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Mercedes 190e (classic or future classic)
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No hassle!
This is the remains of my Ford Focus after taking a strange skid on the blanch exit on the M50: http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2707054
Not sure why someone feels it is worth €1600, but best of luck to them.
Anyway, that car was neither the cheapest nor most satisfying owning experience. I'm thinking of spending some of the insc money on getting the 190e 2.6 in good fettle and using it as a daily driver. Am I mad? Do many people do it?
Light front damage me hole !!!
:D Can never understand how that guy sells so many cars, he is generally very expensive. It would surely cost two grand to put that one back on road. You will find it some change driving a 190 2.6 than a focus diesel. I know a guy who has one of these but it is on english reg, I drove it and it is a bullet , one of the fastest yokes I have driven. But if you want to drive it and it tempts you , then 15 to 20 mpg would be what you would get. The tax would also be prohibitive. I would stay with that as a dream rather than a reality !:D 0 -
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Not much difference between these two engines in complexity. The 2.6 is like 1 and 1/2 of the 2.0 with two extra cylinders. So servicing is very similar, the larger engine just needs two more spark plugs, a little more oil, etc.On the lookout for a 190e myself. Is there a lot of difference in complexity between the 2.0 versus the 2.6. I wanna use it as a daily driver doing about 6000 miles per year.
€800 per year on maintenance is a lot of money if you can do the work yourself. Otherwise, just enough (if you find a good example to start with).Must haves are rust free, fsh, and auto box with decent paint and interior. Summit smart looking. Is budgeting about 800 to 1000 quid per year maintenance realistic? Intend to replace the head unit with something bluetooth enabled.
BTW, I don't understand why would you need a full service history on a 25 year old car
. Who cares if the car had the wipers or gear oil changed 20 years ago? Recent history would be nice, but just buy on condition 
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Not much difference between these two engines in complexity. The 2.6 is like 1 and 1/2 of the 2.0 with two extra cylinders. So servicing is very similar, the larger engine just needs two more spark plugs, a little more oil, etc.On the lookout for a 190e myself. Is there a lot of difference in complexity between the 2.0 versus the 2.6. I wanna use it as a daily driver doing about 6000 miles per year.
800 per year on maintenance is a lot of money if you can do the work yourself. Otherwise, just enough (if you find a good example to start with).Must haves are rust free, fsh, and auto box with decent paint and interior. Summit smart looking. Is budgeting about 800 to 1000 quid per year maintenance realistic? Intend to replace the head unit with something bluetooth enabled.
BTW, I don't understand why would you need a full service history on a 25 year old car. Who cares if the car had the wipers or gear oil changed 20 years ago? Recent history would be nice, but just buy on condition .
That's fair enough, thanks. I'll keep ye updated.0 -
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On the lookout for a 190e myself. Is there a lot of difference in complexity between the 2.0 versus the 2.6. I wanna use it as a daily driver doing about 6000 miles per year.
Must haves are rust free, fsh, and auto box with decent paint and interior. Summit smart looking. Is budgeting about 800 to 1000 quid per year maintenance realistic? Intend to replace the head unit with something bluetooth enabled.
I've had my 1984 2.0E automatic for 7 years now and I'd say you'll easily cover annual maintenance with €800 per year, probably a lot less in fact. But only if you buy a good one to start with, and good ones are not common and not cheap. You'll see some for sale for €1000, they're VERY unlikely to be in good condition. My annual service is usually less than €200, I use Lichtenberg Classics whom I can highly recommend. I've replaced some ancillaries over the years before they're failed - alternator, wiper motor, window regulators. Good quality parts are surprisingly cheap so use them, don't buy cheap parts from GSF etc.
Mine is just back from its annual service which this time cost €600 as it included brake lines, anti-roll bar bushing and new engine mounts. Biggest bill I've ever had for it but known beforehand and mostly for parts that needed replacing due to age. Some other costs...- Full set of Michelin tyres, about €500, but these will last many years. Don't buy cheap tyres, ever!
- New battery last week, €106, previous one lasted 6 years.
- Insurance is about €150 with First Ireland, based on 2000 miles but they do higher mileage policies.
- Tax is €56 as mine is 1984
- NCT costs whatever it costs, I'm happy to pay it as I see it as a cheap safety check.
- Depreciation is zero, if you buy a good one!
If you can find a rust free one its worth getting it professionally undersealed, but only if rust free. I had mine done just after buying it and its still sound despite the best efforts of the NCT man and his rubber hammer.
I use mine as my daily driver in the winter and at weekends for the rest of the year and its never failed to start or let me down. It lives in the driveway under a cover the rest of the time (only buy a good quality cover). In city centre stop/start traffic I get early 20's MPG, probably bettered by modern cars but not by much if you compare a 2.0 petrol automatic. I bought mine in the UK with 34k miles and it now has 45k miles, all trouble free. It's extremely reliable, comfortable, and surprisingly nippy if you want it to be!
Oh, and I've just replaced the radio with a Sony unit with Bluetooth that enables hands-free calling and music streaming.
Sounds like you're looking for my car :eek:
More photos here if you want to waste a few minutes:
Mercedes 190E Photos
Photos are from a few years ago but its still the same apart from the plates are now silver on black pressed metal.
Good luck with your search and PM me or ask here if you need any more info on living with a 190E.0 -
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I've had my 1984 2.0E automatic for 7 years now and I'd say you'll easily cover annual maintenance with €800 per year, probably a lot less in fact. But only if you buy a good one to start with, and good ones are not common and not cheap. You'll see some for sale for €1000, they're VERY unlikely to be in good condition. My annual service is usually less than €200, I use Lichtenberg Classics whom I can highly recommend. I've replaced some ancillaries over the years before they're failed - alternator, wiper motor, window regulators. Good quality parts are surprisingly cheap so use them, don't buy cheap parts from GSF etc.
Mine is just back from its annual service which this time cost €600 as it included brake lines, anti-roll bar bushing and new engine mounts. Biggest bill I've ever had for it but known beforehand and mostly for parts that needed replacing due to age. Some other costs...- Full set of Michelin tyres, about €500, but these will last many years. Don't buy cheap tyres, ever!
- New battery last week, €106, previous one lasted 6 years.
- Insurance is about €150 with First Ireland, based on 2000 miles but they do higher mileage policies.
- Tax is €56 as mine is 1984
- NCT costs whatever it costs, I'm happy to pay it as I see it as a cheap safety check.
- Depreciation is zero, if you buy a good one!
If you can find a rust free one its worth getting it professionally undersealed, but only if rust free. I had mine done just after buying it and its still sound despite the best efforts of the NCT man and his rubber hammer.
I use mine as my daily driver in the winter and at weekends for the rest of the year and its never failed to start or let me down. It lives in the driveway under a cover the rest of the time (only buy a good quality cover). In city centre stop/start traffic I get early 20's MPG, probably bettered by modern cars but not by much if you compare a 2.0 petrol automatic. I bought mine in the UK with 34k miles and it now has 45k miles, all trouble free. It's extremely reliable, comfortable, and surprisingly nippy if you want it to be!
Oh, and I've just replaced the radio with a Sony unit with Bluetooth that enables hands-free calling and music streaming.
Sounds like you're looking for my car :eek:
More photos here if you want to waste a few minutes:
Mercedes 190E Photos
Photos are from a few years ago but its still the same apart from the plates are now silver on black pressed metal.
Good luck with your search and PM me or ask here if you need any more info on living with a 190E.
Great post and thanks for taking the effort. Lovely example you've got there with one of the best wheel combos apart from the Lorinsers and those available on the Evos.
My budget of £1000 maintenance is conservative, as I try to assume the worst when it comes to finances generally. I'm with you re the undersealing, when I find a rust free one that'll be one of the first jobs done. I'd also assume things like the head gasket will need doing as from my research this is a common issue on petrols b/w 100,000 and 150,000miles. I currently drive a new car that will be replaced in the next month by the 190e or at least a cheapo Yaris till I find the right car. Do many people ask you about yours? And yes, you basically have the car I want.
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Great post and thanks for taking the effort. Lovely example you've got there with one of the best wheel combos apart from the Lorinsers and those available on the Evos.
My budget of £1000 maintenance is conservative, as I try to assume the worst when it comes to finances generally. I'm with you re the undersealing, when I find a rust free one that'll be one of the first jobs done. I'd also assume things like the head gasket will need doing as from my research this is a common issue on petrols b/w 100,000 and 150,000miles. I currently drive a new car that will be replaced in the next month by the 190e or at least a cheapo Yaris till I find the right car. Do many people ask you about yours? And yes, you basically have the car I want.
Always wise to budget for the worst, they're old cars and no matter how well you choose your car some parts are going to need replacing over time, hoses perish, seals dry and harden, hinges get stiff etc. They require more regular attention than modern cars but probably less than most other models from the same era. Lots of things are DIY but anyone can be unlucky with a big bill.
I'm sure you've found mercedes-190.co.uk which is a font of useful information.
Mine came from Chesire Classic Benz and still looks and drives like a new car so it does attract a bit of attention, mostly from middle-aged men, and the Eastern European NCT testers seem particularly fond of it, so you won't be swamped by glamorous women I'm afraid 0 -
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My 190e 2.0 sportline manual wearing her working clothes a few weeks back. It is my daily driver during the summer. I bought her on eBay 3 years ago for €1400. Probably stands me €3k to date and I think I'll reach €5k by the time it is perfect.
Wonderful car to drive though. Decent poke, sharp handling and 35mpg if you take it easy.
Good man. Sweet car. Haven't seen you post on boards in ages, welcome back 0
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