The Model Agent

Snowie

Dudess wrote: »

Darn right - it's the sound engineer/sound equipment, not the horrible accent!

cork female accents can be quite attractive at times


I don't know why

GirlInterrupted

Wibbs wrote: »

.....Maybe the cookery pron shows are also to blame.:D

Grrr. This really gets to me. Its not cooking meals thats responsible for much of the obesity around us, its eating convenience food thats high in trans and saturated fats, and of course fast food and take-aways.

My mother has been a food writer for an Italian magazine for many years and almost all of the recipies she's tested and devised over the years have been considerably healthier than a Big Mac.

Its a lack of cooking will and skills thats a big contributer to the obesity epidemic, as well as pressure of time.

I know Nigella advocates fairly high fat and rich recipies, but for the most part the better a person is in the kitchen, the healthier their diet will be.

Stheno

GirlInterrupted wrote: »

Grrr. This really gets to me. Its not cooking meals thats responsible for much of the obesity around us, its eating convenience food thats high in trans and saturated fats, and of course fast food and take-aways.

There is also portion control imo, some meals now are enormous.

I know Nigella advocates fairly high fat and rich recipies, but for the most part the better a person is in the kitchen, the healthier their diet will be.

I watched Nigella last night for the first time ever, I was a bit amazed at how much fat/richness was in her cooking. Now I'd not be averse to using oils/fats/preparing rich food, but it was an endless stream on the show I watched.

Snowie

GirlInterrupted wrote: »

Grrr. This really gets to me. Its not cooking meals thats responsible for much of the obesity around us, its eating convenience food thats high in trans and saturated fats, and of course fast food and take-aways.

My mother has been a food writer for an Italian magazine for many years and almost all of the recipies she's tested and devised over the years have been considerably healthier than a Big Mac.

Its a lack of cooking will and skills thats a big contributer to the obesity epidemic, as well as pressure of time.

I know Nigella advocates fairly high fat and rich recipies, but for the most part the better a person is in the kitchen, the healthier their diet will be.

Your forgetting, Confidence i watch people cook a lot there nervous edgy and dont really know what there doing... Espechilly when it comes to "new things" like butter nut squash there like what would you do with that , it tends to be more a case that irish people arnt that well educated when it comes to food and tend to eat the same old things because they no how to do it....Not because its conveint and are affraid of cooking finer food because they dont want to mess up a dinner because then they have to start from scratch...

Dudess

nouggatti wrote: »

There is also portion control imo, some meals now are enormous.




I watched Nigella last night for the first time ever, I was a bit amazed at how much fat/richness was in her cooking. Now I'd not be averse to using oils/fats/preparing rich food, but it was an endless stream on the show I watched.

Yeah, I agree - good quality sauces, pastries etc may not be as processed as the stuff you get in McDonalds, but they're equally as fattening. I remember my friend cooked a dessert using a recipe from a Rachel Allen book - it was divine but probably about 500 calories a slice :eek:
My friend said she used more butter, sugar and cream for that dish than she thought possible.

Snowie

nouggatti wrote: »

There is also portion control imo, some meals now are enormous.




I watched Nigella last night for the first time ever, I was a bit amazed at how much fat/richness was in her cooking. Now I'd not be averse to using oils/fats/preparing rich food, but it was an endless stream on the show I watched.

very tur i can walk in to a cafe in the old town i lived in and get a large breakfast that included chips 2 eggs 8 suages 8 rasher 2 white puding 2 black pudding 2 hash browns beens and mushrooms...... i could never eat it...


well thats because nigella is for how i would say a glutiniss pig but shes still so dreamy

GirlInterrupted

nouggatti wrote: »

There is also portion control imo, some meals now are enormous.

I watched Nigella last night for the first time ever, I was a bit amazed at how much fat/richness was in her cooking. Now I'd not be averse to using oils/fats/preparing rich food, but it was an endless stream on the show I watched.

Nigella is a person apart, she's all about the indulgence.

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

Your forgetting, Confidence i watch people cook a lot there nervous edgy and dont really know what there doing...

No, thats what I mean by skills in the kitchen, the know-how and confidence to cook from scratch.

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah, I agree - good quality sauces, pastries etc may not be as processed as the stuff you get in McDonalds, but they're equally as fattening. I remember my friend cooked a dessert using a recipe from a Rachel Allen book - it was divine but probably about 500 calories a slice :eek:
My friend said she used more butter, sugar and cream for that dish than she thought possible.

No doubt most dessert recipies are high calorie, but the ability to cook is the ability to eat well.

You can eat too much calorific home cooking as well as fast food, but if you learn how to cook the chances are that you can assemble healthier meals than the convenience section, ready meals, and take-aways can offer.

Wibbs

GirlInterrupted wrote: »

Grrr. This really gets to me. Its not cooking meals thats responsible for much of the obesity around us, its eating convenience food thats high in trans and saturated fats, and of course fast food and take-aways.

Oh no I agree. It just seems we have more of an obsession with food, than we did when say I was a kid. It's more of a recreational thing now and I was making a joke that maybe the cooking shows were to blame. Shít all I remember as a kid was Delia smith. That was pretty much it. Even the design of houses in the last 30 odd years reflects that. Look at a 50's irish house. Tiny kitchen. Look at a 90's irish house, the kitchen is often the biggest room.

My mother has been a food writer for an Italian magazine for many years and almost all of the recipies she's tested and devised over the years have been considerably healthier than a Big Mac.

I agree, though in of itself a big mac is actually not that unhealthy on it's own. The bucket of coke(diet or not) that washes it down is worse. Italian food and latin food in general is very good. Lots of fish, veg, fruit, complex carbs etc. The problem is that most seem to think takeaway pizza and stodgy spag boll is where it begins and ends.

Its a lack of cooking will and skills thats a big contributer to the obesity epidemic, as well as pressure of time.

+1 I agree again. Most have no clue what food has what amount of fat in it etc. Though IMHO fat is not the issue. Stodgy carbs are more the problem. Then as nouggatti said, portion sizes. I've been offered grub in some peoples houses and I didn't know whether to eat it or scale it and plant a flag on the top. You could have fed an Uzbeck family for a week and two of their yaks on the contents of one plate.

I know Nigella advocates fairly high fat and rich recipies, but for the most part the better a person is in the kitchen, the healthier their diet will be.

She's not the only one that goes down that route either. Gary rhodes' recipes are often heart attacks on a plate. Great as once a month restaurant food, but not as a daily thing.

Stheno

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

Your forgetting, Confidence i watch people cook a lot there nervous edgy and dont really know what there doing... Espechilly when it comes to "new things" like butter nut squash there like what would you do with that , it tends to be more a case that irish people arnt that well educated when it comes to food and tend to eat the same old things because they no how to do it....Not because its conveint and are affraid of cooking finer food because they dont want to mess up a dinner because then they have to start from scratch...

Good point, never would have thought of that at all tbh

I've a couple of friends who eat dinner with me occasionally, who are constantly amazed that one can cook a decent meal from scratch with no more than a half hours prep and cooking time they just percieve that something like oven roasted veg must take ages and is very finicky altogether

GirlInterrupted wrote: »

Nigella is a person apart, she's all about the indulgence.

No, thats what I mean by skills in the kitchen, the know-how and confidence to cook from scratch.

No doubt most dessert recipies are high calorie, but the ability to cook is the ability to eat well.

You can eat too much calorific home cooking as well as fast food, but if you learn how to cook the chances are that you can assemble healthier meals than the convenience section, ready meals, and take-aways can offer.

Ah I get the indulgence, but imagine learning to cook from a Nigella book

Snowie

GirlInterrupted wrote: »

No, thats what I mean by skills in the kitchen, the know-how and confidence to cook from scratch.

Apolgies I misunderstood you
but at times the interest isnt there.... to which is a shame as a food lover....
Look at the negitive name fish has !! perfect example...1 out of every 4 will go ewww to fish

why ? like fishis the most sexual food in the world... yet they knock it down

Stheno

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh no I agree. It just seems we have more of an obsession with food, than we did when say I was a kid. It's more of a recreational thing now and I was making a joke that maybe the cooking shows were to blame. Shít all I remember as a kid was Delia smith. .

I learned to cook using Delia books a few years ago :P

I've been offered grub in some peoples houses and I didn't know whether to eat it or scale it and plant a flag on the top. You could have fed an Uzbeck family for a week and two of their yaks on the contents of one plate.

LOL

GirlInterrupted

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

Apolgies I misunderstood you
but at times the interest isnt there.... to which is a shame as a food lover....
Look at the negitive name fish has !! perfect example...1 out of every 4 will go ewww to fish

why ? like fishis the most sexual food in the world... yet they knock it down

Scallopini alla funghi, pasta puttanesca, calamari Neopolitana...sensual experiences on a plate.

Most will stretch as far as battered cod and tinned tuna, but you're right in that fish is overlooked.

Although, I do think its beginning to change.:)

Stheno

GirlInterrupted wrote: »

Scallopini alla funghi, pasta puttanesca, calamari Neopolitana...sensual experiences on a plate.

Most will stretch as far as battered cod and tinned tuna, but you're right in that fish is overlooked.

Although, I do think its beginning to change.:)

Try finding a decent fishmonger if you live anywhere outside Dublin (dunno about Cork/Limerick/Galway etc)

I spent a most dreamy hour or too recently in Howth wandering through the fishmongers/food shops along the side of the harbour, it was really great to see the selection of fish that was available.

GirlInterrupted

nouggatti wrote: »

Try finding a decent fishmonger if you live anywhere outside Dublin (dunno about Cork/Limerick/Galway etc)

I spent a most dreamy hour or too recently in Howth wandering through the fishmongers/food shops along the side of the harbour, it was really great to see the selection of fish that was available.

Whenever I drive from Wicklow to Dublin I make a detour to a place in Greystones that specialises in both fish and game. Its hard to find decent suppliers, especially if you're a bit of a foodie!:)

Snowie

nouggatti wrote: »

Good point, never would have thought of that at all tbh

I've a couple of friends who eat dinner with me occasionally, who are constantly amazed that one can cook a decent meal from scratch with no more than a half hours prep and cooking time they just percieve that something like oven roasted veg must take ages and is very finicky altogether



Ah I get the indulgence, but imagine learning to cook from a Nigella book

perfect example.... because they see food as a feeding and less of enjoyment/pleasure...

there ignorant to it because they don't understand whats going on the food all they taste is for instance the spice they dont understand the way flavors cut either do i unless Im eating ..

but also it taking an interest any one who apricates food has an experience that braught them to love food for me i cant really remember but everyones got that moment from where food went from substanince to pleasure...and again educating ones self...
I dunno how many times Ive cooked for a girl and watched her eyes role to the top of her head and all she's experiencing is pure pleasure...:D

GirlInterrupted

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

perfect example.... because they see food as a feeding and less of enjoyment/pleasure...

The food culture in my family home was about food for life, not food to feel full. My ethnic background has traditions that revolve around large family gatherings involving food, and the enjoyment of food.

Lots of people eat to live or live to eat, but I think food is one of the most simple and complicated pleasures in life, especially when its shared.

Even with that background though, not a single person in my very large extended family (bar one, and not on the Italian side) is overweight.

Acacia

shellyboo wrote: »

That's how warped our perceptions are, that we see these sorts of women (all plus size models) as fat, when they're absolutely not. Our views are so, so perverted by the industry; by the models, and not even the models - the airbrushing they do TO the models that we actually have no idea what is real anymore.

I agree it's very dangerous that women that size are perceived as fat, or bigger than 'average'.

I think there's a special part of hell reserved for that wench Janice Dickinson- she's forever telling girls (quite slim, healthy girls) that they are over-weight, need to drop a few pounds and so on.

She had 'plus-size' models on her 'Model Agency' show but only because she was under pressure to , it seems.

"The average woman in America is not a sample size but models shouldn't be average or then there would be no point to having a modeling industry."

Modeling is a world of unrealistic expectations where everyone is a size zero naturally and 8k is a normal price for a great dress." Dickinson reveals.

I will say they have read up on me more than the rest of these kids but what are you gonna say? 'I'm honored you think so highly of me, but honey you're only in because we are in California. In Paris, you would be out in a heartbeat.'

From this article---> http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/news/article_1436241.php/Janice_Dickinson_gives_big-bottomed_girls_a_reality_check

Snowie

GirlInterrupted wrote: »

Scallopini alla funghi, pasta puttanesca, calamari Neopolitana...sensual experiences on a plate.

Most will stretch as far as battered cod and tinned tuna, but you're right in that fish is overlooked.

Although, I do think its beginning to change.:)

what happend to fish pie ?

they do sound loely ive never had them but il trust you that there good....
exactly why because the fish they buy 9 times out of 10 is merde .... and farmed crap and poeople cant tell the difference...

I would agree a lot stil a long way to go....tho

nouggatti wrote: »

Try finding a decent fishmonger if you live anywhere outside Dublin (dunno about Cork/Limerick/Galway etc)

I spent a most dreamy hour or too recently in Howth wandering through the fishmongers/food shops along the side of the harbour, it was really great to see the selection of fish that was available.

cork youve got to go to old market and there is a huge ,fish market in castle town bare i beleave worth a visit love going to the peers to bye my fish direct, well when im buying a lot..

try shark .... :cool:...

GirlInterrupted wrote: »

Whenever I drive from Wicklow to Dublin I make a detour to a place in Greystones that specialises in both fish and game. Its hard to find decent suppliers, especially if you're a bit of a foodie!:)

feel free to send me a lovely pm with the address..

Snowie

GirlInterrupted wrote: »

The food culture in my family home was about food for life, not food to feel full. My ethnic background has traditions that revolve around large family gatherings involving food, and the enjoyment of food.

Lots of people eat to live or live to eat, but I think food is one of the most simple and complicated pleasures in life, especially when its shared.

Even with that background though, not a single person in my very large extended family (bar one, and not on the Italian side) is overweight.

that's a European family life style more so Italian French Greek Turkish romanin Spanish and portugease.. and it rocks compared to our Irish way's....

Ive experienced it a few times where family friends have all come together and had a big meal out side in the sun and it rocks a truly enjoyable way to experience food but thats the back ground your from Ive been lucky enough to experience it in a way.. through fammilly friends... Ive got two in my familly its just the way it is...

take olives how many people wont eat them, i eat them bye the bucket load because there yum, most people gooo ewwwww olives its pure ignorence in some cases, and just ohh im not trying that and its pretty anoying

Stheno

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

what happend to fish pie ?

try shark .... :cool:...

I love fish pie (unless there is smoked haddock in it) and chowder YUM!

I've had shark a couple of times, prefer tuna

You've reminded me I need to get chicken livers and ham shanks

TriceMarie

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

I dunno how many times Ive cooked for a girl and watched her eyes role to the top of her head and all she's experiencing is pure pleasure...:D

:cool: duuuuurty!!!!:p:p:p:D;) bahaha

Snowie

nouggatti wrote: »

I love fish pie (unless there is smoked haddock in it) and chowder YUM!

I've had shark a couple of times, prefer tuna

You've reminded me I need to get chicken livers and ham shanks

Well it has to be cooked right tho

nah tunass crap compared to shark if its cooked right trust me ....
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww suit you :P

Snowie

TriceMarie wrote: »

:cool: duuuuurty!!!!:p:p:p:D;) bahaha

Oh good we got another sick demented pervert welcome

Wibbs

The lack of fish in cooking in Ireland is a strange and daft one given we're surrounded by fecund seas. *Mad wibbs theory alert* I think the church has something to do with it as a cultural thing(not church bashing here BTW). Fish was had on friday, almost as a penance because you couldn't eat meat. I think that has been passed down to us. It's not "proper" meat kinda thing.

Acacia wrote:

I agree it's very dangerous that women that size are perceived as fat, or bigger than 'average'.

I think there's a special part of hell reserved for that wench Janice Dickinson- she's forever telling girls (quite slim, healthy girls) that they are over-weight, need to drop a few pounds and so on.

Nature of that daft business though. Until it's more owned by women themselves and not gay lads and women in thrall to the "ideal" I suspect it will remain the same. Few straight men would come out with that stuff. It's nothing against gay lads either, it's just it makes little sense to have them as arbiters of feminine beauty as a general rule. I mean I'm not going to trust a lesbian lassie on what's attractive in a man and then have her design clothing and sizes as the ideal based on that. It's pretty much always going to be second hand info, no matter how skillful and talented she may be.

liah

Just throwing this out here;

Fashion actually has incredibly little to do with beauty. It's like an art exhibit to these people. It's not necessarily about looking good (look at haute couture!), it's about expressing yourself as a designer. Their clothes are their medium. Models do generally have either beautiful or incredibly strange and interesting faces, yes, because nobody wants to look at average people, they want to look at something new and different to the everday, but their bodies are such a way that they show off best the clothes.

It's nothing to do with sexiness-- depending on the designer, of course-- but solely the clothes as an art form, and not necessarily a functional item. Unless it's ready-to-wear, but ready-to-wear is almost always derived from a previous artistic expression.

I don't agree with the weight. I don't think it looks good, it's detrimental to the models themselves, and gives a negative image to misguided girls who think modelling (at least in the catwalk sense) is about beauty over fashion, which it's not.

Magazine girls tend to be a little more filled out and fit, and imo they're not that bad. It's mostly just catwalk where the girls are horribly thin. There's usually a big difference between, say, a run of the mill catwalk model and a Victoria's Secret model or swimsuit model. The Victoria's Secret and swimsuit models can do catwalk, but the average catwalk girls will never do Victoria's Secret or swimsuit, their bodytype is just not visually appealing for those mediums.

Attaching pics to show the difference between fashion as an art and fashion as a function, and the difference in body types;

Fashion:


Swimsuit/Lingerie/What's Supposed to Look Good:



Notice a difference?

Stheno

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

Well it has to be cooked right tho

nah tunass crap compared to shark if its cooked right trust me ....

Interesting I've only eaten shark in restaurants, and had tuna at home, so you've a point!

Wibbs wrote: »

The lack of fish in cooking in Ireland is a strange and daft one given we're surrounded by fecund seas. *Mad wibbs theory alert* I think the church has something to do with it as a cultural thing(not church bashing here BTW). Fish was had on friday, almost as a penance because you couldn't eat meat. I think that has been passed down to us. It's not "proper" meat kinda thing.

+1 on this absolutely, seems to be something "wrong" with having a fish based meal instead of meat, yet we are encouraged to eat fish min twice a week!

Snowie

nouggatti wrote: »

Interesting I've only eaten shark in restaurants, and had tuna at home, so you've a point!




+1 on this absolutely, seems to be something "wrong" with having a fish based meal instead of meat, yet we are encouraged to eat fish min twice a week!

I think its how shark is cooked what it marinade in what the chefs style is how good he is with keeping a good conssistancy with the flavours trouble with a lot ofg irish chefs is that there ****ing **** and the proof bye that is Gorden ramseys hotel it got a spankingly bad rating but he doesnt work there....


thast becasue people see it as disgusting ans asociate smells with it


*shakes head*

panda100

nouggatti wrote: »

Try finding a decent fishmonger if you live anywhere outside Dublin (dunno about Cork/Limerick/Galway etc)
.

I lived in Limerick for years and there was lots of quality fishmongers to choose from. I cant find one in Dublin city centre. The only place I can think of is Moore street and they rarely have nice Salmon.

I know its slightly off topic but If anyone knows of any fish shops in Dublin city it would be much appreciated!

Wibbs

Howth apparently, though a supervalu close to me usually has good fish so maybe there is somewhere closer than you think? Now get back on topic!

Rayne

Wibbs wrote: »

Now get back on topic!

I just watched the whole episode of The Model Agent expecting it to be about fish or cooking....