil (Chairman)|bwk@eircom.net|
Dinny McGinley, Fine Gael (Vice Chairman)|dinny.mcginley@oireachtas.ie|
Sean Connick, Fianna Fáil (Government Convenor)|sean.connick@oireachtas.ie|
Brian O'Shea, Labour Party (Opposition Convenor)|boshea@eircom.net|
Darragh O'Brien, Fianna Fáil|darragh.obrien@oireachtas.ie|
Thomas Byrne, Fianna Fáil|thomas.byrne@oireachtas.ie|
Jimmy Deenihan, Fine Gael|jdeenihan@eircom.net|
Michael Mulcahy, Fianna Fáil|michael.mulcahy@oireachtas.ie|
Dennis Naughten, Fine Gael|denis.naughten@oireachtas.ie|
Charlie Flanagan, Fine Gael|charles.flanagan@oireachtas.ie|
Niall Collins, Fianna Fáil|niall.collins@oireachtas.ie|
Pat Rabbitte, Labour Party|pat.rabbitte@oireachtas.ie|
Noel Tracey, Fianna Fáil|noel.treacy@oireachtas.ie|
Senator|Email address
Eugene Regan, Fine Gael|Eugene.Regan@oireachtas.ie
Ivana Bacik, Independent|Ivana.Bacik@oireachtas.ie
Lisa McDonald, Fianna Fáil|Lisa.McDonald@oireachtas.ie
Denis O'Donovan, Fine Gael|Denis.ODonovan@oireachtas.ie

Or, all as one list:
bwk@eircom.net, dinny.mcginley@oireachtas.ie, sean.connick@oireachtas.ie, boshea@eircom.net, darragh.obrien@oireachtas.ie, thomas.byrne@oireachtas.ie, jdeenihan@eircom.net, michael.mulcahy@oireachtas.ie, denis.naughten@oireachtas.ie, charles.flanagan@oireachtas.ie, niall.collins@oireachtas.ie, pat.rabbitte@oireachtas.ie, noel.treacy@oireachtas.ie, Eugene.Regan@oireachtas.ie, Ivana.Bacik@oireachtas.ie, Lisa.McDonald@oireachtas.ie, Denis.ODonovan@oireachtas.ie

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