Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2009

chem

bunny shooter wrote: »

Could you possibly mean that some businesses have made donations to FF and then FF give them a complete monoploly on all firearms related sales in this country :eek:

Never :P:mad:

Sir! FF.............Brown envelopes???...............With there fine reputation??? I demand satisfaction Sir to uphold the parties honor. Pistols at dawn?? Oh wait FF banned pistols:D

Sparks

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Ah, humour. Ha. Ha ha even.
Nonetheless folk, please re-read the sticky in the main forum regarding allegations against named people please?
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Sparks

Next week's Dail schedule is out, the CJ(MP)Bill is up for continued debate next Wednesday. It's provisionally down for the morning session, but it's last on that list, so it'll probably be pushed back to the afternoon session.

It's due on the agenda again on the Thursday, with a cap on debate for 1530h at which point they'll vote to send it to the Committee stage.

Still time to write your local TD and have them bring up points about the Bill in the Dail...

Tackleberry.

]Dermot Ahern: [/I][/B]
. As I announced at that time, those who already have licenses can, when they are due for renewal, apply to have them renewed albeit under the new licensing procedure where the safety of the community will be paramount.[/QUOTE]



Anyone know the new licensing procedure, what firearms does it cover? all i would think,but anyone know the facts?

chem

Sparks wrote: »

Next week's Dail schedule is out, the CJ(MP)Bill is up for continued debate next Wednesday. It's provisionally down for the morning session, but it's last on that list, so it'll probably be pushed back to the afternoon session.

It's due on the agenda again on the Thursday, with a cap on debate for 1530h at which point they'll vote to send it to the Committee stage.

Still time to write your local TD and have them bring up points about the Bill in the Dail...

Just wondering sparks. what happens at committee stage? Whats the point of the debate before it goes to the committee? And has any party full or majority control over the committee? Once it passes committee stage what happens? Is that then the new law? Or can it be changed after committee stage?

Thanks

tonysopprano

After Dail committee (FF 7, FG 4, Lab 2) it then goes on to Seanad committee (FG 2, FF 1, Lab 1)

Sparks

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chem

So all n` all a good chance of this bill getting turned around seen as FG and Lab are not in favour of the changes to the firearms section It gives a man a little bit of faith in the system after all:eek:

Ive had no replies back from any of the TDs etc ive called or emailed lately. But at least my opinon has been registered to them as a voter;)

Anyone know if the Gardai/DoJ guidelines have been drafted yet? Or when they will be made public? As in a way, they will be the new law.

cavan shooter

They may not be in favour but have they the courage to say no. If they do I'll vote FG and Labour for life.

bunny shooter

Sparks wrote: »

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Ah, humour. Ha. Ha ha even.
Nonetheless folk, please re-read the sticky in the main forum regarding allegations against named people please?
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You mean we have to regard politicans as people

kakashka

Regard should not even be used in the same breath at present!!!

daveob007

Hopefully something that suits both parties ie us and ff will be sorted soon.

Anoyone finding it hard to get 9mm ammunition lately?????
i have been trying for weeks and nobody seems to have any,is this somethine to do with restrictions on firearms dealers.
no dealer in limerick anyway just a guy who sells mostly fishing tackle and some .22 and shotgun ammo.
we really need a real gun shop down here.

daveob007

daveob007 wrote: »

Hopefully something that suits both parties ie us and ff will be sorted soon.

Anoyone finding it hard to get 9mm ammunition lately?????
i have been trying for weeks and nobody seems to have any,is this somethine to do with restrictions on firearms dealers.
no dealer in limerick anyway just a guy who sells mostly fishing tackle and some .22 and shotgun ammo.
we really need a real gun shop down here.

i know this is straying from the main thread but its getting very frustrating

chem

Hi davie,

You might be onto something here. If 9mm pistols are restricted so to is the ammo. And so you have to have a restricted dealers licence to sell it!! Am I wrong?

Grizzly 45

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no dealer in limerick anyway just a guy who sells mostly fishing tackle and some .22 and shotgun ammo.
we really need a real gun shop down here.

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And he wont be doing that for much longer either,by the sound of things.:(
Dave try either Pat Hayes in Mallow or Casales in Cashel.They are next closest reliable sources I can find around here for consistent 9mm supplies.Casales had plenty of 9mm on Sat.

daveob007

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

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And he wont be doing that for much longer either,by the sound of things.:(
Dave try either Pat Hayes in Mallow or Casales in Cashel.They are next closest reliable sources I can find around here for consistent 9mm supplies.Casales had plenty of 9mm on Sat.[/quote]

ok thanks for that one.
phoned the guy in mallow this morning and he only had competition ammo at a very hjgh price for a box of 20.
never mind dont want to hijack this thread its for more urgent matters

bunny shooter

daveob007 wrote: »

........ and he only had competition ammo...

What other types are there? On the other hand do I want the answer :eek:

Sparks

I'm guessing he meant match ammo, in which case other types would be practise ammo

daveob007

bunny shooter wrote: »

What other types are there? On the other hand do I want the answer :eek:

the brand he mentioned was magtech gold and cant remember the price but they were at least double the price of the normal practice ammo and come in boxes of 20.
thats not much use to me as i am only a novice

Sparks

...and back on-topic, the Misc Bill is on the order of business for the Dail today. Discussion is scheduled to happen in one of two sessions, 1130-1330 and 1545-1900, but the Finance Bill is due for discussion before the Misc Bill, so we might not even see it mentioned at all if the Finance Bill drags on until it's guillotined at 1900 tonight.

We're also on the agenda for tomorrow, in the 1030-1530 session, right after a vote on a motion to do with Bord Iascaigh Mhara, and then the debate is guillotined at 1530 and they'll vote to send it to Committee.

peter-pantslez

Sparks wrote: »

...and back on-topic, the Misc Bill is on the order of business for the Dail today. Discussion is scheduled to happen in one of two sessions, 1130-1330 and 1545-1900, but the Finance Bill is due for discussion before the Misc Bill, so we might not even see it mentioned at all if the Finance Bill drags on until it's guillotined at 1900 tonight.

We're also on the agenda for tomorrow, in the 1030-1530 session, right after a vote on a motion to do with Bord Iascaigh Mhara, and then the debate is guillotined at 1530 and they'll vote to send it to Committee.

so sparks did we get a mention today?

Sparks

Not sure yet, problems with the proxy server here meant I couldn't watch it live. Anyone else see it?
(Personally, I'd be a bit surprised if the Finance Bill discussion didn't drag on until all the time was used up - I think it's more likely we'll be talked about tomorrow, but I could be wrong).

tonysopprano

Still on Finance Bill, amendment 15 of ??. Must complete by 7pm. It will probably go the whole way so we should be up tomorrowmorning finishing at 3.30pm

Sparks

They're winding up on the finance bill now and they've an hour left so they might well get to us tonight.

Sparks

They're now voting on the Finance Bill, so unless they adjourn early, we should get at least one TD speaking on the Misc. Bill tonight.

Sparks

And that's the vote done, the TDs leg it out of the chamber and we set up for the Misc bill.

Sparks

Beverly-Cooper Flynn now speaking on the Misc Bill (she met with some of the shooting groups earlier).

tonysopprano

ON NOW

Sparks

Firearms up first. Saying there is a gun culture in society at the moment and the Minister wants to change it...

This bill will cap the number of "full power" handguns and that number will decline and we're phasing-out handguns and banning practical shooting and requiring all firearms to be bought through RFDs.

Sparks

Now talking about european warrants.