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Politics.ie- time to enforce impartiality?
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23-04-2009 3:03pm#1
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Hmm is there any etiquette guide for discussing P.ie on B.ie?
I lurk and it is a bit of a madhouse, when I first went over it seemed to be less prone to
raging arguments. It reputation was of the place that real politicos posted and while there are a few posting alright I get the feeling its now a clearing hourse for bear-pit junkies and mad nationalists.0 -
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politics.ie is about freedom of speech and discussion as JMCC pointed out.
in the whole time ive been there i dont think ive EVER been moderated or had posts deleted. the closest came when i got PMs off david for calling a high profile RTE reporter a twat for consistantly saying SIPTU supported the lisbon treaty (his wonderful bit of orwellian speak was "its a YES.........if) when they clearly didnt and in fact finally admited as much two weeks after the referendum was lost.
i made my case and told him id rather the whole post was deleted than altered and he left it as it was.
on politics.ie there isnt so much moderation as the judicial use of the ignore list function by the users themselves. the "Rep" system, while not perfect DOES give you an idea of the track record of the posters involved so thats how you weed out the nutters from the people with genuine info. sure it makes for a more chaotic site but you also have a MUCH better flow of information than what you get in boards.ie's politics section which is pretty much the personal fifedom of certain moderators.
i could name probably three posters straight off the batt that'd never last a week on the boards politics section but who called what happend in the world economy in the last year right down to the names of big multinationals that'd bite the dust. one of em got to within 800 points off where the ISEQ would be now over a YEAR in advance (saved me seven grand to boot
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ive always precieved it as more of a cyberpub where you can drop into certain groups when you want and stay away from others when you dont.
end of the day no one is FORCING peole to go there, while ironically boards.ie politics section IS forcing people away. so if ya dont like it ,dont go there.
theres an "off" switch on the computer for a reason.0 -
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It isn't, it is a thread for discussing Politics.ie and as part of the thread the discussion went down the road of comparing the style of political discussion on Boards.ie and Politics.ie
For me, Politics.ie is always good for a read although I have never really got into posting there mainly because it seems like I need to spend all of my free time on that site if I got into discussions. At least the political discussion on Boards, the mods would force me to take a break 0 -
You've never been moderated there because most of your posts are foam-at-the-mouth anti-Lisbon and anti-Europe rants and you've a Libertas fetish which earns you partial treatment. Look at the anti-Libertas posters over there, who face a lot of heavy infractions and are sometimes banned for what they post. Then look at some of the anti-Lisbon/pro-Libertas posters who are just as bad if not worse and get off scot free.constitutionus wrote: »politics.ie is about freedom of speech and discussion as JMCC pointed out.
in the whole time ive been there i dont think ive EVER been moderated or had posts deleted. the closest came when i got PMs off david for calling a high profile RTE reporter a twat for consistantly saying SIPTU supported the lisbon treaty (his wonderful bit of orwellian speak was "its a YES.........if) when they clearly didnt and in fact finally admited as much two weeks after the referendum was lost.
i made my case and told him id rather the whole post was deleted than altered and he left it as it was.
on politics.ie there isnt so much moderation as the judicial use of the ignore list function by the users themselves. the "Rep" system, while not perfect DOES give you an idea of the track record of the posters involved so thats how you weed out the nutters from the people with genuine info. sure it makes for a more chaotic site but you also have a MUCH better flow of information than what you get in boards.ie's politics section which is pretty much the personal fifedom of certain moderators.
i could name probably three posters straight off the batt that'd never last a week on the boards politics section but who called what happend in the world economy in the last year right down to the names of big multinationals that'd bite the dust. one of em got to within 800 points off where the ISEQ would be now over a YEAR in advance (saved me seven grand to boot )
ive always precieved it as more of a cyberpub where you can drop into certain groups when you want and stay away from others when you dont.
end of the day no one is FORCING peole to go there, while ironically boards.ie politics section IS forcing people away. so if ya dont like it ,dont go there.
theres an "off" switch on the computer for a reason.
The main problems with P.ie IMO are two-fold: first, its popularity and relatively light moderation mean that you have a lot of crazy people saying crazy things which lowers the credibility and enjoyability of the site. The alternative is to have heavy moderation like Boards.ie and risk being accused of censorship or being labelled politically correct. So when a site gets popular and starts attracting nutjobs and trolls you're either damned if you do or damned if you don't. Neither option (the P.ie way or he boards way) is "right" or "wrong" really, though I personally prefer the boards way of enforcing sensible, civilized discussion.
The second problem is that the site is associated very closely with DC. It's his baby, and he has his own views and interests which I think are often reflected in the way the site is run. I have referred above to the infractions faced by anti-Libertas posters while anti-Lisbon posters generally get away with doing the same kind of thing. There is also the fact that the Socialist Party do not have a forum of their own despite having representation in the EP, while the PDs still have their forum long after they have ceased to exist (low and behold, DC used to be a PD and still faps away to their right-wing economic policies).
Another problem (I know I said the problems are two-fold but this is minor) is that those banners up the top of the p[age and their "headlines" of sorts, are sometimes kind of tabloidey and immature.
That said, there is some good to be found on P.ie. In the Chat section, people tend to be fairly good at putting away their rivalries and having a laugh. You do also get some very good threads on there, due I suppose to the popularity and volume of posting on the site. I do still post there regularly, though not quite as often as I once did and I find myself putting less thought into my posts over there, probably because I know that even the person to whom the post is addressed will take at most a cursory glance over what I have written and proceed to reply based on what he would like me to have said.
I also use the blog feature over on P.ie, mainly to copy and paste lengthy comprehensive posts I make on the site and elsewhere. For discussion though I find that machinenation.org is better, if a lot less crowded.0 -
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Some of my own recent experience on P.ie is recounted here:
http://mediabite.wordpress.com/2009/12/20/politics-ie-has-serious-questions-to-answer/
and here:
http://peoplekorps.blogspot.com/2009/12/politicsie-problems-open-letter-from.html
I guess I must be the first internet poster in a Western democracy to have been banned from a site for saying she enjoyed poetry.:P
I suspended a few accounts, yours was included, as you posted the following message.
"No, but a lot of poets are funny. I think that poetry stand up is called a jam. Or a slam."
It somehow reminds me of that often misquoted line "when I hear the word culture, i reach for my gun" often misascribed to Goring.
A general cull of over 300 members last week, with a significant number of Libertas opponents and also Republicans getting evicted, leaves the site somewhat lopsided.0 -
Some of my own recent experience on P.ie is recounted here:
http://mediabite.wordpress.com/2009/12/20/politics-ie-has-serious-questions-to-answer/
and here:
http://peoplekorps.blogspot.com/2009/12/politicsie-problems-open-letter-from.html
I guess I must be the first internet poster in a Western democracy to have been banned from a site for saying she enjoyed poetry.:P
It somehow reminds me of that often misquoted line "when I hear the word culture, i reach for my gun" often misascribed to Goring.
A general cull of over 300 members last week, with a significant number of Libertas opponents and also Republicans getting evicted, leaves the site somewhat lopsided.
That is not the reason for your banning and you'd be well aware of that. DC had asked you to pm him and it's between the two of ye, but for the information of others, you were not banned for simply saying you liked poetry.0 -
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