BikerTaker!

CMpunked

PRICELESS wrote: »

Next time you watch a Taker match, look at his fighting stance before he locks up, now look back at a match of his from say 1999 and tell me the difference, the mma thing is as forced as Cena's humour . He's even started using an mma submission move as a finish. Lads these facts are indisputable!

Maybe as a wrestler he is just trying different things?
He is known to be an MMA fan, and he is letting that come through.

Come on, if wrestling these days was all about the wrestlers character reflecting their moves in the ring, we would have things like finlay going around knee capping everyone and kane setting people on fire (for real).

And for that, i cant think of anyone else in wwe at the moment who uses that mma kind of style.

He could have been stale and used the same set moves as he did years ago, but in my mind takers always tried to mix it up a bit, and you have to respect him for that.
When he was in the biker days he was different to when he was deadman MK1 and now he is different again.

PRICELESS wrote: »

Why is there something about those 4 simple words that you didn't understand?

Well there is a fair bit of a difference in thinking you work for a wrestling company and actually doing it.

Being in the business means your making a living from it, its sustaining your income.

PRICELESS

DM-ICE wrote: »

They are disputable.

He is the undertaker, not the zombie. Why shouldn't he be allowed take a fighting stance in a fight.

Callaway is a well known mma fan who from a creative side can do what he likes so there is now way anything he does is forced.

Any new fighting styles that are from mma were developed from bikertaker, the current charachter is a combo of the original persona and biker taker so these changes to the charachter are perfectly acceptable.

RE: The original topic Taker should stick as he is. He doesn't have enough time left to reinvent the persona again.

He shouldn't use that fighting stance because it doesn't suit the gimmick period. Callaway may be an mma fan but he is not an mma fighter, that's where i make the difference. I feel they're indisputable facts, that doesn't mean i don't think you're entitled to your opinion, you are. It's as simple as, really.

PRICELESS

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Maybe as a wrestler he is just trying different things?
He is known to be an MMA fan, and he is letting that come through.

Come on, if wrestling these days was all about the wrestlers character reflecting their moves in the ring, we would have things like finlay going around knee capping everyone and kane setting people on fire (for real).

And for that, i cant think of anyone else in wwe at the moment who uses that mma kind of style.

He could have been stale and used the same set moves as he did years ago, but in my mind takers always tried to mix it up a bit, and you have to respect him for that.
When he was in the biker days he was different to when he was deadman MK1 and now he is different again.



Well there is a fair bit of a difference in thinking you work for a wrestling company and actually doing it.

Being in the business means your making a living from it, its sustaining your income.

This is Ireland, wrestling may add to the incomes of many of us in the industry but it doesn't sustain us. I actually have 3 jobs including wrestling. Are you in the business? Maybe i know you. If not then i fail to see why you would try to explain to me what being in the business is!

For my response to the Deadman/mma arguement see my above comment.

We're all entitled to our opinions lads.

Sorry if i sound like i'm patronizing you, just speaking from experience and what was passed down to me by my trainers.

DM_7

PRICELESS wrote: »

He shouldn't use that fighting stance because it doesn't suit the gimmick period. Callaway may be an mma fan but he is not an mma fighter, that's where i make the difference. I feel they're indisputable facts, that doesn't mean i don't think you're entitled to your opinion, you are. It's as simple as, really.

He should use the fighting stance. The current gimmick is clearly defined as a guy trying to scare his opponent, get inside his opponents head. Adopting such a stance at the start of a match makes him look even more difficult to overcome.

I understand he's not an mma fighter. Sting isn't a baseball player but yet is known to use a baseball bat.

Why, who are you, Priceless? I'm sure you've no problem telling us?

Otherwise we'll all just assume you're using your "I'm in the bizness" line to try and force your point.


Undertaker, as i said in my first post in this thread, has ben commented on as not being dead. It's merely his thing, to creep out his opponents and play mind games.

His character is an amalgamation of all his previous characters. Entrance, attire and taunts of The Dead Man, fighting style and wrestling mannerisms of the American Bad Ass.

When Kane 'buried' him at Survivor Series 2003, he didn't put him in a time machine or erase his memory. He's still the same Undertaker that played the American Bad Ass character.

PRICELESS

DM-ICE wrote: »

He should use the fighting stance. The current gimmick is clearly defined as a guy trying to scare his opponent, get inside his opponents head. Adopting such a stance at the start of a match makes him look even more difficult to overcome.

I understand he's not an mma fighter. Sting isn't a baseball player but yet is known to use a baseball bat.

As i said dude, it's your opinion, i simply will not be validating it for you. His stance isn't scary, the Deadman part of the gimmick is designed to mess with peoples heads, the mma add on just makes him look stupid.

A baseball bat is a household item in the states, dude. It is mainly used to threaten and deter bad guys and inflict injury. Now i'll slow down if you like but Sting is American, check, he has a house, check.....way to make a coherent, mature arguement, man!

PRICELESS

Deleted User wrote: »

Why, who are you, Priceless? I'm sure you've no problem telling us?

Otherwise we'll all just assume you're using your "I'm in the bizness" line to try and force your point.


Undertaker, as i said in my first post in this thread, has ben commented on as not being dead. It's merely his thing, to creep out his opponents and play mind games.

His character is an amalgamation of all his previous characters. Entrance, attire and taunts of The Dead Man, fighting style and wrestling mannerisms of the American Bad Ass.

When Kane 'buried' him at Survivor Series 2003, he didn't put him in a time machine or erase his memory. He's still the same Undertaker that played the American Bad Ass character.

If i wanted everyone to know who i was i would have said by now, don't you think? Good man, take your time with that.

I realise it's an amalgamation, was that not clear when i said that combining the mma element with the Deadman gimmick didn't work?!

I refer you to your last paragraph "American Badass Character" i.e a separate character to the deadman character. Should Tom Cruise walk into a bar in the new mission impossible movie and start making cocktails like he did in the movie of the same name? after all his memory hasn't been wiped either? That's right he's an actor playing 2 distinctly different characters which it would be ridiculous to merge, sound familiar?!

Lads seriously!

steod

Have always thought takers gimmick in whichever form biker or deadman has worked better when he was heel. I Feel he needs to turn heel now if he is going to do anything of substance between now and his retirement.

Cant see where he goes from now if he stays face, things getting a bit stale.

Degag

RAMPAGE1 wrote: »

And what an example it is interesting that you mention the other Gimmick Kane He's Mr take the Mask off and really burn and hasn't done a thing their since I watched him last week in the O2 miss a spot and for a veteran he was looking to Primo Colon for guidance He's another one for a JBL send off then 2 spots will open up for the younger guys who are bursting a gut to line taker and Kane's pockets

I'm sure you have something decent to say, but unless you use proper punctuation, i'll never know.:mad:

Degag

What the fcuk has happened to my thread??? Shawn, i think this is probably closable but please wait till im sober in the morning so i can reply to this....

Reganio 2

The Undertaker has been stale since 94. Was never a fan of the chap. He just bores me so much in everything he does, I get slow methodical wrestling ala Orton and the headlocks, I like that but Taker just bores me from his entarance to his wrestling.

CMpunked

PRICELESS wrote: »

If i wanted everyone to know who i was i would have said by now, don't you think? Good man, take your time with that.

I have it, you are mark callaway, aren't you? :rolleyes:


Degag, you've made a great thread, that's what happened.
Great discussion, fair play to ya bud.

Rjd2

steod wrote: »

Have always thought takers gimmick in whichever form biker or deadman has worked better when he was heel. I Feel he needs to turn heel now if he is going to do anything of substance between now and his retirement.

Cant see where he goes from now if he stays face, things getting a bit stale.

You may find him stale but the fans dont seeing as he is the most over wrestler in the business. I would like him to turn heel but to say he has been poor in his current persona is harsh, his matches with Edge, Batista and even recently Shelton have been good. Lets not forget his match with HBK, he did not need to be heel to make that work. Turning him heel would be difficult as he is so over, I mean when him and HHH were going at it at No Way Out, Taker was getting all the cheers. Batista got booed against him and I do no think a feud with Cena would turn him face. Jeff could but if he is out the door soon thats a no starter.

RAMPAGE1

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Define "Being in the business" for us?

He's probably a major shareholder in WWE with a name like Priceless or maybe he's the head booker for Trampoline Wrestling

RAMPAGE1

DM-ICE wrote: »

They are disputable.

He is the undertaker, not the zombie. Why shouldn't he be allowed take a fighting stance in a fight.

Callaway is a well known mma fan who from a creative side can do what he likes so there is now way anything he does is forced.

Any new fighting styles that are from mma were developed from bikertaker, the current charachter is a combo of the original persona and biker taker so these changes to the charachter are perfectly acceptable.

RE: The original topic Taker should stick as he is. He doesn't have enough time left to reinvent the persona again.

Just so I haven't been teleported back to 1988 Mark Callaway the MMA Fan isn't the same as Mark Callaway the Undertaker. Undertaker is his wrestling gimmick mainly based on Horror elements so when did you last watch a horror movie were a person gets killed with a submission move

RAMPAGE1

DM-ICE wrote: »

He should use the fighting stance. The current gimmick is clearly defined as a guy trying to scare his opponent, get inside his opponents head. Adopting such a stance at the start of a match makes him look even more difficult to overcome.

I understand he's not an mma fighter. Sting isn't a baseball player but yet is known to use a baseball bat.

In fairness if Taker carried a baseball bat it would probably suit him more than to reinact a rocky movie in the corner

RAMPAGE1

PRICELESS wrote: »

If i wanted everyone to know who i was i would have said by now, don't you think? Good man, take your time with that.

I realise it's an amalgamation, was that not clear when i said that combining the mma element with the Deadman gimmick didn't work?!

I refer you to your last paragraph "American Badass Character" i.e a separate character to the deadman character. Should Tom Cruise walk into a bar in the new mission impossible movie and start making cocktails like he did in the movie of the same name? after all his memory hasn't been wiped either? That's right he's an actor playing 2 distinctly different characters which it would be ridiculous to merge, sound familiar?!

Lads seriously!

Legend Sanity is beginning to prevail around here long live the legacy

Handsome Bob

I don't see it happening, but I would like to see it in order to give some proper closure to his career in the WWE and to give him a send off that is fitting (much like Flair). What I mean is that if he stays in the Deadman gimmick, what's going to be his last act? Winnning or losing his last match and then cutting a promo about how he must leave his "creatures of the night" (and cue him descending to the rafters? Will he be buried alive and never seen again "in character"? Will his druids escort his lifeless body out of the ring? They all sound pretty lame to me. And I don't trust creative to write such a fantastic storyline that wouldn't make the deadman's retirement seem like a cringe fest. Maybe to save themselves the headache they should just humanise the character.

Degag

RAMPAGE1 wrote: »

They should give him the same send off as JBL "Undefeated at Mania" give me a break the guy should have put Edge over at Mania 24.Someone should explain to Mark Callaway that at least half of his Mania matches were rubbish and he was carried in the others , when are taker fans going to realise the guy is nothing more than an entrance and sure when he leaves they can continue the entrance and put Hornswoggle in a black hat and coat, its no wonder Sim Snuka dropped him on his head

No doubt that a few of his mania matches weren't great but i put that down to his quality of opponant. I'm sorry but anyone who ever thought that matches against mark henry, a-train, the bossman etc. were going to be any good, should never watch wrestling again. In contrast to this, his matches against Michaels, Edge, Orton, HHH etc. have been excellent.

RAMPAGE1 wrote: »

And what an example it is interesting that you mention the other Gimmick Kane He's Mr take the Mask off and really burn and hasn't done a thing their since I watched him last week in the O2 miss a spot and for a veteran he was looking to Primo Colon for guidance He's another one for a JBL send off then 2 spots will open up for the younger guys who are bursting a gut to line taker and Kane's pockets

He was looking to Primo for advice? LOL. Where did you hear this garbage?

PRICELESS wrote: »

Next time you watch a Taker match, look at his fighting stance before he locks up, now look back at a match of his from say 1999 and tell me the difference, the mma thing is as forced as Cena's humour . He's even started using an mma submission move as a finish. Lads these facts are indisputable!

He's an MMA fan and he has started using moves and stances etc. So What? It's natural that he would, not forced by any means.

PRICELESS wrote: »

He shouldn't use that fighting stance because it doesn't suit the gimmick period. Callaway may be an mma fan but he is not an mma fighter, that's where i make the difference. I feel they're indisputable facts, that doesn't mean i don't think you're entitled to your opinion, you are. It's as simple as, really.

Neither is he a Deadman but that's his persona. What king of fighting stance do you think would suit his persona?

Comic Book Guy wrote:

Degag, you've made a great thread, that's what happened.
Great discussion, fair play to ya bud.

Yeah, it seemed alot more antagonistic last night in my drunken state!

RAMPAGE1

Degag wrote: »

No doubt that a few of his mania matches weren't great but i put that down to his quality of opponant. I'm sorry but anyone who ever thought that matches against mark henry, a-train, the bossman etc. were going to be any good, should never watch wrestling again. In contrast to this, his matches against Michaels, Edge, Orton, HHH etc. have been excellent.

Agreed to a point but the sign of a great wrestler is one who can drag a great match out of anybody a la Michaels


He was looking to Primo for advice? LOL. Where did you hear this garbage?

I was Front row ringside at the O2 and heard it myself the guys a joke


He's an MMA fan and he has started using moves and stances etc. So What? It's natural that he would, not forced by any means.

So if Necro Butcher started using MMA Moves it would be natural ?

Neither is he a Deadman but that's his persona. What king of fighting stance do you think would suit his persona?



Yeah, it seemed alot more antagonistic last night in my drunken state!

I think his finisher should be more of a posession type angle rather than a submission move it looks stupid to see a guy the size of taker wrapped around a guy on the ground in a choke

PRICELESS

Degag wrote: »

No doubt that a few of his mania matches weren't great but i put that down to his quality of opponant. I'm sorry but anyone who ever thought that matches against mark henry, a-train, the bossman etc. were going to be any good, should never watch wrestling again. In contrast to this, his matches against Michaels, Edge, Orton, HHH etc. have been excellent.



He was looking to Primo for advice? LOL. Where did you hear this garbage?



He's an MMA fan and he has started using moves and stances etc. So What? It's natural that he would, not forced by any means.



Neither is he a Deadman but that's his persona. What king of fighting stance do you think would suit his persona?



Yeah, it seemed alot more antagonistic last night in my drunken state!

With all due respect it would seem as though that alcohol is still clouding your judgement because your last 2 points RE Taker's fighting stance and him being an mma fan i answered on the previous page so you're just going around in circles and your comment to Rampage1 where you asked him where he "heard" that "garbage", read his comment again and pay close attention to the part where he says he was "at the o2" and maybe you might be able to figure the rest out yourself! Best of luck, maybe we'll chat when your senses return to their normal, acute, perceptive state.

littleman

I agree wit priceless,take shoulnt b doing mma style wrestling cause if you look back to when he first started with brother love as his manager (of course his supposed manager paul barer was injured so couldnt do it),after suviour series he was putting people into body bags and carryg them away after the match.now that shouldve been the taker that they should be still using becasue that would put the sh1ts into anyone,people who say the baddass taker was good,i do agree with that,it was an intresting gimmick and gave him more mike work which is what he needed cause even as dead man,he was boring on the mike,even now i cant bare to listen to taker on the mike,it just puts me asleep.I agree wit what rampage1 said bout hells gate,its the most useless finisher,you might aswell say that old school can be used as a finisher cause its pointless,of he's going to use a mma style move as a finisher at least do it right and make them really tap or put them to sleep,then it will be better

Degag

RAMPAGE1 wrote: »

I think his finisher should be more of a posession type angle rather than a submission move it looks stupid to see a guy the size of taker wrapped around a guy on the ground in a choke

I don't think it looks stupid, it adds to his character that he has a variety of different finishing meneuvers.

PRICELESS wrote: »

With all due respect it would seem as though that alcohol is still clouding your judgement because your last 2 points RE Taker's fighting stance and him being an mma fan i answered on the previous page so you're just going around in circles and your comment to Rampage1 where you asked him where he "heard" that "garbage", read his comment again and pay close attention to the part where he says he was "at the o2" and maybe you might be able to figure the rest out yourself! Best of luck, maybe we'll chat when your senses return to their normal, acute, perceptive state.

I'm sorry, but it sounds like garbage that this guy heard Taker ask Primo for advice. For one, that Taker would even ask Primo for advice (n what exactly?) and second, that he could be so close to hear what they were saying to each other.

PRICELESS

Degag wrote: »

I don't think it looks stupid, it adds to his character that he has a variety of different finishing meneuvers.



I'm sorry, but it sounds like garbage that this guy heard Taker ask Primo for advice. For one, that Taker would even ask Primo for advice (n what exactly?) and second, that he could be so close to hear what they were saying to each other.

Dude!!! for the love of HULK! Did you read his post at all?! He said "that other gimmick, Kane" KANE was looking at Primo for what to do next when the spot went wrong, i saw it! i was there! It's not garbage! You're WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!

DM_7

PRICELESS wrote: »

As i said dude, it's your opinion, i simply will not be validating it for you. His stance isn't scary, the Deadman part of the gimmick is designed to mess with peoples heads, the mma add on just makes him look stupid.

A baseball bat is a household item in the states, dude. It is mainly used to threaten and deter bad guys and inflict injury. Now i'll slow down if you like but Sting is American, check, he has a house, check.....way to make a coherent, mature arguement, man!

Its okay i don't need you to slow down, but thanks for offering

I have always found it interesting when people talk about opinions but proceed to belittle people for having one. As interesting as it is i don't appreciate that style of discussion and find it goes against the spirit of the charter.

KKV summed up takers current gimmick very well. In my view it is a good gimmick, we get the deadman mind games with the more adaptable style of wrestling that allows for good matches.

Re the original topic: I hope he doesn't go back to the bikertaker in full as he will always be best known as the deadman. When he retires it is likely to be like austin, he will walk away from full time and return for the odd/rare appearence. His finale would probably be hall of fame followed by a mania appearance. I don't see many guys getting the type of send off flair got, flair deseved that type of recognition and giving it to others would take away from it. Thats, how we say, my 4 cents.

CMpunked

PRICELESS wrote: »

Dude!!! for the love of HULK! Did you read his post at all?! He said "that other gimmick, Kane" KANE was looking at Primo for what to do next when the spot went wrong, i saw it! i was there! It's not garbage! You're WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!

I wanna see proof of you knowing.

PRICELESS

DM-ICE wrote: »

Its okay i don't need you to slow down, but thanks for offering

I have always found it interesting when people talk about opinions but proceed to belittle people for having one. As interesting as it is i don't appreciate that style of discussion and find it goes against the spirit of the charter.

KKV summed up takers current gimmick very well. In my view it is a good gimmick, we get the deadman mind games with the more adaptable style of wrestling that allows for good matches.

Re the original topic: I hope he doesn't go back to the bikertaker in full as he will always be best known as the deadman. When he retires it is likely to be like austin, he will walk away from full time and return for the odd/rare appearence. His finale would probably be hall of fame followed by a mania appearance. I don't see many guys getting the type of send off flair got, flair deseved that type of recognition and giving it to others would take away from it. Thats, how we say, my 4 cents.

I only quote belittle unquote people and or their opinion in response to them and others making ridiculous comparisons to shoot down my valid points in an attempt to make me and my points look stupid. I mean that baseball bat statement was as ridiculous a statement as i've read all year. I'm a football fan, should i start kicking a ball around the ring? you see how stupid that sounds? if my gimmick was of a former soccer player then yes but it isn't, Taker's gimmick isn't that of a former shootfighter but Ken Shamrock's was so it suits him and doesn't suit Taker.

By the way a bunch of lads from, Drogheda, yes i know you, ganging up on someone coz he disagrees with their point and are deperate to have the last word in some sort of self imagined Keyboard battle of supremacy is hardly in the spirit of the charter either. Thanks to Rampage1 and littleman for making valid points instead of desperate attempts to sound knowledgable about the business like certain others and discredit those who disagree with their, in all fairness, heavily biased points, given that they are actual Taker & Kane marks.

No offense lads but some of you aren't even reading the responses properly and then you're trying to argue...

PRICELESS

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

I wanna see proof of you knowing.

I want to see proof that you know Santie Claus doesn't exist! What are you going on about?

Primo ran at kane and Kane was out of position for a cross body, Primo hit the mat and stayed there selling while kane stood hunched over looking at Primo out of the corner of his eye with a lost look on his face waiting fo him to get up coz it was still his "shine" and not time for the "cutoff" yet, the match was clearly planned move for move and when one spot went wrong Kane didn't seem to know how to "call an audible" and get the match back on track. I'm sure you could ask the 12,000 plus others who saw it if you don't believe me after all i love making stuff like this up in great detail...oh dear god!!!!!

CMpunked

PRICELESS wrote: »

I want to see proof that you know Santie Claus doesn't exist! What are you going on about?

Primo ran at kane and Kane was out of position for a cross body, Primo hit the mat and stayed there selling while kane stood hunched over looking at Primo out of the corner of his eye with a lost look on his face waiting fo him to get up coz it was still his "shine" and not time for the "cutoff" yet, the match was clearly planned move for move and when one spot went wrong Kane didn't seem to know how to "call an audible" and get the match back on track. I'm sure you could ask the 12,000 plus others who saw it if you don't believe me after all i love making stuff like this up in great detail...oh dear god!!!!!

You should be ashamed man, your supposed to be a wrestler!

Dont give away the secrets like some sort of cracked magician!!


ITS STILL REAL TO SOME OF US, DAMMIT!! :mad::mad:

littleman

I wasnt even in the 02 and i was told bout the botch job,if someone like kane who has been in he wwe for so long even when when he done his short fued as isac yankem dds,he shouldnt have to look to someone like primo for advise when he messes up,he should no by now how to worka match,if vince was there i say he wouldve chewed him up and spit him back out,so lucky for kane it was only a house show,were you can slightly make a mistake but someone who is a vet shouldnt make any mistakes full stop

PRICELESS

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

You should be ashamed man, your supposed to be a wrestler!

Dont give away the secrets like some sort of cracked magician!!


ITS STILL REAL TO SOME OF US, DAMMIT!! :mad::mad:

Ha ha! Yeah i gathered that! and much as it pains me kayfabe is dead! Like seeing something that can't be unseen, kayfabe can never come back.

I liked that post btw, also i pop for Kane every time much to my friends' dismay! Was there at Mania last year when he smashed through Chavo!

Handsome Bob

Slightly OT, but this was Taker waiting for a tag at a house show in Germany, there's some life in the old dog yet.:pac:

CMpunked

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Slightly OT, but this was Taker waiting for a tag at a house show in Germany, there's some life in the old dog yet.:pac:

Did taker see Charlie Haas impersonate Stone Cold? :pac:

Degag

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Slightly OT, but this was Taker waiting for a tag at a house show in Germany, there's some life in the old dog yet.:pac:

What the hell is he doing there?

littleman

i say he was told just to go mad and do something weird

PRICELESS

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Slightly OT, but this was Taker waiting for a tag at a house show in Germany, there's some life in the old dog yet.:pac:

HA HA HA HA! Awesome! Impressionante!

littleman

lookin at that closers is that edited lol

gravestone

PRICELESS wrote: »

Yes he has carried many an atrocious worker, they are the matches Rampage1 was talking about when he said half of them were rubbish.

Secondly you can remain in the business as long as you want as long as any element of your gimmick is over and will hence draw money, i've been in the business nearly 5 years and i'm not the best worker but i know what i'm talking about.

Lastly that corpse comment was was just childish, you know as well as i do that Taker, even in say 1999 was portraying his gimmick perfectly but the shooter thing just looks hokey and sticks out like a sore thumb within the current incarnation of his gimmick. May have worked for Badass Taker but not Deadman Taker.

Both of u have good ponits but i would like to ask priceless u say ur in the business five years is ta without been injuryed are can u back this up with prove are any of ur matches on yuoutube to show how u work the ring because u talk ahh great match i can wait to see u in the ring u could be the next big star that wwe,tna,roh are lookin for and when's ur next show because it should be priceless just like u name and what's ur gimmick by the way and can u tell ham easy it is to sell ahh move like an armbar:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: and can u tell the us who u have worked for over here

gravestone

PRICELESS wrote: »

HA HA HA HA! Awesome! Impressionante!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

DM_7

PRICELESS wrote: »

I'm a football fan, should i start kicking a ball around the ring?

No because you would be disqualified if you hit anyone.

gravestone

littleman wrote: »

I agree wit priceless,take shoulnt b doing mma style wrestling cause if you look back to when he first started with brother love as his manager (of course his supposed manager paul barer was injured so couldnt do it),after suviour series he was putting people into body bags and carryg them away after the match.now that shouldve been the taker that they should be still using becasue that would put the sh1ts into anyone,people who say the baddass taker was good,i do agree with that,it was an intresting gimmick and gave him more mike work which is what he needed cause even as dead man,he was boring on the mike,even now i cant bare to listen to taker on the mike,it just puts me asleep.I agree wit what rampage1 said bout hells gate,its the most useless finisher,you might aswell say that old school can be used as a finisher cause its pointless,of he's going to use a mma style move as a finisher at least do it right and make them really tap or put them to sleep,then it will be better

i agree bring back the body bags :D:D

Degag

littleman wrote: »

I agree wit priceless,take shoulnt b doing mma style wrestling cause if you look back to when he first started with brother love as his manager (of course his supposed manager paul barer was injured so couldnt do it),after suviour series he was putting people into body bags and carryg them away after the match.now that shouldve been the taker that they should be still using becasue that would put the sh1ts into anyone,people who say the baddass taker was good,i do agree with that,it was an intresting gimmick and gave him more mike work which is what he needed cause even as dead man,he was boring on the mike,even now i cant bare to listen to taker on the mike,it just puts me asleep.I agree wit what rampage1 said bout hells gate,its the most useless finisher,you might aswell say that old school can be used as a finisher cause its pointless,of he's going to use a mma style move as a finisher at least do it right and make them really tap or put them to sleep,then it will be better

It makes them pass out and cough up blood!!! What more do you want?:rolleyes:;)

PRICELESS

gravestone wrote: »

Both of u have good ponits but i would like to ask priceless u say ur in the business five years is ta without been injuryed are can u back this up with prove are any of ur matches on yuoutube to show how u work the ring because u talk ahh great match i can wait to see u in the ring u could be the next big star that wwe,tna,roh are lookin for and when's ur next show because it should be priceless just like u name and what's ur gimmick by the way and can u tell ham easy it is to sell ahh move like an armbar:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: and can u tell the us who u have worked for over here

Well Gravestone, like most workers i have had my share of injuries, i have been affiliated with most of the promotions in the country, i've wrestled a recognised heavyweight champion and if you know who i am, yes you can find videos and pics of me floating in cyberspace and 2 of my former colleagues are over in FCW. I hope that answer was ambiguous enough for you...BRRRRROTHER!!!!

PRICELESS

DM-ICE wrote: »

No because you would be disqualified if you hit anyone.

Even though you didn't punctuate it as such i'm going to assume that was sarcasm coz if it wasn't then i'm going to have to assume that you've missed the point yet again or you're being facetious.

RAMPAGE1

gravestone wrote: »

i agree bring back the body bags :D:D

That's it Gravestone just bring back the body bags you'll have to do better than that

RAMPAGE1

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

I wanna see proof of you knowing.

I'll ring the o2 and see if they still have a copy of the ring audio from last week

gravestone

PRICELESS wrote: »

Well Gravestone, like most workers i have had my share of injuries, i have been affiliated with most of the promotions in the country, i've wrestled a recognised heavyweight champion and if you know who i am, yes you can find videos and pics of me floating in cyberspace and 2 of my former colleagues are over in FCW. I hope that answer was ambiguous enough for you...BRRRRROTHER!!!!

who have u work for come on get to the point and i don't want to know about ur former colleagues there not u i want to know when u next show is come on get on with or are u one of these lads that are living in the past . Ur days as ahh wrestler are gone gone gone gone

littleman

Degag wrote: »

It makes them pass out and cough up blood!!! What more do you want?:rolleyes:;)

but its not a ligit mma move,there is no pressure at all on it,its as useless of a submission hold as a wristlock,bring back the dragon sleeper,now thats a move you can make someone pass out from or if hes going to use hells gate,he shhouldve kept it the way he first used as a tri-angel choke which its supposed to b a reverse of,what about an arm bar,why doesnt he use that since hes a big mma fan????

littleman

i agree wit gravestone priceless who are you really,did you come from the 70s or 80s era of wrestling or who just superman

gravestone

RAMPAGE1 wrote: »

That's it Gravestone just bring back the body bags you'll have to do better than that

ok i am sick of lads saying there in the business of the world of wrestling and they get a few weekin the gym learning move then get injuryed and dont come back and talk about coming back to get in the ring and then tell me that the lads at the wwe,tna.roh dont know how to work the ring and that why there are here doning nothing and the lads they say can't work the ring are superstars of the ring like some say taker can't work the ring has'nt stop him making it at wwe and poeple living in the past as one lads said to me the other back in the day what day is that the day the day they release that there day playing wrestler had's gone like some of the lads i know i can see the wwe crap them slef of not signing them one lad told me sie year he has been ah wrestler 4 out injuryed and two maybr in the ring if he got booked