blatant chinese plagiarism (or cheap copies to you and me)

peasant

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/5208546/Chinas-copycars-familiar-looking-vehicles-at-Shanghai-Auto-2009.html

Anan1

Check out their (apparently Austin-based) Subaru Forester knock-off: http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/04/yema-sqj6451-seriously-it-not-subaru.html

Thomas_S_Hunterson

peasant wrote:

blatant chinese plagiarism (or cheap copies to you and me)

Plagiarism relates to written works. /dictionary-nazi

Owen

No worse than Suzuki Dealers doing white roofs/stripes, or Skoda offering a white roof on the Fabia.

peasant

ned78 wrote: »

No worse than Suzuki Dealers doing white roofs/stripes, or Skoda offering a white roof on the Fabia.

Yeah ...don't forget those stripes on the Dodge Viper ....:D:D:D

Owen

peasant wrote: »

Yeah ...don't forget those stripes on the Dodge Viper ....:D:D:D

Or the GT40

But seriously though, the Suzuki is a complete piss-take.

BlackWizard

I really don't see a problem with it. I think it's great and if they can build them with similar quality to the cars they are looking like then I really couldn't care less. I love the Bentley look-a-like. I think it was on Top gear a while back. I thought it was great

But they would never sell here with so many people wanting a big Volkswagen, Audi or BMW badge on the front of their car.

Dartz

Truthfully, would anybody here drive a Chinese-built car after :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D827IxEJVS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOFIt9iw1Fs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZWy_fASSiQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kQGAK550LE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD1IGTTBg4s&feature=related

BlackWizard

The quality and safety of their cars is deplorable alright. But that wont last forever. One day they will start to get it right.

I love the video with the Van. It just seems to melt

Cookie_Monster

Surely they are all licenced knowck offs and therefor no plagirism involved at all?

Still wouldn't touch a single one of them though:pac:

Cuddlesworth

BlackWizard wrote: »

The quality and safety of their cars is deplorable alright. But that wont last forever. One day they will start to get it right.

And the costs will rise substantially.

BlackWizard

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

And the costs will rise substantially.

You're right. No other nation in the world especially one the size of China can possibly ever make cars to rival that of the likes of German BMW or AUDI. Because cars from places like Korea and Japan just make terrible cars which are way too expensive for us europeans :rolleyes:

Anan1

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Surely they are all licenced knowck offs and therefor no plagirism involved at all?

AFAIK, the 'Subaru Forester' owes nothing apart from its looks to the real car.

3ps

that red VW like truck is not chinese. it is a red VW truck loaded with sand/cement

rocknchef

wondering how long it will take before ther appear on ebay and how much the postage wil be:D

Gatster

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Surely they are all licenced knowck offs and therefor no plagirism involved at all?

Both Merc & BMW have sued the Chinese, so there's no licensing agreements involved for most of these AFAIK...that Van and the yellow car just seem to evaporate :eek:

You would think, with the breadth of resource China has available, that they'd be able to come up with something cheap and half-decent for the valuable export market?

BlackWizard

Gatster wrote: »

You would think, with the breadth of resource China has available, that they'd be able to come up with something cheap and half-decent for the valuable export market?

Exactly what I was thinking. And I guess it won't happen over night which is why I think it's great that they are trying to imitate the looks of other cars. Eventually I don't see why competition between Chinese car manufactures and demand from consumers wont lead them to not just imitating looks, but also quality and safety. Then at the point they might actually consider shipping stock overseas to places like the EU. Who knows!

Which is why I think it's a bit harsh to be slagging off a China because it's not got the years of experience and very high exceptions from consumers who standard of life is only a fraction of our own. ~18 years ago we drove Ladas. At the rate they are progressing and with access to modern motoring/manufacturing knowledge who knows where they will be in 10 years.

Cuddlesworth

BlackWizard wrote: »

You're right. No other nation in the world especially one the size of China can possibly ever make cars to rival that of the likes of German BMW or AUDI. Because cars from places like Korea and Japan just make terrible cars which are way too expensive for us europeans :rolleyes:

At the point where the engineering and quality of parts is comparable is when the price difference is comparable. Japanese and Korean cars compete with European models, they don't dominate.

colm_mcm

As far as I know:

There are different patent and copyright laws in China, and all the major manufacturers want to set up manufacturing plants in China because of the cheap labour, so they're not taking on the Chinese firms.

Here are some notable rip offs from China:

Not a Rav4:


Not an X5:


Not an A4:


Not a Smart car (in more ways than one...)


Not a Santa Fe:


Not a C Class:


Not a Land Cruiser:


Not a Matiz:

zilog_jones

Gatster wrote: »

that Van and the yellow car just seem to evaporate :eek:

The yellow car is an early Holden Commodore, apparently a 1978 VB tested in 1992 at 140km/h or over (EuroNCAP tests are 64km/h against an offset deformable barrier, not straight into a concrete wall!).
"China car": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOFIt9iw1Fs
Exact same video posted on YouTube several years before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caOqD54oxRA
The car even says "Crashlab" on the door and has the RTA (Roads and Traffic Authority of NSW) logo on the wing: http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/crashlab/

And as others have said the red van is a VW T3, also in a similarly unrealistic crash.

Also, for comparison look at the EG Civic in this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyFkL_TEBDg

colm_mcm

The VW was loaded up with bricks to test the wall, rather than the van itself.

Mickk

This is the best of all, yours for 30k:

Graham_B18C

Mickk wrote: »

This is the best of all, yours for 30k:

They done that on Top Gear IIRC

And why bother making a copy of the Matiz?! I don't get it!

Gatster

The recent one on Top Gear was a Galue, which is Japanese, and seemingly a different kettle of fish to the Chinese crap.

KTRIC

Gatster wrote: »

The recent one on Top Gear was a Galue, which is Japanese, and seemingly a different kettle of fish to the Chinese crap.

thats the one, Gatser, thanks

check out their blatant Morgan Aero 8 copy http://www.mitsuoka-himiko.com/concept.html

colm_mcm

Grahamo999 wrote: »

And why bother making a copy of the Matiz?! I don't get it!

The Matiz is a huge seller worldwide especially in developing countries. why wouldn't you copy it if you wanted to have a succesful Chinese car?

CianRyan

Anyone else notice a slight explotion or electrical fault when the yellow carshed?
At about 5 seconds.

L1011

Not a Panda, and not for sale in Europe due to an injunction based on such:

alias no.9

colm_mcm wrote: »

Not an A4:

Must be a Seat Exeo then

Graham_B18C

colm_mcm wrote: »

The Matiz is a huge seller worldwide especially in developing countries. why wouldn't you copy it if you wanted to have a succesful Chinese car?

Well I didn't know that

zilog_jones

alias no.9 wrote: »

Must be a Seat Exeo then

It's based on an old Toledo IIRC

colm_mcm

zilog_jones wrote: »

It's based on an old Toledo IIRC

Yup, which in turn was based on the Mk2 Jetta

You can see it in action here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A

Mena

peasant wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/5208546/Chinas-copycars-familiar-looking-vehicles-at-Shanghai-Auto-2009.html

Am I the only one who didn't even see the car in this shot?

alexmcred

yes.......... yes you are:D












Ladyboy anyone:pac:

AugustusMaximus

Mena wrote: »

Am I the only one who didn't even see the car in this shot?

Much better example.

alexmcred

Any way of getting the tacky car out of the way lol

The car and woman in the first one both look like very cheap copies

VolvoMan

Gatster wrote: »

The recent one on Top Gear was a Galue, which is Japanese, and seemingly a different kettle of fish to the Chinese crap.

KTRIC wrote: »

thats the one, Gatser, thanks

check out their blatant Morgan Aero 8 copy http://www.mitsuoka-himiko.com/concept.html

They're Japanese.;)

mondeo

I have to laugh at the Merc and X5 shadows. They really are perfect clones. It is hard to imagine them getting away with it.

RichyX

CianRyan wrote: »

Anyone else notice a slight explotion or electrical fault when the yellow carshed?
At about 5 seconds.

Yeah, spotted that, down near the ground.

Muckie

Didnt they make a copy of a Ferrari with a Subaru engin in it.

They Ferrari fella's went nuts!

netwhizkid

The back on the Chinese "mini" is such a rip off of the 1970s Range Rover.