Unofficial Bus Strike...

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angel01 wrote: »

I at times have gotten some of the Finglas buses and been told as soon as I get on that they are not going the usual route or within 5 minutes of the bus moving.

At times, yes.

More often than not the driver won't tell you unless you ask though.

Many times I've gotten on a 40d at Parnell Street after 10pm and after three or four times of not being told, I ask every time now. The look some of the drivers do give you, as if you've killed and eaten their firstborn.

whippet

meanmachine3 wrote: »

gross ,thats earned less than €35K gross.

how long are you driving? as you are there abouts on the national average wage ... your salary will obviously rise with service.

dereko1969

whippet wrote: »

actually, both are driving heavy goods vehicles around a congested city. One missed blind spot on a long wheelbase van or truck could wipe out a few pedestrians, cyclists ... don't make out that bus drivers are heros and up on a pedistal alone.

Van / Truck drivers have to drive where ever their goods are needed, bus drivers drive along pre determinded routes, with bus lanes, prescribed stops (god forbid if they had to stop somewhere else). In essence the routes they drive are generally suited to their mode of transport.

i never said bus drivers are heroes and you're still equating boxes with people!

angel01

Des wrote: »

At times, yes.

More often than not the driver won't tell you unless you ask though.

Many times I've gotten on a 40d at Parnell Street after 10pm and after three or four times of not being told, I ask every time now. The look some of the drivers do give you, as if you've killed and eaten their firstborn.

To be honest, I have never got any of the 40 routes after 10pm so I can't comment on that but every time I have got the bus and there has been a change to the route, the driver has informed us all very quickly after boarding the bus.

dub_commuter

Des wrote: »

At times, yes.

More often than not the driver won't tell you unless you ask though.

Many times I've gotten on a 40d at Parnell Street after 10pm and after three or four times of not being told, I ask every time now. The look some of the drivers do give you, as if you've killed and eaten their firstborn.

In my experience I've only had it happen once that I have not been told and this was because the decision was made whilst we were on Finglas Road at the last minute.

Just to think, things could be worse, you could get the 38/a and get the lady who is paranoid about her mirrors and demands you stand well back from every bus stop before she'll open the doors, unlike any other driver.

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dub_commuter wrote: »

Just to think, things could be worse, you could get the 38/a and get the lady who is paranoid about her mirrors and demands you stand well back from every bus stop before she'll open the doors, unlike any other driver.

That is not worse than being left with a forty minute unexpected walk home at eleven o'clock at night through Finglas South and West, I can assure you.

angel01

Des wrote: »

That is not worse than being left with a forty minute unexpected walk home at eleven o'clock at night through Finglas South and West, I can assure you.

What do you want the driver to do? Drive through an area where it is felt unsafe for the driver and the passengers and endanger you all? You should be aiming your feelings towards these yobs that throw stones/rocks or whatever it is that they are throwing at the buses.

shltter

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe DB management intended on the buses actually running out of Harristown no? So therefore, the fact that the buses did not arrive at peoples bus stops, people arrived late / not at all for work, couldn't get to school / hospital etc is entirely down to the drivers, who decided to wash their dirty laundry in the most public way.

No they were left in no doubt that if they tried to force in the bill on Sunday without following the procedure they had promised that the drivers would not drive an unagreed bill.

meanmachine3

Des wrote: »

You can't speak to the passengers if they have a query?

I don't believe that.

Are you required by Management to issue change receipts, or must passengers ask for them?

What about announcing route changes? Are passengers supposed to be psychic? Should I ring the Garage before commencing every journey to make sure the bus is taking the described route?

we can use the P/A alright only when stopped. you can ask any inspector from dublin bus he'll tell you what i just posted.or even ring the garage or head office with the same question. change receipts are meant to be issued but in alot of cases passengers walk of before we try to hit the buttons. theres no problem coming up to a driver at bus stops with your querie.

dub_commuter

angel01 wrote: »

What do you want the driver to do? Drive through an area where it is felt unsafe for the driver and the passengers and endanger you all? You should be aiming your feelings towards these yobs that throw stones/rocks or whatever it is that they are throwing at the buses.

What they said!

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angel01 wrote: »

What do you want the driver to do? Drive through an area where it is felt unsafe for the driver and the passengers and endanger you all? You should be aiming your feelings towards these yobs that throw stones/rocks or whatever it is that they are throwing at the buses.

Nope, I understand that the stone throwers must be avoided.

But.

It would be nice to be told of the change of route, before I pay for my journey if possible, or at least before the bus doesn't make the proper turn and I stand up on a moving bus to go and ask the driver, who isn't supposed to talk to me while the bus is moving.

shltter

dub_commuter wrote: »

Just to think, things could be worse, you could get the 38/a and get the lady who is paranoid about her mirrors and demands you stand well back from every bus stop before she'll open the doors, unlike any other driver.

Ah its just the rest of us don't care whether we take your head off

Rayan

meanmachine3 wrote: »

gross ,thats earned less than €35K gross.
the reason i asked about polite drivers is this. we are under the watchful eye of everyone now.
we issue a ticket after pulling away from a stop we get our asses kicked.
we're seen talking to anyone incl. passengers that need our help other than at bus stops while loading/unloading and that includes bus stops where we're waiting on a green light, we get our asses kicked.
dublin bus have in the last few weeks come down on us like a ton of bricks and it's all to do with health and safety.
the only thing we're allowed to do is this. drive bus, load/unload passengers at stops, inssue tickets at stops. anything else we do we get our asses kicked from now on

Having to adhere to your job specification, you poor thing, nobody else in the working world has to do that :rolleyes:

dub_commuter

shltter wrote: »

Ah its just the rest of us don't care whether we take your head off

Oh this woman is extreme, if you have a Bus Pole, you must have about 5-6 feet between the pold and wear you stand, completely mental!

jaybird

whippet wrote: »

how long are you driving? as you are there abouts on the national average wage ... your salary will obviously rise with service.

There is only a 4 point scale, after 4 years thats all you get. There used to be a culture of lots of overtime, which did significantly bump up pay, but thats all gone now. We don't expect to get any anymore. But what we don't deserve is everyone telling us how much money we are making when it simply isn't true.

As for some of the other complaints. If you talk to the driver while the bus is moving, and he talks back, even to tell you he can't talk to you, he can be disciplined. There are plain clothes inspectors roaming the buses to watch them, as well as a camera pointed at the driver. In order to speak to you, he has to pull over in a safe place, but then you would complain that he is stopping and you'll be late.

I've had drivers get out of their cabs and help me onto the bus with a pram and shopping, even though again, they are not allowed to do this, and can get into trouble for it.

You would like to be told if the route is being diverted and where you're going, of course you would, but the driver might not have been told til the last minute, or he might have been told not to announce it for all kinds of reasons. Or he might just be a lazy prick.

You need to understand that there are strict rules about what the driver can do, and if he breaks them, he will be in a lot of trouble. Or since we have established that most commuters care about nothing but getting to their own destination, can we assume that you think your driver should risk getting fired to have a little chat with you about the stops?

Oh and in case anyone is interested in the actual issue at all, the drivers offered to go back to work this afternoon, with spare (junior) drivers doing the new bill while its agrees, and management turned them down. I'm sure you can make that the drivers fault as well though.

Sensible_User

HERE ARE THE FACTS OF THE MATTER

This disruption is due to unofficial Industrial action by drivers at Harristown depot following the introduction of service changes which were agreed and accepted following a Labour Court Recommendation.

Unfortunately due to the fact that one driver who is out to promote a socialist party agenda went on strike we now have the whole city being effected by ILLEGAL wildcat strikes.

Dublin Bus Drivers agreed to this method and agreements and anybody who disputes this should review the document on the LRC site which says any disputes should be dealt with later.

Dublin Bus is a world class transport company and the management of the company have led a highly worldwide appreciated group of companies to providiung a proper public service ahead of raking in massive profits such as the companies in the UK.

The roster changes that are causing all this fuss were fully agreed at the Labour Court earlier this month. Under normal circumstances, that should have been the end of the matter. Drivers have hidden agendas related to the socialist party and the BWAG.

BWAG have gone back to the bad old trade union rulebook of the 1970s -- throw the toys out of your pram when you don't get what you want and let the people who pay your wages suffer while someone else sorts it out.

Dublin Bus are willing to discuss the new rosters again as soon as the employees involved return to work. Under the circumstances, that seems like a very generous offer.

It's one that BWAG should accept right away -- and stop making the hard-pressed commuters of this city paying for these renegade drivers' little hissy fit

Harristown provides the most unreliable services in the city and should aspire to Donnybrook for excellent customer service on the 46a, whilst poor still exists on the 40 and Finglas routes from the Finglas garage, for instance, those people from Tyrellstown, part of North Finglas, are having a lot of wastage on their routes, as put in the recent efficency report.

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jaybird wrote: »

You need to understand that there are strict rules about what the driver can do, and if he breaks them, he will be in a lot of trouble.

Yep, I know that, I am not once here calling for drivers to put anyones health and sagety, or their jobs, at risk. Not once have I done that.

jaybird wrote: »

can we assume that you think your driver should risk getting fired to have a little chat with you about the stops?

Nope, but I do want to be told if you expected journey is going to change.

jaybird wrote: »

Oh and in case anyone is interested in the actual issue at all, the drivers offered to go back to work this afternoon, with spare (junior) drivers doing the new bill while its agrees, and management turned them down. I'm sure you can make that the drivers fault as well though.

That's a pretty big obstacle, the "marked in" drivers working one bill, the spares working another?

How do they think that would work?

thebman

jaybird wrote: »

As for some of the other complaints. If you talk to the driver while the bus is moving, and he talks back, even to tell you he can't talk to you, he can be disciplined. There are plain clothes inspectors roaming the buses to watch them, as well as a camera pointed at the driver. In order to speak to you, he has to pull over in a safe place, but then you would complain that he is stopping and you'll be late.

TBH I would never talk to a driver when the bus is moving anyway.

It would distract him/her. I'd rather wait until the bus stopped. Anyway isn't there a line the passenger shouldn't be crossing when the bus is moving.

Dublin_Gunner

Hmm, something tells me that 'Sensible User' may well be affiliated with DB management somehow - although what this user states may not be out of the bounds of possibility, it seems a little strange.

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thebman wrote: »

It would distract him/her. I'd rather wait until the bus stopped. Anyway isn't there a line the passenger shouldn't be crossing when the bus is moving.

The drivers crossed a line they shouldn't have on Sunday, imo.

dub_commuter

Sensible_User wrote: »

This disruption is due to unofficial Industrial action by drivers at Harristown depot following the introduction of service changes which were agreed and accepted following a Labour Court Recommendation.

Unfortunately due to the fact that one driver who is out to promote a socialist party agenda went on strike we now have the whole city being effected by ILLEGAL wildcat strikes.

Dublin Bus Drivers agreed to this method and agreements and anybody who disputes this should review the document on the LRC site which says any disputes should be dealt with later.

Dublin Bus is a world class transport company and the management of the company have led a highly worldwide appreciated group of companies to providiung a proper public service ahead of raking in massive profits such as the companies in the UK.

The roster changes that are causing all this fuss were fully agreed at the Labour Court earlier this month. Under normal circumstances, that should have been the end of the matter. Drivers have hidden agendas related to the socialist party and the BWAG.

BWAG have gone back to the bad old trade union rulebook of the 1970s -- throw the toys out of your pram when you don't get what you want and let the people who pay your wages suffer while someone else sorts it out.

Dublin Bus are willing to discuss the new rosters again as soon as the employees involved return to work. Under the circumstances, that seems like a very generous offer.

It's one that BWAG should accept right away -- and stop making the hard-pressed commuters of this city paying for these renegade drivers' little hissy fit

Harristown provides the most unreliable services in the city and should aspire to Donnybrook for excellent customer service on the 46a, whilst poor still exists on the 40 and Finglas routes from the Finglas garage, for instance, those people from Tyrellstown, part of North Finglas, are having a lot of wastage on their routes, as put in the recent efficency report.

I've seen some stupid posts today but this one really takes the biscuit

1) This has nothing to do with the socialist party or any political agenda
2) Yes, the LRC document has been followed but management promised that the usual AGREED PROCEDURE would be followed
3) Don't make me laugh about a world class transport company
4) This is not related to the bus workers action group
5) No, The generous offer was to operate the old bill to the new one was not ageed.
6) Tyrrelstown IS NOT in Finglas, get out a map you tool.
7) To be honest I find Harristown far better than Donnybrook, but horses for courses.

angel01

Sensible_User wrote: »

HERE ARE THE FACTS OF THE MATTER

This disruption is due to unofficial Industrial action by drivers at Harristown depot following the introduction of service changes which were agreed and accepted following a Labour Court Recommendation.

Unfortunately due to the fact that one driver who is out to promote a socialist party agenda went on strike we now have the whole city being effected by ILLEGAL wildcat strikes.

Dublin Bus Drivers agreed to this method and agreements and anybody who disputes this should review the document on the LRC site which says any disputes should be dealt with later.

Dublin Bus is a world class transport company and the management of the company have led a highly worldwide appreciated group of companies to providiung a proper public service ahead of raking in massive profits such as the companies in the UK.

The roster changes that are causing all this fuss were fully agreed at the Labour Court earlier this month. Under normal circumstances, that should have been the end of the matter. Drivers have hidden agendas related to the socialist party and the BWAG.

BWAG have gone back to the bad old trade union rulebook of the 1970s -- throw the toys out of your pram when you don't get what you want and let the people who pay your wages suffer while someone else sorts it out.

Dublin Bus are willing to discuss the new rosters again as soon as the employees involved return to work. Under the circumstances, that seems like a very generous offer.

It's one that BWAG should accept right away -- and stop making the hard-pressed commuters of this city paying for these renegade drivers' little hissy fit

Harristown provides the most unreliable services in the city and should aspire to Donnybrook for excellent customer service on the 46a, whilst poor still exists on the 40 and Finglas routes from the Finglas garage, for instance, those people from Tyrellstown, part of North Finglas, are having a lot of wastage on their routes, as put in the recent efficency report.

Sorry I had to laugh at your post. Classic Thanks for the laugh you gave me this afternoon! Dublin Bus + world class somehow don't go together and when has Tyrrelstown ever been part of North Finglas? You are aware that they have different postcodes :D

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Sensible_User wrote: »

Dublin Bus is a world class transport company

:D:D

I love it.

Sensible_User

The 40D is from Finglas to City Centre, there for Tyrellstown is Finglas, do keep up dears. I hardly think that the Dublin Website is wrong.

I'm just a commuter. What do you want, like in Glasgow where First are providing shocking service to their commuters or Aircoach are in Dublin where they constanly swear, drive like madmen and rubbish the competition.

angel01

Sensible_User wrote: »

The 40D is from Finglas to City Centre, there for Tyrellstown is Finglas, do keep up dears. I hardly think that the Dublin Website is wrong.

I'm just a commuter. What do you want, like in Glasgow where First are providing shocking service to their commuters or Aircoach are in Dublin where they constanly swear, drive like madmen and rubbish the competition.

Oh of course the Dublin Website is always right isn't it... you should really be better at trolling!

dub_commuter

Does anyone smell a management shill?

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Sensible_User wrote: »

like in Glasgow where First are providing shocking service

Do keep up, Glasgow is not in Ireland, as much as some football fans like to think it is.

panda100

Just got a text from one of the drivers involved in the strike and apparently its now over.

Coverage in the Evening Herald today of the striking drivers is absolute absurd, sensationalist nonsense.

Dyr

Des wrote: »

:D:D

I love it.

Dublin Bus is one of the finest transport companies in all of O'Connell Street /apres match

Sensible_User

Yes, but all you guys calling for a private service, YOU WILL BE SORRY. You will get a awful service like those in Scotland with their awful rail service, awful bus service.

PUBLIC TRANSPORT IS RUN BY DUBLIN BUS FOR THE PEOPLE.
PRVIATE TRANSPORT FOR SHAREHOLDERS.