muntjak problem!

It wasn't me! · 02-05-2009 2:16pm

westwicklow wrote: »

Actually, what do they taste like?

Here muntie, muntie, muntie!

Delicious apparently, but do not shoot them with a .223; get something bigger. I've a .25-06 on the way which I'm sorting paperwork for at the moment and would be only too happy to help you out if they're on your land and I'm probably right beside you.

westwicklow · 02-05-2009 3:15pm

Excellent.... progress at last!!

Here muntie, muntie, muntie!!!!

Some claim they respond to roe calls, any ideas?

It wasn't me! · 02-05-2009 3:26pm

westwicklow wrote: »

Excellent.... progress at last!!

Here muntie, muntie, muntie!!!!

Some claim they respond to roe calls, any ideas?

If you want, I should have that rifle during the summer and will happily look for muntjac on your land, but do not shoot them with the .223.

westwicklow · 02-05-2009 3:40pm

It wasn't me! wrote: »

If you want, I should have that rifle during the summer and will happily look for muntjac on your land, but do not shoot them with the .223.

PM me when you have it please.

Think you are the opposite end of the lake as me!!

like to hunt · 02-05-2009 6:49pm

just down the road from u west . south side i will seat in next few evenings and see is it true and get some photos. if real..

it is hard to make liveing from the land.
have green wellies myself.

or i mite shoot 1 if u want have liance..

Rosahane · 13-05-2009 7:52am

Spotted my first Munjac on Sunday! On the bike coming over Carrickashane mountain near Aughavannagh. He was in an open bit of grass between the road and the forestry. I thought it was a big hare at first when he bounded up out of the grass.

Surprised to see them this far up from Avoca already!

lordarpad · 13-05-2009 9:44am

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Delicious apparently, but do not shoot them with a .223; get something bigger. I've a .25-06 on the way which I'm sorting paperwork for at the moment and would be only too happy to help you out if they're on your land and I'm probably right beside you.

why not? they're even smaller than roe deer for which a .223 is perfectly OK ...

It wasn't me! · 13-05-2009 9:48am

lordarpad wrote: »

why not? they're even smaller than roe deer for which a .223 is perfectly OK ...

Because it's illegal. Simple as that. And the debate on .223 for roe is ongoing. England and Wales say no, while Scotland says yes. Plenty of American states allow .223 for hunting of deer species, but I wouldn't want to use it for whitetail or mule deer, personally. For what it's worth, with properly constructed bullets it would probably be ideal for muntjac, but the bottom line is that it is absolutely not legal here.

lordarpad · 13-05-2009 9:57am

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Because it's illegal. Simple as that. And the debate on .223 for roe is ongoing. England and Wales say no, while Scotland says yes. Plenty of American states allow .223 for hunting of deer species, but I wouldn't want to use it for whitetail or mule deer, personally. For what it's worth, with properly constructed bullets it would probably be ideal for muntjac, but the bottom line is that it is absolutely not legal here.

true enough. For argument's sake Germany permits everything from .222 upwards on roe deer. For anything else it's gotta be at least a 6.5mm. I don't think one should throw the small deer species in with the rest. I have seen the quote repeatedly "it looked like a big hare", well, a hare you can shoot with a .17 HMR or Hornet no prob. So I fail to see the point to be quite honest. In ireland if it became an issue I'd most likely get a .22-250.

It wasn't me! · 13-05-2009 10:06am

lordarpad wrote: »

true enough. For argument's sake Germany permits everything from .222 upwards on roe deer. For anything else it's gotta be at least a 6.5mm. I don't think one should throw the small deer species in with the rest.

Again, for what it's worth, I don't disagree; I just don't have enough information or experience to judge the efficacy of smaller calibres on smaller deer species.2

I have seen the quote repeatedly "it looked like a big hare", well, a hare you can shoot with a .17 HMR or Hornet no prob.

And again, not in Ireland you couldn't; shotgun only. Besides, it's ignoring differences in bodily structure, mass, bone structure and musculature.

So I fail to see the point to be quite honest. In ireland if it became an issue I'd most likely get a .22-250.

It's the law. It doesn't become less valid for being stupid. We're a country with a developing population of small deer where there hasn't been one before. Perhaps in time our laws will change to reflect this and allow smaller calibres for their killing. However, for the time being, we must adhere to the law.

The .22-250 is a great round, and if I were getting something for foxes and corvids, it'd be top of my list, along with perhaps a .243, which begs the question, why? Get the .243 and do everything with it, from foxes to red deer. .308 is well regarded for small deer species too because it doesn't rip them up the way the .243 does, so if it's deer only, why not get that? .22-250 is not a deer round, and there are better tools for the job across the board, even if it does perform admirably on smaller deer.

foxhunter · 13-05-2009 10:16am

lordarpad wrote: »

true enough. For argument's sake Germany permits everything from .222 upwards on roe deer. For anything else it's gotta be at least a 6.5mm. I don't think one should throw the small deer species in with the rest. I have seen the quote repeatedly "it looked like a big hare", well, a hare you can shoot with a .17 HMR or Hornet no prob. So I fail to see the point to be quite honest. In ireland if it became an issue I'd most likely get a .22-250.

Wrong afaik you cannot shoot a hare with a rifle of any calibre shotgun only I think.

lordarpad · 13-05-2009 10:40am

It wasn't me! wrote: »

And again, not in Ireland you couldn't; shotgun only. Besides, it's ignoring differences in bodily structure, mass, bone structure and musculature.

care to show me that in the law? ;-) As regards deer, I am debating whether the law is sensible, not offering to disobey it. I find this a legitimate debate.

jwshooter · 13-05-2009 11:09am

Rosahane wrote: »

Spotted my first Munjac on Sunday! On the bike coming over Carrickashane mountain near Aughavannagh. He was in an open bit of grass between the road and the forestry. I thought it was a big hare at first when he bounded up out of the grass.

Surprised to see them this far up from Avoca already!

i have been shooting that area for 12 years from the top of lug,brown hill glenmalure, dromgoff ,ballinacor its self, roshashane.and know almost every one stalking the area none of us have seen any muntjac in that area .

pity you did not get a picture of it .

Keelan · 13-05-2009 12:42pm

foxhunter wrote: »

Wrong afaik you cannot shoot a hare with a rifle of any calibre shotgun only I think.

Spot on. They can only be taken with a shotgun in season and with a permit from National parks and wildlife if your taking them with a greyhound, this usally only applies to greyhound coursing clubs.

Keelan.

Rosahane · 13-05-2009 1:08pm

jwshooter wrote: »

i have been shooting that area for 12 years from the top of lug,brown hill glenmalure, dromgoff ,ballinacor its self, roshashane.and know almost every one stalking the area none of us have seen any muntjac in that area .

pity you did not get a picture of it .

Defo a Munjac. Young stag I think. Just at Ballinagappoge on the road over the mountain heading down to Aughavannagh.

kakashka · 13-05-2009 1:16pm

Some of us here could do with a trip to specsavers.;)

like to hunt · 13-05-2009 6:05pm

let them be till season... then we can get them.. if real????????????
id say there will be a lot of sika calf shoot do..

i hunt to hole of wicklow and out and about all the time and i ant seen them..

you can hunt anywhere if its for ur plate.. ok not the parks.....

It wasn't me! · 13-05-2009 6:10pm

No season for muntjac. Can shoot them tomorrow if you see them and have your deer-legal calibre and deer licence.

like to hunt · 13-05-2009 6:18pm

ill hit one with the .300 w.m

no ill wait give them a chance to get over the summer and breed like mad..

oooohhhh yyyya i just cant wait...:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:mad::D:D:D:D:D:D

jwshooter · 13-05-2009 6:25pm

like to hunt wrote: »

let them be till season... then we can get them.. if real????????????
id say there will be a lot of sika calf shoot do..

i hunt to hole of wicklow and out and about all the time and i ant seen them..

you can hunt anywhere if its for ur plate.. ok not the parks.....

you can hunt any where if its for your plate ..ok not the park. .try telling that to a judge and see where it gets you.

kakashka · 13-05-2009 9:48pm

like to hunt wrote: »

let them be till season... then we can get them.. if real????????????
id say there will be a lot of sika calf shoot do..

i hunt to hole of wicklow and out and about all the time and i ant seen them..

you can hunt anywhere if its for ur plate.. ok not the parks.....

I HOPE you stay in that hole!!DURAK

kakashka · 13-05-2009 9:51pm

It wasn't me! wrote: »

No season for muntjac. Can shoot them tomorrow if you see them and have your deer-legal calibre and deer licence.

And the shooting rights or course.

like to hunt · 13-05-2009 10:28pm

judge wont take food of my plate.

yes the hole of wicklow.

just cause so called builders and fools with there money.

pay for woods and land to shoot and in turn lease out again to some1 that wants to hunt and enjoy deer stalking...

stop me......

kakashka · 13-05-2009 10:46pm

like to hunt wrote: »

judge wont take food of my plate.

yes the hole of wicklow.

just cause so called builders and fools with there money.

pay for woods and land to shoot and in turn lease out again to some1 that wants to hunt and enjoy deer stalking...

stop me......

No problem,set a foot on my land and i will "stop you"
ti loh pozornij!! ti sovsem nichego ne znaesh'!!!!!

It wasn't me! · 14-05-2009 1:05pm

kakashka wrote: »

And the shooting rights or course.

Of course. That's so blindingly obvious that the vast majority don't need to be told it.

like to hunt wrote: »

judge wont take food of my plate.

yes the hole of wicklow.

just cause so called builders and fools with there money.

pay for woods and land to shoot and in turn lease out again to some1 that wants to hunt and enjoy deer stalking...

stop me......

You are not anonymous here. I would suggest you not admit to committing crimes on the internet, or you will quickly find that your guns are gone and you face a hefty fine and prison sentence.

kakashka · 14-05-2009 1:32pm

And i'm sure the vast majority know that it was not directed at them!!

Sparks · 14-05-2009 1:46pm

Okay, can we row back a bit here on the "you're a poacher"/"I'm not, it's perfectly legal" crap? I'd rather not close the thread alltogether.

like to hunt · 14-05-2009 7:52pm

sorry sparks
1 thing im no poucher there are enuf of them out there
i have all my paper work up to scratch. tks

as i said i can shoot anywhere in wicklow,, where i have permision,, its good to be a farmer.

yes come in and shoot, no i dont want anything of you,, sure i get enuf of them others,,,,,

but i do not condone this practis... not fair.

fathersymes · 14-05-2009 8:37pm

like to hunt wrote: »

sorry sparks
1 thing im no poucher there are enuf of them out there
i have all my paper work up to scratch. tks

as i said i can shoot anywhere in wicklow,, where i have permision,, its good to be a farmer.

yes come in and shoot, no i dont want anything of you,, sure i get enuf of them others,,,,,

but i do not condone this practis... not fair.

What does this mean? What is enuf and poucher

lordarpad · 14-05-2009 9:29pm

well, a poucher is somebody who illegally puts game into his pouch ...

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