New militarized flu spreading like wildfire in Mexico City

nodolan

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Question to Derry:

What if you are wrong and the fact that you not getting vaccinated led to you becoming sick and infecting many people, your family & friends, etc?

Hmm sounds a lot like Pascal's Wager.

Kernel

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Yep. Given the fact that you are intentionally administering someone with a weakened strain of an illness, why are you surprised that people come away with symptoms of sickness?

This is the whole point. You teach the body to defend itself against the weak strain, so when the full-strength strain comes along, the body is prepared.

The reason I asked you to explain it was because I foolishly believed that the penny would drop for you.

Ah well...

Perhaps I should spell it out more clearly to you.

You get the flu shot, you get a very bad dose of flu.

You don't get the flu shot, you don't get any dose.

Hence my statement that people who get the flu shot get sick.

No need for the smug replies either, if you want to engage in debate with conpiracy theorists on the conspiracy theories forum, then it would seem correct to use some manners, no?

themetallifan

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

According to this article frpm a Patricia A. Doyle DVM, PhD Bus Admin, Tropical Agricultural Economics Univ of West Indies, Taking the Swine Flu Vaccine is not such a good idea.

http://rense.com/general85/vacc.htm

Yes, a vet with a PhD in Business really knows what she's talking about....

I think I'll choose not to believe her though.

The flu-vaccine is safe and you are endangering yourself and others if, when the time comes that there is a pandemic, you do not get immunised.

Kernel

themetallifan wrote: »

The flu-vaccine is safe and you are endangering yourself and others if, when the time comes that there is a pandemic, you do not get immunised.

There is no vaccine for the current H1N1 swine flu though. But hey, buy the vaccines if they make you feel safer.

bonkey

Kernel wrote: »

No need for the smug replies either, if you want to engage in debate with conpiracy theorists on the conspiracy theories forum, then it would seem correct to use some manners, no?

If you have a problem with posts, then follow the charter's instructions and report them.

If you are reporting the post, then don't comment in-thread.
If you are not reporting the post, then you can't have a problem with it that's worth commenting about in-thread.

North_West_Art

King Mob wrote: »

Wow. Militarised flu?
Any evidence of this?

Any evidence the BBC is controlled?

There is some evidence alright... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNIm5HQo81c&feature=fvsr

King Mob

Kernel wrote: »

There is no vaccine for the current H1N1 swine flu though. But hey, buy the vaccines if they make you feel safer.

But no one is selling it yet.

But we've heard all manner f accusations about it even though it's yet to exist.

tallaght01

Kernel wrote: »

You get the flu shot, you get a very bad dose of flu.

???????

meglome

nodolan wrote: »

Hmm sounds a lot like Pascal's Wager.

I don't suppose that any pharmaceutical company is perfect but are you actually saying we shouldn't use vaccines?

J_Kerr

tallaght01 wrote: »

???????

The idea that vaccines are the virus is an urban myth isn't it?

meglome

Kernel wrote: »

Perhaps I should spell it out more clearly to you.

You get the flu shot, you get a very bad dose of flu.

You don't get the flu shot, you don't get any dose.

Hence my statement that people who get the flu shot get sick.

No need for the smug replies either, if you want to engage in debate with conpiracy theorists on the conspiracy theories forum, then it would seem correct to use some manners, no?

In fairness what Flamed Driving said is true. The reply didn't seem smug to me and was factually correct. Unlike what you said which isn't.

I just really hope that people reading these threads wouldn't stop getting their children vaccinated because that would be very dangerous indeed.

meglome

J_Kerr wrote: »

The idea that vaccines are the virus is an urban myth isn't it?

Nope they give you a light dose of the virus so that your immune system can tackle it from then on. It can mean you get some symptoms of the virus but they should be very minor.

King Mob

J_Kerr wrote: »

The idea that vaccines are the virus is an urban myth isn't it?

It's an inert or weakened version of the virus, to stimulate the produce of antibodies that can fight the virus.

themetallifan

J_Kerr wrote: »

The idea that vaccines are the virus is an urban myth isn't it?

In certain cases yes, but in some cases, such as the Mumps vaccine, a live attenuated (non-disease causing) virus is used. Still, all types used have gone through rigorous clinical trials.

H1N1 vaccines have been made before (late 1980's)...it's just a question of whether they can manufacture this particular one fast enough in the case of an pandemic.

J_Kerr

Ok, I remeber hearing people talk about it as if you get some full blown virus.

King Mob

themetallifan wrote: »

H1N1 vaccines have been made before (late 1980's)...it's just a question of whether they can manufacture this particular one fast enough in the case of an pandemic.

So the vaccine actually does exist? Does it work against this flu?

tallaght01

There's no live virus in the flu vaccine. I do a clinic twice a week where we offer flu vaccine to kids. Stacks of them get it, and there's not many side effects aside from red arms etc. Some people get a bit of a high temperature as their body starts the immunity process. But generally it's a very well tolerated vaccine.

tallaght01

King Mob wrote: »

So the vaccine actually does exist? Does it work against this flu?

No, there's some pretty frantic work going on around the world right now, though, to try and make a vaccine.

nodolan

meglome wrote: »

I don't suppose that any pharmaceutical company is perfect but are you actually saying we shouldn't use vaccines?

If you read through my posts you'll see that I never actually said not to take vaccines. I'm simply saying that not everything you're told by experts is true (especially those financed by big pharma and those working for government agencies) and you can't always believe your government (in fact as time goes on it seems to be an economy of diminishing returns on both of those).

The Precautionary Principle seems to be good enough for governments when it suits them but when their citizens question certain issues we're suddenly tin foil hat wearers and conspiracy theorists.

meglome

nodolan wrote: »

If you read through my posts you'll see that I never actually said not to take vaccines. I'm simply saying that not everything you're told by experts is true (especially those financed by big pharma and those working for government agencies) and you can't always believe your government (in fact as time goes on it seems to be an economy of diminishing returns on both of those).

The Precautionary Principle seems to be good enough for governments when it suits them but when their citizens question certain issues we're suddenly tin foil hat wearers and conspiracy theorists.

Ah okay so are we saying the vast majority of vaccines are okay but there are some small issues? That's what it sounds like now.

J_Kerr

tallaght01 wrote: »

No, there's some pretty frantic work going on around the world right now, though, to try and make a vaccine.

Does the fact that it's a mutated version of a common virus make it easier to make a vaccine? I hope they get it soon otherwise there will be threads about the elite withholding the vaccine.

tallaght01

J_Kerr wrote: »

Does the fact that it's a mutated version of a common virus make it easier to make a vaccine? I hope they get it soon otherwise there will be threads about the elite withholding the vaccine.

LOL it's true. I have 3 vials under my pillow, but we're not giving it to the plebs until the population reduction plan has been put in place :P

But, yes, the fact that this is a strain of flu makes it a bit easier to make a vaccine. But there will also be other technical factors at play.

DeadParrot

This is hard to comprehend.
Derry, have you any explanation why this flu is being deployed as a weapon?


With a long incubation period and its general close proximity to the US, it seems a bad idea for a bio weapon from the big bad NWO

nodolan

meglome wrote:

Ah okay so are we saying the vast majority of vaccines are okay but there are some small issues? That's what it sounds like now.

Em...where did I say 'vast majority'? That's the same tactic used by another board member - inflation and drama. You need to see an audiologist

DeadParrot wrote:

With a long incubation period and its general close proximity to the US, it seems a bad idea for a bio weapon from the big bad NWO

Reports on the wires say that the incubation period is actually closer to 24-48hrs and not one week as previously stated.

6th

nodolan wrote: »

Em...where did I say 'vast majority'? That's the same tactic used by another board member - inflation and drama. You need to see an audiologist

Have you read the charter of this forum? Especially this bit:

• Respect other posters
Snide remarks and bitching will not be tolerated, nor will accusations thrown at other members of the Boards.ie community. Singling out a poster or posters, including stating things like "some posters on here" could land you in trouble.

nodolan

^ Did you see the smilie I included?

Volvagia

As someone mentioned earlier:

IF this is a militarised virus that was created in US labs, as the OP has stated why would they start the outbreak so close to home.

There is still the problem of illegal immigration into the US from Mexico, would the US military not be shooting themselves in the foot by starting the pandemic just over the border?

6th

nodolan wrote: »

^ Did you see the smilie I included? You need to calm down 6th.

Using smilies doesnt mean you can say what you want tho. No please, read the charter - there are most likely other bits you missed.

Kernel

Volvagia wrote: »

As someone mentioned earlier:

IF this is a militarised virus that was created in US labs, as the OP has stated why would they start the outbreak so close to home.

There is still the problem of illegal immigration into the US from Mexico, would the US military not be shooting themselves in the foot by starting the pandemic just over the border?

Well, unlike AIDS, there's little evidence to suggest that this is a bio weapon, but playing devil's advocate here, as I often do, then if the NWO agenda of population reduction to less than 1 billion is to be believed, it matters little where the pandemic starts. Merely that it sweeps the globe and does it's job. Indeed going a step further you could even say that starting an outbreak near the US could even alleviate suspicions.

I always thought Asia would be the place targeted, however, particularly when you look at the population density and the writings/musings of Brzezinski and Kissinger with regard to Asia being in competition with the west, and the view of historians like Niall Ferguson that Asia is the most likely region to grow in power and wealth - which is played out by Chinese supremacy nowadays.

meglome

Kernel wrote: »

Well, unlike AIDS, there's little evidence to suggest that this is a bio weapon, but playing devil's advocate here, as I often do, then if the NWO agenda of population reduction to less than 1 billion is to be believed, it matters little where the pandemic starts. Merely that it sweeps the globe and does it's job. Indeed going a step further you could even say that starting an outbreak near the US could even alleviate suspicions.

I always thought Asia would be the place targeted, however, particularly when you look at the population density and the writings/musings of Brzezinski and Kissinger with regard to Asia being in competition with the west, and the view of historians like Niall Ferguson that Asia is the most likely region to grow in power and wealth - which is played out by Chinese supremacy nowadays.

But didn't it start in Mexico?

phantom_lord

derry wrote: »

On medical questions MY OWN opinion is
I WILL NEVER EVER TAKE A VACCINE

good stuff. hopefully we wont have to suffer you much longer so.

Kernel

meglome wrote: »

But didn't it start in Mexico?

What?

EDIT: Yes, it did, so what's the point?

6th

phantom_lord wrote: »

good stuff. hopefully we wont have to suffer you much longer so.

Infracted for personal abuse.

meglome

Kernel wrote: »

What?

EDIT: Yes, it did, so what's the point?

Oh it's just that you said if the NWO were killing off the population they would start in Asia. So it started in Mexico so maybe it wasn't the NWO.

Undergod

Kernel wrote: »

Yes I understand what a vaccine is, however the goal is not to make you sick. The goal is to administer a low enough doseage or a harmless strain in order to provoke an immune response to prevent the body being susceptible to a full dose. Does that answer your point?

Kernel wrote: »

Perhaps I should spell it out more clearly to you.

You get the flu shot, you get a very bad dose of flu.

These seem incompatible, unless you mean the theoretical goal and the actual implementation are different things?

J_Kerr

meglome wrote: »

Oh it's just that you said if the NWO were killing off the population they would start in Asia. So it started in Mexico so maybe it wasn't the NWO.

What are you doing on the CT forum? There are two NWO's.
New World Order and the Newer World Order (splitters).

Kernel

meglome wrote: »

Oh it's just that you said if the NWO were killing off the population they would start in Asia. So it started in Mexico so maybe it wasn't the NWO.

No meglome, I said that "I always thought Asia would be the place targeted", not that it would be the place. What I think from analysis and what happens are often (but not exclusively) different things.

rameire

i take it the nwo has also orchestrated the earthquake in mexico.
just to kick them when they are down.

bonkey

rameire wrote: »

i take it the nwo has also orchestrated the earthquake in mexico.
just to kick them when they are down.

Someone must have, unless you believe in coincidence.

Mac daddy

Have a gander at this if you have a spare 20mins

http://www.spp-psp.gc.ca/eic/site/spp-psp.nsf/vwapj/pandemic-influenza.pdf/$FILE/pandemic-influenza.pdf

meglome

Kernel wrote: »

No meglome, I said that "I always thought Asia would be the place targeted", not that it would be the place. What I think from analysis and what happens are often (but not exclusively) different things.

Indeed you did sorry. So your analysis was completely wrong but you're still assuming it's all part of a NWO plot?

nodolan

Mac daddy wrote: »

Have a gander at this if you have a spare 20mins

http://www.spp-psp.gc.ca/eic/site/spp-psp.nsf/vwapj/pandemic-influenza.pdf/$FILE/pandemic-influenza.pdf

Very interesting.

I love the title: Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America

"What differentiates the SPP from other security and trade agreements is that it is not subject to Congressional oversight or approval. The SPP establishes a corporate/government bureaucracy for implementation that excludes civil society participation. ... Facing a worrisome pact pushed forward in secrecy, it is time for Congress to halt this undemocratic approach and establish a process based on openness, accountability, and the participation of civil society."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_and_Prosperity_Partnership_of_North_America

I love the way they talk about a "a novel strain of infuenza" and that whatever the size and seriousness of a pandemic there should be "minimal economic disruption". Never mind that people might be dying in their scores or even hundreds (or more) - business as usual.

Maintaining critical infrastructure and services will be essential during a pandemic. While influenza cannot physically damage critical infrastructure, a pandemic could weaken it by diverting essential resources or removing essential personnel from the workplace. This Plan, therefore, extends beyond the health sector to include a coordinated approach to critical infrastructure protection, including the importance of business continuity planning and recognition of interdependencies among sectors.

:rolleyes:

humanji

You seem to miss the bigger picture. What good is saving every american life if the entire country is destroyed in the process. There are departments that deal with saving lives. Should everyone else sit around scratching their arses? Or should they perhaps try and keep their country going and try and stop the collapse of civilisation?

DeadParrot

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=p&msa=0&msid=106484775090296685271.0004681a37b713f6b5950&ll=32.639375,-110.390625&spn=15.738151,25.488281&z=5&mid=1240830363

Undergod

meglome wrote: »

Indeed you did sorry. So your analysis was completely wrong but you're still assuming it's all part of a NWO plot?

I can see the point Kernel is making, to be fair, he's just saying he thought that if the NWO were to release a a virus, he'd have imagined it would be in Asia. The belief that it's NWO is based on other factors as well.

meglome

Undergod wrote: »

I can see the point Kernel is making, to be fair, he's just saying he thought that if the NWO were to release a a virus, he'd have imagined it would be in Asia. The belief that it's NWO is based on other factors as well.

So he used his research knowledge of the NWO to surmise a virus would be released in Asia, which it wasn't. If the US are very much behind the NWO why would they release a virus in their own back yard? A large number of people travel from Mexico to the US on a daily basis so you would be spreading it all over the US as well.

The point I'm making is if you are planning for population reduction you would start in a highly populated Asian country where life is much cheaper. That way a lot more people would die before a vaccine is found. So what is the point in giving detailed reasons for why the NWO would release this virus and then still believe it was them when the real world situation is quite different? If your information of the NWO involvement doesn't match up why isn't it just another naturally occurring event?

humanji

Well to be fair, and I think it was said before, that if the pandemic starts in the US or it's close neighbours, it would shift the blame. Anybody who would say that the US was to blame, would be dismissed as a looney. So the NWO would have free reign to dump people into Fema camps, cull the rest and set up their 1984 styled regime with a lower population of people who have been screened to make sure theyy won't cause a fuss.

All the while, various other outbreaks would occur around the world and made look like the virus has been spread from the original source. Those who created the virus will already have been vacinated and so largely will be safe. Other nations will undoubtably create their own vaccines, but it will be too late for the majority of their populations. They'll be weakened as a result and be ripe for the picking.

That's all bollox of course, but if I were a comic book villain, that's how I'd do it.

Chardee MacDennis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Y5B9VZL6g

sorry if this has already been posted, but tis scary stuff alright!

meglome

humanji wrote: »

Well to be fair, and I think it was said before, that if the pandemic starts in the US or it's close neighbours, it would shift the blame. Anybody who would say that the US was to blame, would be dismissed as a looney. So the NWO would have free reign to dump people into Fema camps, cull the rest and set up their 1984 styled regime with a lower population of people who have been screened to make sure theyy won't cause a fuss.

All the while, various other outbreaks would occur around the world and made look like the virus has been spread from the original source. Those who created the virus will already have been vacinated and so largely will be safe. Other nations will undoubtably create their own vaccines, but it will be too late for the majority of their populations. They'll be weakened as a result and be ripe for the picking.

That's all bollox of course, but if I were a comic book villain, that's how I'd do it.

I agree that in the comic book villain way this makes perfect sense.

Of course I can't wait for the CT'ers to come back in and admit they were wrong (again) about this virus outbreak. Although I suppose law of averages they will be right eventually.

humanji

Of course there's another possibility, in that it's part of an attack on the US that maybe has gone a little wrong. For Spring break, many US college students head to Mexico. Infect them (should be easily to get a drunken student to do anything!), and they go home, feeling a little sick a day or two later. They'll come into contact with loads of other people and the virus spreads.

The only downside of this plan is that you don't really have control on who has the virus or what it mutates into, so you have to make damn sure that you're not going to be somwhere where you can get infected yourself, for example, a cave in Afghanistan...