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I am paying more for somebodys public sector pension than my own Private pension
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I can play too
How many IT managers in Ireland?Many of the 1,800,000 people in the private sector get bonuses, some a significant % of their base salary
many are IT managers
How do you know?the vast, vast majority of the 1,800,000 still have a job and many have not taken any pay cut
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I seen a speaking crow in Dublin ZooBS
. A LOT of workers receive bonuses
You don't have to be an IT worker to get a bonus. I got bonuses working in engineering, I even got a couple of bonuses while I was on the building!
From your logic, I can assume that all crows can speakI haven't looked into cost of living in these countries but I can see they ARE cheaper if you want to buy a car!:)
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10006812.shtml
Petrol in Finland is 30% more expensive
http://www.aaroadwatch.ie/eupetrolprices/
10% of private secor workforce now don't have any work nowI knew I would get the standard '1.8 million people answer'
The fact is Jimmmy that most workers do get bonuses, most of that 1.8 million are still working and most of that 1.8 million have not had to take a pay cut.
How PS workers have been made redundant recently?0 -
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Count Dooku wrote: »ie. Irish public workers are the most privileged part of society. They can have real socialism with any government. Nice salaries, secure jobs, good pensions, they can even do nothing and taxpayers will have to pay them money anyway.:D:D:D are you 12?
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Count Dooku wrote: »Finland is not cheaper...
Good link
Why is so big difference between office administrator in public sector and office administrator in private sector?
OOPS! You left the graph out that shows that salary doubles for someone with 20 years experience:D(conveniently)0 -
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proof please ? I gave you c.s.o. statistics to back up my claims.
Do not forget many people in private sector work in shops, restaurants, hotels, factories, farms, workshops etc......and most do not get the public service average of 966 p.w. plus perks.
I've posted links (More than you have):) much more!
Your replies consist of
1.8M people...... Blah! Blah! Blah!:
I heard it on the radio.... Blah! Blah! Blah!
You can go to OZ and have a week in a 5 star hotel....Blah! Blah! Blah!
Hardly concrete facts Jimmmy!
If you look over the 35 pages ( Dear God, Has it been that long?:p) of this thread there is a definite pattern of firstly, you post one of the above or similar. Its discussed until you lose the argument and then you post another of your ridiculous sweeping generalisations to provoke a reaction:D:D
Then its repeated ad nauseum:):)
I'm sorry but the same posts are constantly regurgitated again and again!
Classic comedy ....:D:D:D Its at the stage now where it isn't ignorant and insulting any more ...Its Very Very funny!:D:D
BTW most of these people working the entry level jobs in shops etc. don't get paid €966 per week. I'm pretty sure of that, but how many of these would be lets say......Over 21?.....or have years and years of experience which someone (Whoever they are:rolleyes: )on €966 per week in the public sector would have?. It takes years to get up the payscales. :rolleyes:
Have a day off Jimmmy will ye! talk sense!0 -
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No some members of the private sector get bonuses - we've yet to establish how much. As I've said previously I got one based on merit in the last three years and I know plenty who got nothing (and they're in skilled professional jobs) and who are talented.The private sector get bonuses! END OF!:rolleyes:
Again in all of this we need to compare like-with-like. Aggregate statistics tell us nothing - and both sides have been guilty of that.
So, FWIW, I've said it before: My job is equivalent to that of an EO. If I was an EO I'd be on less than I am now, and that's before the pension levy. I get more paid nights out and a few other benefits (VHI, for example) that I wouldn't get in the CS. I'm also more likely to be recognised for the merit of my work than just length of employment.
On the other hand, I've to work longer hours, don't have flexi-time, have less holidays, and less job security and, of course, don't have the infamous diamond-plated pension (upgraded from gold just for jimmy
). It's also tougher to get by - the targets are tougher than they would be with PMDS (I've seen PMDS targets to compare them with). I'd have more accountability here - that can be a mixed blessing.
Does it balance out? I dunno - tough call. I never rolled in the cash, never really saw that infamous tiger, but I got by fine. There's many aspects I wouldn't like about having to work in the CS still. Long term - we'll see.0 -
No some members of the private sector get bonuses - we've yet to establish how much. As I've said previously I got one based on merit in the last three years and I know plenty who got nothing (and they're in skilled professional jobs) and who are talented.
Again in all of this we need to compare like-with-like. Aggregate statistics tell us nothing - and both sides have been guilty of that.
So, FWIW, I've said it before: My job is equivalent to that of an EO. If I was an EO I'd be on less than I am now, and that's before the pension levy. I get more paid nights out and a few other benefits (VHI, for example) that I wouldn't get in the CS. I'm also more likely to be recognised for the merit of my work than just length of employment.
On the other hand, I've to work longer hours, don't have flexi-time, have less holidays, and less job security and, of course, don't have the infamous diamond-plated pension (upgraded from gold just for jimmy). It's also tougher to get by - the targets are tougher than they would be with PMDS (I've seen PMDS targets to compare them with). I'd have more accountability here - that can be a mixed blessing.
Does it balance out? I dunno - tough call. I never rolled in the cash, never really saw that infamous tiger, but I got by fine. There's many aspects I wouldn't like about having to work in the CS still. Long term - we'll see.
You can't seriously compare a few free nights out with job security for life?.. not to mention the fantastic CS pension which equates to approx 20% of salary in contributions also paid by the the wealth creators..
Of course every job has it's pro's and con's, but here we are not simply talking small differences in employment terms but fundamental human rights issues where there is effectively a "class" differential between both sides.
The lingo of the CS with their "Privilaged Days" holidays demonstrates this notion of them as a privilaged class granted immunity from the harsh realities of redundancy, dole, exposure to poverty etc by politicians who the CS "look after".. sound familiar? WE LOOK AFTER YOU AND YOU LOOK AFTER US... Well now it's over!!
Ireland is in a crisis and it's ALL hands on deck.. If your'e not up to that call then you can jump over board now, get a grip man.0 -
You can't seriously compare a few free nights out with job security for life?.. not to mention the fantastic CS pension which equates to approx 20% of salary in contributions also paid by the the wealth creators..
Of course every job has it's pro's and con's, but here we are not simply talking small differences in employment terms but fundamental human rights issues where there is effectively a "class" differential between both sides.
The lingo of the CS with their "Privilaged Days" holidays demonstrates this notion of them as a privilaged class granted immunity from the harsh realities of redundancy, dole, exposure to poverty etc by politicians who the CS "look after".. sound familiar? WE LOOK AFTER YOU AND YOU LOOK AFTER US... Well now it's over!!
Ireland is in a crisis and it's ALL hands on deck.. If your'e not up to that call then you can jump over board now, get a grip man.
Privilaged Days (sic) have been discussed earlier in the thread. Just a posh word for annual leave! Boring!:rolleyes:
"not to mention the fantastic CS pension which equates to approx 20% of salary in contributions also paid by the the wealth creators.."
Groan!
This has been discussed over and over in the thread. I think its been determined that PRSI (6.5%), plus pension contribution (6.5%), plus pension levy(3%-10%) covers the pension these days.
Got anything new to contribute?:)0 -
Privilaged Days (sic) have been discussed earlier in the thread. Just a posh word for annual leave! Boring!:rolleyes:
"not to mention the fantastic CS pension which equates to approx 20% of salary in contributions also paid by the the wealth creators.."
Groan!This has been discussed over and over in the thread. I think its been determined that PRSI (6.5%), plus pension contribution (6.5%), plus pension levy(3%-10%) covers the pension these days.
Got anything new to contribute?:)
Yes, am still awaiting your response to:
Originally Posted by grahamo
The only ones whingeing are you and Jimmmy
Nobody on here complains or moans about private sector
Why do you think nobody here complains about the private sector?0 -
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Yes, am still awaiting your response to:
Originally Posted by grahamo
The only ones whingeing are you and Jimmmy Nobody on here complains or moans about private sector
Why do you think nobody here complains about the private sector?
Let me guess... you are either related to Jimmmy or his clone?
OR... you work for Jimmmy and continue the public sector bashing by taking the night shift for him?
Not trying to be insulting or anything, big apology if I have, but it just seems so....coincidental, y'know? You and Jimmmy sound so alike, it is kind of strange to find two people who are so harmonious in thought and approach to the subject. I suppose it will make the 'debate' become double the fun now. Please don't fall into the same pattern as Jimmmy though (repeat, rehash, repeat, rehash, etc, etc). Have fun!:)
Before I forget:
One of the main reasons that no-one complains about the private sector is because everyone got tired of it during the 'Rip-off Ireland' era... After all everyone (public and private sectors) got shafted in some fashion during the alleged good years probably and continue to do so to a certain extent i.e. Private Sector banking. But, hey, I'm just generalising here!:D:D:D0 -
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The private sector get bonuses! END OF!:rolleyes:
Only for small cars with big engines, because they pay for weight of car + fixed sumI bet the car tax etc is cheaper!
http://www.environment.fi/download.asp?contentid=85625&lan=en
But Irish public servants, working for green goverment, must be proud to drive cars wih small engines
Do you think that unemployment will freeze on 10%? Redundancies only started.90% do have work.
there are a significant number of people in the public sector who are on contracts (More than 10%). Not only will these contract staff lose their jobs (No redundancy either) over the next few months but they are also paying a pension levy even though they will never get a public sector pension.
Do some research!:D
Second, do you think that it is fair to fire young people on contracts and leave fat clerks from CPSU employed forever?0 -
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Count Dooku wrote: »I can play too
How many IT managers in Ireland?
How do you know?
Do you have link?
I think you you missed my point or forgot you are on the jimmy thread....no need for stats or proof...0 -
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Yes, am still awaiting your response to:
Originally Posted by grahamo
The only ones whingeing are you and Jimmmy Nobody on here complains or moans about private sector
Why do you think nobody here complains about the private sector?
The thread about privelege days is here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055537042&highlight=privelege+day
Civil service (Not all public sector get 2 privelege days a year. In the private sector they are known as floating days or company days. Its been done to death. Move on!
I can only speak for me when I say I don't moan and complain about the private sector because I don't begrudge them anything! Simple as!
Jimmmy and his minions go beyond criticism and at this stage it is just a witch hunt against anything public sector.0
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