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OPINION POLL - Who would you vote for?
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Pride Fighter wrote: »Why is Ireland affected worse than every other nation in this recession?
Main reason, the building boom.
Who has the power to affect planning legislation in this country?
That is right Councillors.
Of the 883 councillors in this country nearly 600 of them are from far right parties FF and FG.
FF and FG caused this economic calamity, due to shoddy planning laws and zoning. If FG were honest there 293 councillors could have blocked poor planning and construction in this country in the 5 years, they did not.
As a result I will be voting for Labour then transferring to hard left parties, the far right has led this country to oblivion, and people who think they are trendy voting for FG instead of FF, you are not trendy, you are just guilty of the gombeenism that has already led this country to ruin.
I would not worry then cause when labour gets in and brings Fine Gael on board your vote will be split between left and right
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...I stand by my chosen party through bad times as well as good.
Even though the current economic crisis in Ireland is largely due to the mistakes of Fianna Fail? Misplaced loyalty, in my opinion. It is this kind of 'loyalty' that has kept them in power. Love is blind :rolleyes:!!I find outright attack on anyone who tried to put alternative views forward suggesting that for example Mary Coughlan isn't an idiot (which I know for a fact to be true having met her numerous times), just because the popular opinion is she hasn't 2 brain cells to rub together it's taken for Gospel in these here interwebs.
I don't think one has to meet Ms. Coughlan in person to know that she is not fit for the position of Tainaiste. My views on her competence were formed long before I read about her on Boards.ie, when she caused severe hardship to Back-to-Education students, in order to save peanuts for the Government, and that was during the boom years of the Celtic Tiger
!! What has she achieved since becoming Tainaiste?The reason people are anti government are on here bitching is because all their energy is put into being anti-FF, while FF continues to ignore the outside world and do it's job which is running the country. For all the attacks on FF and the Greens from the opposition, there is rarely proposals on what they would do better in a thought out way.
Well, pardon me, but HOW DARE THEY 'ignore the outside world'!! You are right! That is precisely what they are doing! The latest debacle of the new Blasphemous Libel legislation is a prime example of this. The Government is supposed to be for the people, not for the Government to suit themselves.Richard Bruton does not a Cabinet make. A cabinet needs 15 people, and quite frankly there are opposition members I'd put in it, but there are still more FF TD's and candidates I'd put in it.
No, he doesn't, but I would say he is worth at least 15 Brian Lenihans!!
Seriously though, as a matter of interest, what 'opposition members' would you have in government? I haven't voted in this poll as yet, because I'm still trying to make up my mind, and I would welcome any profound advice from any side of the equation.
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But the media stance being adopted by the public isn't move her, it's dump her. Move her I could accept, but dump??? Why?? Point me to someone who can IMPLEMENT , not just talk about solutions, even talking about solutions would be welcome, considering all the opposition and John McGuinness have done is criticise her for being her.is_that_so wrote: »It's not so much the "lack of brain cells" as you put it as someone seriously out of her depth in her portfolio. She did well in Agriculture.
Some of the less popular members of cabinet are quite able. Noel Dempsey is extremely able, and no amount of opinion about his past mistakes is going to make him less able.is_that_so wrote: »If those FF people exist why aren't they already in the cabinet? The FF problem is that there is a serious dearth of talent or that talent is being misapplied, as is the case with Ms Coughlan.
You see, I was happy enough until you say Burton has to get something. Every sentence she utters begins "The facts about this government". She never has anything new to say, and if she does, I've generally tuned out before she gets to it, as does most of the population when listening to politicians complaining about each other.is_that_so wrote: »On the opposite side most of the FG cabinet, would be acceptable and then adding from Labour the likes of Ruari Quinn, Pat Rabbitte, (if they want it.),Burton(She's got to get something) Gilmore himself and one or two as of yet unknown Labour TDs they could fill a cabinet quite nicely without a FF face in sight.
Pure opinion. Most of the "misspending" was intended to combat disadvantage. Increased social welfare benefits were never intended to buy 42" LCDs or nearly new BMWs, but, while the standard of living must now fall, there is absolutely no getting away from the fact it has risen astronomically over the last decade.The Raven. wrote: »Even though the current economic crisis in Ireland is largely due to the mistakes of Fianna Fail? Misplaced loyalty, in my opinion. It is this kind of 'loyalty' that has kept them in power. Love is blind :rolleyes:!!
Jobs are still being created in our economy, people make mistakes and the subsequent changes in B2E make that apparent. No political party makes every decision correctly. Being in power for 18 out of the last 20 years gives much more opportunity for making mistakes. The rainbow coalition made mistakes too.The Raven. wrote: »I don't think one has to meet Ms. Coughlan in person to know that she is not fit for the position of Tainaiste. My views on her competence were formed long before I read about her on Boards.ie, when she caused severe hardship to Back-to-Education students, in order to save peanuts for the Government, and that was during the boom years of the Celtic Tiger!! What has she achieved since becoming Tainaiste?
Government IS for the people, not for the media, I think you've confused the two.The Raven. wrote: »Well, pardon me, but HOW DARE THEY 'ignore the outside world'!! You are right! That is precisely what they are doing! The latest debacle of the new Blasphemous Libel legislation is a prime example of this. The Government is supposed to be for the people, not for the Government to suit themselves.
And in 20 years time you could argue that Lenihan will be worth 15 times "insert generic recently elected FG TD here".The Raven. wrote: »No, he doesn't, but I would say he is worth at least 15 Brian Lenihans!!
Nature of life. Experience etc is gained by doing.The Raven. wrote: »Seriously though, as a matter of interest, what 'opposition members' would you have in government? I haven't voted in this poll as yet, because I'm still trying to make up my mind, and I would welcome any profound advice from any side of the equation..
Jan O'Sullivan, Brian Hayes (as much as it pains me), James Reilly, Ruairí Quinn are the only 4 sticking out.
Somehow I don't think the hype around Bruton would actually amount to anything if they took him off the sidelines....I class him as the Felipe Contipomi of Irish politics...he'd probably serve us much better as a EU Commissioner.0 -
Richard Bruton has a masters in Economics not a law degree, end of.But the media stance being adopted by the public isn't move her, it's dump her. Move her I could accept, but dump??? Why?? Point me to someone who can IMPLEMENT , not just talk about solutions, even talking about solutions would be welcome, considering all the opposition and John McGuinness have done is criticise her for being her.
Ye I'd throw her back in Agriculture where she can mature and if FF are still in power in 5 years or so, give her a chance then. It annoys me how she got in to her current job. Speaking on RTE radio she said that she asked the Taoiseach for a job involving economics. How does that prove she's qualified. I know there might not be someone better than her and she has a tough job. But without comparison, what most people are saying (John McGuinness included) is that if there was someone better, a better job would be done.Jobs are still being created in our economy
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In every economy across the world there will always be a minimum of 2 job vacancies
Thus allowing you to say that jobs are being created.
However whenever I hear anyone say that it does nothing to distract us from the live register figures. FF can quote a few hundred new tech jobs which I'm thankful to see, however it doesn't solve the problem of nearly half a million on the dole.
Statements like this immaturely avoid the issue at hand.0 -
Mary Coughlan also has an economics degree.dave-higgz wrote: »Richard Bruton has a masters in Economics not a law degree, end of.
Who? John McGuinness has cleary proven the long term accuastions that he's incapable of teamwork over the last fortnight. That rules him out, no matter how much his business turns over.dave-higgz wrote: »Ye I'd throw her back in Agriculture where she can mature and if FF are still in power in 5 years or so, give her a chance then. It annoys me how she got in to her current job. Speaking on RTE radio she said that she asked the Taoiseach for a job involving economics. How does that prove she's qualified. I know there might not be someone better than her and she has a tough job. But without comparison, what most people are saying (John McGuinness included) is that if there was someone better, a better job would be done.
More people lost ther jobs in the US in January than are unemployed in Ireland. Part of the issue here is the very quick growth in the labour force in the last few years meaning there are still more people at work than ever before, but there are now more unemployed too.dave-higgz wrote: »In every economy across the world there will always be a minimum of 2 job vacancies
Thus allowing you to say that jobs are being created.
However whenever I hear anyone say that it does nothing to distract us from the live register figures. FF can quote a few hundred new tech jobs which I'm thankful to see, however it doesn't solve the problem of nearly half a million on the dole.
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But the media stance being adopted by the public isn't move her, it's dump her. Move her I could accept, but dump??? Why?? Point me to someone who can IMPLEMENT , not just talk about solutions, even talking about solutions would be welcome, considering all the opposition and John McGuinness have done is criticise her for being her.
As I've said before every party need a McGuinness, FG have Deasy. And I agree with you. However her performance has been magnified, perhaps a little unfairly , by how the present crisis is being dealt with. The mistake was moving her at that time.
Some of the less popular members of cabinet are quite able. Noel Dempsey is extremely able, and no amount of opinion about his past mistakes is going to
make him less able.
Yeah but he cuts loose every so often as he did during the banking debates earlier in the year. FF are not without talent but I think it is limitedYou see, I was happy enough until you say Burton has to get something. Every sentence she utters begins "The facts about this government". She never has anything new to say, and if she does, I've generally tuned out before she gets to it, as does most of the population when listening to politicians complaining about each other.
I'd say that'll be a deal breaker with Labour. She annoys me at times as well but she'll get a cabinet post. 0 -
Mary Coughlan also has an economics degree.
Social Science according to wikipedia but her ability is in doubt. Richard Bruton who has a masters has been saying all the right things for a good while now.Who? John McGuinness has cleary proven the long term accuastions that he's incapable of teamwork over the last fortnight. That rules him out, no matter how much his business turns over.
I honestly don't know. I didn't actually suggest John McGuinness. Although I like him for having the balls to speak out. We need more of that in irish party politics.More people lost ther jobs in the US in January than are unemployed in Ireland. Part of the issue here is the very quick growth in the labour force in the last few years meaning there are still more people at work than ever before, but there are now more unemployed too.
It's great that we had nearly full employment but things are rapidly going the other way making the US irrelevant. 11% now and a possible 15% unemployment rate by the end of the year is alarming. ESRI are saying 17%, we could see 20%. It's time to put away any mention of FF's good record and just get down to solving the problem.0 -
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Mary Coughlan also has an economics degree.
Mary Coughlan:
Ursuline Convent in Sligo
Social Science, Batchelors’s Degree, UCD
Career: social worker.
Richard Bruton:
Belvedere College, Clongowes Wood College,
UCD
Master of Philosophy in Economics, Nuffield College, Oxford.
(Thesis: Irish public debt)
Profession: Research Economist
Quite a difference in qualifications and experience!!Who? John McGuinness has cleary proven the long term accuastions that he's incapable of teamwork over the last fortnight. That rules him out, no matter how much his business turns over.
There was a very amusing article by Senan Molony last Tuesday in the Indo:Cowen tries to keep leaky boat afloat as sharks circle
HELL hath no fury like a junior minister scorned. John McGuinness has been telling everyone, since his wounding demotion, just how useless this Government is.
In deliberately measured tones, to downplay any suspicion that butter (or sour grapes) might melt in his mouth, the Kilkenny TD has been publicly sliding the knife into both the Taoiseach and the Tanaiste.
His only motive is to ring an alarm bell, we're told. The ship of State is drifting on to the rocks, and it's up to John to sound a warning. He genuinely does not believe Mary Coughlan is up to the job. He says he told her that to her face.
There's a certain irony in all of this. McGuinness was supposedly the strong man behind closed doors, but immediately succumbs to the temptation to settle scores the moment his ego takes a bruising from being deemed surplus to requirements.
There are many who might see in this as much weakness as the supposed incapacity he ascribes to Mary Coughlan. 'Frailty, thy name is woman,' how are you?No-one ever pretended the gregarious Donegal woman came pre-packed with an MBA from Harvard, but at least she also never pretended (unlike someone we know) to have studied at the London School of Economics.
Oops!! Never mind. His website is all cleaned now
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Well I get annoyed when I hear Bruton or Burton on the tv or radio telling us everything that's wrong, with no mention of how they'd fix it, or where they'd cut funding elsewhere to fix it if they ever do have a plan. I'm always left wanting after they've been on the news, looking for the rest of their press briefing, the bit with substance, but it never comes.
Excellent something we can agree on
I too yearn to hear what the opposition has to offer in terms of policy. Unfortunately I only support FG/Lab based on pure faith and a dislike of the current government!
I know they can't do any worse in health and at least Labour recentely came out with a decent pre-budget statement including a higher rate of tax.
Otherwise though they really need to come up with a plan, as do the government to get us out of this mess.0
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