UPC 120Mbps BB coming...

declans

CiaranC wrote: »

Great to see the progress made here and all that, but I cant see any practical use for a 120MB line for me at the moment.

What do you guys intend to use such a pipe for?

Well I currently use the 10 MB/1 MB as a VPN Server for family in Aus/Usa , They can then use the RTE Player unrestricted , I also have a Slingbox with Chorus Analogue which gives them about 20 channels ,

The increase in Upload Speed with only enhance their viewing

CiaranC

GigaByte wrote: »

UPC could use it to stream HD movies to their set top boxes using a system like NetFlix

Does such a service exist? They dont even have HD on their regular TV service now do they?

I know what such a pipe could do, but I cant see myself having any practical use for it at the moment.

GigaByte

CiaranC wrote: »

Does such a service exist? They dont even have HD on their regular TV service now do they?

I know what such a pipe could do, but I cant see myself having any practical use for it at the moment.

me me me, just because you can't see any use for it doesn't mean there isn't any use for it. It's called progress, if you do a search here on boards you'll find the same narrow minded people posting back in 2000 as to who would need a 5MB line.

:rolleyes:

charlie_says

_Sidhe_ wrote: »

And your reasoning for that woud be?
As has already been pointed out here, in this thread (in fact in the post that you quoted!), UPC Ireland are slightly cheaper when it comes to the 3/10/20mb packages, as apposed to UPC in Holland.

Why would the 60/120mb be 2.5 times more?!

I was taking the piss hence the smiley. I wish I could get a 120Mbit line, but alas not in a cable area.

CiaranC

GigaByte wrote: »

me me me, just because you can't see any use for it doesn't mean there isn't any use for it. It's called progress, if you do a search here on boards you'll find the same narrow minded people posting back in 2000 as to who would need a 5MB line.

:rolleyes:

NTLs initial 1.5MB/Sec line (which I was on in its initial rollout) offered massive advantages to day to day internet usage, always on connectivity, faster web browsing, fast, reliable online gaming, realistic download times for media, an OBVIOUS paradigm shift compared to 56k dial-up in 2000.

I was simply asking what practical uses such a pipe has in the residential market TODAY. If you havent got any responses other than rolleyes smilies, then dont bother replying, kthxbye.

NullZer0

The internet is changing fast and streaming (HD) media is becoming more popular.
A 120Mbps link would open up a whole lot of possibilities for small and medium businesses while reducing cost too.

Remote support, backup, replication times etc.. (I am aware that this is a consumer product... at least AFAIK but I can see them opening it up to businesses).

I think with the use of bittorrent for both legal and illegal purposes has also pushed a need for growth in the consumer ISP market. Its good to see someone recognise it.

Back in the days of 56kbps dialup we would have asked what on earth would you do with a 512k link but times have changed.

I think the major turning point is yet to come. I'd really like to see FTTH deployment although I realise how far we are away from this right now.

I'd also like to see Metroethernet deployments (not knowing much about the current infrastructure). Alot of American companies are favouring WAN over ethernet rather then the likes of an MPLS based implementation.

This is just the beginning .... but its a start!

NullZer0

squared wrote: »

Fair play to UPC, I expected an upgrade, but 120Mb is insane! On the 6Mb package at the moment, hope I'm on 20Mb by next year at no extra cost, that would be savage!

I would love that too but unfortunately we live in Ireland.
It'll be a case of we are the only ones that have this and if you want it you will pay!


Of course... I am one of the fools that will pay!:D

NullZer0

Above all though... a network is ONLY as good as its uptime.
You can be as fast as you want... but if your uptime is crap (which it was last time I was with UPC) then you have no hope.

GigaByte

CiaranC wrote: »

NTLs initial 1.5MB/Sec line (which I was on in its initial rollout) offered massive advantages to day to day internet usage, always on connectivity, faster web browsing, fast, reliable online gaming, realistic download times for media, an OBVIOUS paradigm shift compared to 56k dial-up in 2000.

I was simply asking what practical uses such a pipe has in the residential market TODAY. If you havent got any responses other than rolleyes smilies, then dont bother replying, kthxbye.

NTL didn't have an initial 1.5MB speed. That's 100% faster than what they had when they started here! And this was before Youtube and the likes. Unlike you, UPC are thinking ahead. It's what you'll need tomorrow and not today is what keeps them ahead of the competition.

Oh yeah and just incase you think it will stop there, it won't!

GigaByte

iRock wrote: »

Back in the days of 56kbps dialup we would have asked what on earth would you do with a 512k link but times have changed.

That would be CiaranC

CiaranC

GigaByte wrote: »

That would be CiaranC

I already outlined that broadband had massive, immediate, obvious advantages over 56k for messaging, faster browsing, always-on, gaming and downloading multimedia.

So are you going to tell us what use a 120MB pipe is to a residential user if its introduced in the coming year or are you just going to keep waffling?

christophicus

lads whats with all of the double/treble posting and taking shots at each other, its not needed.

Its great to see an official announcement about this ! I can't wait till its rolled out, it'll be interesting to see how they handle the upgrading process NTL have not handled it well in the past at all, I'd say they will be fully Branded as UPC by then though, so hopefully they will handle the upgrade pretty seamlessly.

NullZer0

A few important qoutes ... not referenced -

Why would people what to have computers in their homes? ... thats crazy
Why would people want to use the internet?
Why would people want an iPod, it'll never sell!

I hate to say it.. but "in the current economic climate", unified communications is growing at an unbelievable pace. I would see that as being very important and a 100mbps line would help more than alot!

CiaranC

CiaranC wrote: »

I already outlined that broadband had massive, immediate, obvious advantages over 56k for messaging, faster browsing, always-on, gaming and downloading multimedia.

So are you going to tell us what use a 120MB pipe is to a residential user if its introduced in the coming year or are you just going to keep waffling?

A huge percentage of total bandwidth usage worlwide is media-streaming, piracy and porn. If we consider that uncompressed blu-rays are 30-50gigs and porn is now widely available in high definition formats then it is obvious that the 120Mbit lines can provide both of these things to the end-user faster than before, people will move from xvid to H264, from .mp3 to .flac, from short porn clips to full length presentations, from low resolution youtube to hd youtube. From partial daily offsite system backups to entire server backups...etc etc etc.

The residential user will find endless uses for such speed.

vibe666

one word.

StreamingHDpr0n

here endeth the lesson.

seriously tho, if it's available then people will make use of it, simple as that.

just look back at the past, as people have already said.

i remember the wonders of 64k ISDN versus dialup and 128k after that, then the wonder of 512k and all the things it let me do.

as things get faster, people will find more and more to do that they couldn't before and so the whole thing will keep snowballing till we all have 100gbit fibre plugged directly into our brains waiting for neo to come and save us all from teh machines.

GigaByte

Lordy lordy lordy there's a ton of people on here who would see an immediate impact, except you CiaranC. Downloading a 10GB game from steam would be alot quicker. Incase you haven't noticed the likes of youtube adding a HD option to viewing there video content, this is because people now have higher bb speed that they can stream "HD" content.

Let me make this really simple for you! You do use email but never send large video clips or uncompressed pictures. With these kind of speeds its possible.

Lushed1

120Mb/ps. That sounds ridiculously good.

NullZer0

Don't forget the "Cloud"!

CiaranC

GigaByte wrote: »

Let me make this really simple for you! You do use email but never send large video clips or uncompressed pictures. With these kind of speeds its possible.

No it isnt. You havent a clue what you are talking about.

CiaranC

david7536 wrote: »

A huge percentage of total bandwidth usage worlwide is media-streaming, piracy and porn. If we consider that uncompressed blu-rays are 30-50gigs and porn is now widely available in high definition formats then it is obvious that the 120Mbit lines can provide both of these things to the end-user faster than before, people will move from xvid to H264, from .mp3 to .flac, from short porn clips to full length presentations, from low resolution youtube to hd youtube. From partial daily offsite system backups to entire server backups...etc etc etc.

The residential user will find endless uses for such speed.

Heres an article which puts the bandwidth requirement for streaming 1080p using H264 at 6Mbps.


http://blog.radvision.com/videooverenterprise/2008/06/24/high-definition-is-next-do-you-know-how-much-bandwidth-you-have/

Id be a moderately heavy user, and most of the time my 20Mbps connection is barely taxed. And I already do all the things youve mentioned.

christophicus

CiaranC wrote: »

Heres an article which puts the bandwidth requirement for streaming 1080p using H264 at 6Mbps.


http://blog.radvision.com/videooverenterprise/2008/06/24/high-definition-is-next-do-you-know-how-much-bandwidth-you-have/

Id be a moderately heavy user, and most of the time my 20Mbps connection is barely taxed. And I already do all the things youve mentioned.

Hmmmm so I should be able to stream 3 1080p movies at once !:eek: Sweeeeeet :cool::P

CiaranC

CiaranC wrote: »

Heres an article which puts the bandwidth requirement for streaming 1080p using H264 at 6Mbps.


http://blog.radvision.com/videooverenterprise/2008/06/24/high-definition-is-next-do-you-know-how-much-bandwidth-you-have/

Id be a moderately heavy user, and most of the time my 20Mbps connection is barely taxed. And I already do all the things youve mentioned.

Again with the only thinking of your personal circumstances.
I want to stream 1080p but my 3 housmates want to do the same at the same time. While im watching i want to dload blu-rays from hd**** at 50mBit/s and i want to backup my home server to offsite at the same time. Now tell me i should go and do it all sequentially instead! Il tell you no, and the reason being is that i dont have to because i have a 120mbit line!!
Do you at least accept my reasoning here?

CiaranC

david7536 wrote: »

Do you at least accept my reasoning here?

Of course I do! Its just a discussion

I was just curious as to how people would utilise such bandwidth, thats all.

NullZer0

CiaranC wrote: »

No it isnt. You havent a clue what you are talking about.

No?

So if I setup an email server on my lan bridging to two domains with unrestricted attachments I can't do this?

CiaranC

iRock wrote: »

No?

So if I setup an email server on my lan bridging to two domains with unrestricted attachments I can't do this?

Of course you can. Do you expect this to be the norm for end users then? Building qmail boxes or buying up exchange licences and finding domains to peer with?

We are talking about a residential broadband product. UPC arent going to drop the attachment limit on their SMTP servers, nor are any other of the large mail providers or companies a residential user might be sending mail to, for obvious reasons.

Anyway, you could do that just fine with a 20Mbps line now, couldnt you?

Koloman

GigaByte wrote: »

me me me, just because you can't see any use for it doesn't mean there isn't any use for it. It's called progress, if you do a search here on boards you'll find the same narrow minded people posting back in 2000 as to who would need a 5MB line.

:rolleyes:

Very true! It's called long term thinking! Something this country has a bad record at.

AlmightyCushion

CiaranC wrote: »

I was just curious as to how people would utilise such bandwidth, thats all.

I'd rather have the option of being able to get a 120Mbps connection and not need or want it than to need or want a 120Mbps connection and not be able to get it. Simple really. Do people really need 190 billion channels from sky? No but a lot of people decide to get them.

PixelTrawler

Im just curious to see how the other isps try and react!

On UPC again after a two year switch to smart. Have to say the "new" ntl is a better service so far then what it was, seems much more stable.

Pings generally lower, speed not dropping as much. Opted for the 10 as it was enough really (and cheaper) - free upgrade would be nice though if it was going - so long as it doesnt send the whole service on its ass if they roll out these high speeds

I'm guessing this will need new DOCSIS 3 routers?

yawnstretch

If they sell it residential I'll buy it. Love my 20mb in Galway with UPC

vibe666

just to put it into perspective, assuming you could download at full speed from somewhere (anywhere), even assuming an average of 100mbps, you could *download a...

350mb file in under 30 seconds
700mb file in less than 1 minute
a full 4.3gb dvd in less than 6 minutes
a 25gb blu-ray in 30 minutes

OR, over 1tb of data in 24 hours.

*approximately

lets see what their new FUP is on that!