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Why Don't 'Save Cancer' Campaign Run Cllr??

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  • 25-04-2009 4:12pm
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    shellyriver
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    Hi posties --

    Considering the genuine, real and palpable anger concerning the Cancer Services retention campaign in Sligo -- I am a little baffled why the SOS don't run a candidate in Sligo.

    I know, that John Perry TD said if Fine Gael were in the withdrawal wouldn't happen in Sligo Hospital.

    I think the likes of Fergal McLoughlin would be a wonderful straight-talking conviction representative -- that wee McMorrow lady can certainly hold her own.

    They probably want to try and keep in anti-Government parties and rise above the mire -- but I'd certainly give my No 1 preference to however stood for this campaign, and I believe they would have huge support.

    What does thoust think?


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    Xiney
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    Maybe you should contact them and ask?


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    EuskalHerria
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    I havn't been to a meeting in a while, but will be there at the I.T on tuesday to ask. I Remember this being asked before.


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    shellyriver
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    I attended Public Rallies -- and trust me I'd love to, but have a very busy career and can't take the time.

    As I stated, what I can do its give them the benefit of my franchise.

    Just wondering why the SOS group don't run a candidate.

    Maybe Flukey Gorman could be dusty down -- he'd certainly attract attention.

    Jesus there were some real characters in Sligo in the 80s.


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    slapbangwhallop
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    Xiney wrote: »
    Maybe you should contact them and ask?

    maybe you should keep your snide comments to yourself!This is a dicussion forum after all!


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    fmcc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 225 ✭✭fmcc


    seemed to be a suggestion to me rather than a snide comment.


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    slapbangwhallop
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    fmcc wrote: »
    seemed to be a suggestion to me rather than a snide comment.

    yeah right! :rolleyes:


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    darealtulip
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    fmcc wrote: »
    seemed to be a suggestion to me rather than a snide comment.

    +1 And a good suggestion, I would be interessted what their answer would be.


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    Hail 2 Da Chimp
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    Uh-oooh! Someone's gonna get in trouble!


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    slapbangwhallop
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    darealtulip wrote: »
    +1 And a good suggestion, I would be interessted what their answer would be.

    Nothing to do with that poster being your friend? What if everyone replied to an OP like that - what a funny place it would be! It was an ignorant and snide comment in my opinion.


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    Xiney
    Registered Users Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Xiney


    slapbangwhallop banned for 1 month

    (he's on his third ban from this forum - next one will be permanent)


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    darealtulip
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    slapbangwhallop wrote: »
    Nothing to do with that poster being your friend? What if everyone replied to an OP like that - what a funny place it would be! It was an ignorant and snide comment in my opinion.

    And I still got warnings and a post removed, just because she doesn't side while having her moderator hat on!!!


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    jimmycrackcorm
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    Why do people want to keep substandard cancer services in sligo instead of using a centre of excellence in the first place?


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    fmcc
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    Jimmy where is sligo substandard? Ask anyone reciving treatment how much they enjoy their bus journey up and down to Galway everyday. Or you could stay in Galway and have your family and friends travel to see you instead. Either way a major pain in the ass when undergoing treatment.


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    shellyriver
    Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭shellyriver


    Head Crack Head, are you in FF or the HSE, or just some random person with a simplistic and puerile view on the topic. You call it substandard -- however, medical reports claim that it's on a par with a top hospital in New York.

    Maybe you should crack your head off a pavement -- and knock a little sense into it.

    I was in Mater where a relative -- a native of Sligo -- would subsequently shortly die due to Cancer. There aint no such thing as a Centre of Excellence -- its politico-babble. Why should people in Sligo have to travel to an underfunded and over-crowded hospital hundreds of miles away for cancer treatment? Allied with those the likes of Breast Cancer is available in Sligo Town.

    PS Xiney -- in response to your response which is on this thread -- so I take it that it's okay to reply -- as a matter of fact I did ask the SOS about running a candidate, and got no reply.

    Hope that clarifies matters for you Xiney -- because as the thread is posing the question, I don't know all the whys and wherefores on the matter -- so I am curious and interested to learn other's viewpoints on this issue.

    Hope that that is in order.


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    Xiney
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    shellyriver banned for 1 month for insulting another user and inciting violence against the same.


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    darealtulip
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    shellyriver wrote: »
    PS Xiney -- in response to your response which is on this thread -- so I take it that it's okay to reply -- as a matter of fact I did ask the SOS about running a candidate, and got no reply.

    Hope that clarifies matters for you Xiney -- because as the thread is posing the question, I don't know all the whys and wherefores on the matter -- so I am curious and interested to learn other's viewpoints on this issue.

    Hope that that is in order.

    Can't believe they didn't reply!!! I think it's a good idea as well to run a candidate.


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    starbelgrade
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    shellyriver wrote: »
    Hi posties --

    Considering the genuine, real and palpable anger concerning the Cancer Services retention campaign in Sligo -- I am a little baffled why the SOS don't run a candidate in Sligo.

    It's only one issue - a big one granted, but I can't see anyone being elected if their policy is a single issue.

    Nice one on getting the one month ban though - you don't often see that in this forum. People tend to be nice to one another & discuss issues without flinging out insults when others disagree with you.


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    Hail 2 Da Chimp
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    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Why do people want to keep substandard cancer services in sligo instead of using a centre of excellence in the first place?

    Also people in Donegal now have to travel through Sligo to Galway in order to undergo treatment.
    Some of these people are very elderly and are often not guaranteed a bed when they get there. I've actually heard of people being sent home without being treated as they are so short staffed / busy.
    So in summary, you could spend up to 5 hours traveling to Galway, end up sitting on a bed / trolley for hours, not get treated and spend another 5 hours traveling home. A lot of these patients would be retired and wouldn't own their own cars so would be forced to use public transport or if they're lucky a relative could take time off work to drive them to their appointments.


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    EuskalHerria
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    starbelgrade wrote: »
    It's only one issue - a big one granted, but I can't see anyone being elected if their policy is a single issue.
    To be fair at least it would be known that it is an issue that is not a personal one, something that can't be said for everyone running around this county.


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    starbelgrade
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    EuskalHerria wrote: »
    To be fair at least it would be known that it is an issue that is not a personal one, something that can't be said for everyone running around this county.

    It's still isn't enough to make me vote - anyone running for office needs to have comprehensive policies.


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    The_Minister
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    fmcc wrote: »
    Jimmy where is sligo substandard? Ask anyone reciving treatment how much they enjoy their bus journey up and down to Galway everyday. Or you could stay in Galway and have your family and friends travel to see you instead. Either way a major pain in the ass when undergoing treatment.
    And what you are ignoring is that the evidence shows that there could be a 20%+ difference in the survival rates. That's why countries are adopting this model all over Europe.
    Convenience is nothing when compared to a 20% difference in survival.


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    fmcc
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    The_Minister wrote: »
    And what you are ignoring is that the evidence shows that there could be a 20%+ difference in the survival rates. That's why countries are adopting this model all over Europe.
    Convenience is nothing when compared to a 20% difference in survival.

    What evidence minister ( love the name) and Prof Keane's assertion that we will have 2 or 3rd best cancer treatmenrt in Europe/world whens its finished?
    1 when will it be finished and 2 is that his opinion ( he designed it) or independantly assesed?


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    The_Minister
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    fmcc wrote: »
    What evidence minister ( love the name) and Prof Keane's assertion that we will have 2 or 3rd best cancer treatmenrt in Europe/world whens its finished?
    1 when will it be finished and 2 is that his opinion ( he designed it) or independantly assesed?
    Over 300 studies published across the world show that centralised cancer systems work (on average) 20% better. Keane isn't just pulling this out of his ass, its based on actual evidence.


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    EuskalHerria
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    The_Minister wrote: »
    Over 300 studies published across the world show that centralised cancer systems work (on average) 20% better. Keane isn't just pulling this out of his ass, its based on actual evidence.
    No worries for yourself I'm sure your feeling safe enough sitting beside 4 centre of excellences.


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    darealtulip
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    EuskalHerria wrote: »
    No worries for yourself I'm sure your feeling safe enough sitting beside 4 centre of excellences.

    Did you run out of arguments? Normaly you have arguments but now some one comes with facts you result to this? Bit childish and below your usual level.


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    fmcc
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    over 300 studies fair enough please post a lnk to 3-5 of them if possible that focus on rural communities. canada is the obvious but not so much rural as wilderness so i wonder is it really a fair comparison.


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    Hail 2 Da Chimp
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    The_Minister wrote: »
    Over 300 studies published across the world show that centralised cancer systems work (on average) 20% better.

    Maybe they work better on average but that's not to say the government knew what they were doing when they had drawn up this plan...


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    tuppence
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    I agree. As the argument goes Sligo Generals Cancer services have been assessed at this moment in time and found to be of an excellent standard. The others appear in some cases to have along way to reach this level as evidence above is beginning to emerge.(they are just starting out to be fair on them)
    And isnt it the case that many may have advocated that the centres of excellence may indeed be a good model. However in a very unequal roads and rails infrastructure that we have historically found ourselves it is causing a huge burden for people having to travel these long distances as Hail 2 da Chimp pointed out. With the quality that Sligo General has along with its position in a historically remote region, this is an argument in itself for it to be the 5th Centre of excellence?


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    guinnessdrinker
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    I agree with tuppence. The centres of excellence look great on paper, why wouldn't they though? Who can argue against specialised units that can increase survival rates?

    However, the geographical spread of the centres is ill thought out for lack of better words. With no centre of excellence north of the line between Dublin and Galway. And as tuppence pointed out we simply do not have very good infastructure that is needed for people that have to travel long distances in comfort. We don't even have a rail link to Galway and whilst the road from Sligo town to Galway city is not the worst, it's certainly not the best in places and what about people that have to travel from rural areas in the North West to get to Galway?


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    EuskalHerria
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    darealtulip wrote: »
    Did you run out of arguments? Normaly you have arguments but now some one comes with facts you result to this? Bit childish and below your usual level.
    Was just highlighting the fact that it is easy for someone based in dublin to argue that Dr.keanes plan is ineed one that will benifit the entire country, when he or she does not have to travel very far for cancer treatment and testing.

    It is merely an observation that requires "the minister" to have some perspective on the matter, that people in the north west are looking at serious travel hours to seek basic cancer treaatment and testing.

    Also Hopefully everyone will try and make the effort to get to the cancer services meeting at 8 o clock tonight in the sligo I.T. directions to which room are availabe at the front desk, hopefully those who can will attend.


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