Interesting statistics (LCE)

Signature · 02-05-2009 1:34pm #1

I think people will find the following two links very interesting:

K4t · 02-05-2009 1:47pm

History and English are marked too hard imo. If I ever do find out who marked my History mock there will be more than words exchanged.

Fad · 02-05-2009 2:13pm

The 1 person who did OL Hebrew Studies in 2008, failed!

pathway33 · 02-05-2009 3:00pm

Fad wrote: »

The 1 person who did OL Hebrew Studies in 2008, failed!

guess you could say he brew his chance

Fad · 02-05-2009 3:07pm

pathway33 wrote: »

guess you could say he brew his chance

Why isnt there a NO THANKS/CRINGE button

pathway33 · 02-05-2009 3:15pm

Fad wrote: »

Why isnt there a NO THANKS/CRINGE button

PurpleFistMixer · 02-05-2009 7:17pm

The percentage of As, etc. is interesting, but well, as with any statistics you sort of need the whole story before you can deduce much from it. Going "lots of people get A1s in Applied Maths, therefore it is easy" is just plain wrong and I've heard similar things said too often.

That said, the percentage of A1s in Art made me feel better about my A2.

JSK 252 · 02-05-2009 9:21pm

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

That said, the percentage of A1s in Art made me feel better about my A2.

An A2 is not good?

OneArt · 02-05-2009 11:55pm

Forty percent of all statistics are wrong.

pathway33 · 03-05-2009 12:16am

OneArt wrote: »

Forty percent of all statistics are wrong.

and what about the other half?

xOxSinéadxOx · 03-05-2009 3:23am

feck all people get As in art. is it because so many people who are **** at it do it for the doss? well basing it on my class, that's about half the people

ciano1 · 03-05-2009 1:04pm

Jaysus

Some high A1 rate in HL Physics :O

Gear9992 · 03-05-2009 3:04pm

I'm starting 5th year next year and i decided to do Japanese!!

only 100 people did it last year, and 30% got an A1!! wow

I heard it was easy but it can't be that easy can it?

Busi_Girl08 · 03-05-2009 3:11pm

Woah!!
I was not expecting the A1 stat for Accounting to be that high in 2008.

Considering how bad the paper was:eek:

daithiolabhrai · 03-05-2009 4:52pm

pathway33 wrote: »

guess you could say he brew his chance

haha love it!

daithiolabhrai · 03-05-2009 4:54pm

Gear9992 wrote: »

I'm starting 5th year next year and i decided to do Japanese!!

only 100 people did it last year, and 30% got an A1!! wow

I heard it was easy but it can't be that easy can it?

my friend is doing it this year, and she says its very easy! but i'd say a lot of those people who got A1s are either Japanese or Chinese

SligoBrewer · 03-05-2009 5:53pm

I think the SEC are taking the piss with Japanese. While a lot of people who take the exam are indeed Japanese, it still has an over apportionment of A1's in comparison to other far flung or 'minnow' (in comparsion to those studying at LC level) languages.

This is favouritism to those who can either afford to do Japanese outside of school, or be lucky enough to be in schools who feel they can offer a Japanese program. The perception that 'Ah yeah, I'll take up Japanese in 5th year cause it's an easy A1' has been proven correct. To get an A1 in Japanese should be just as difficult to obtain as an A1 in German/French/Spanish.

Do you think anyone would go 'I was thinking of taking up German in 5th year, heard of my mate it's an easy A'? Would they ****.

Fad · 03-05-2009 6:47pm

SligoBrewer wrote: »

I think the SEC are taking the piss with Japanese. While a lot of people who take the exam are indeed Japanese, it still has an over apportionment of A1's in comparison to other far flung or 'minnow' (in comparsion to those studying at LC level) languages.

This is favouritism to those who can either afford to do Japanese outside of school, or be lucky enough to be in schools who feel they can offer a Japanese program. The perception that 'Ah yeah, I'll take up Japanese in 5th year cause it's an easy A1' has been proven correct. To get an A1 in Japanese should be just as difficult to obtain as an A1 in German/French/Spanish.

Do you think anyone would go 'I was thinking of taking up German in 5th year, heard of my mate it's an easy A'? Would they ****.

Japanese classes are free.

I see modern European languages as easy A's in comparison to Irish, am I outraged? No.

There is no JC Japanese, it is only meant to be up the level of JC French or something like that.

What about the A rate in other Eastern European languages? Seeing as only people from those countries take the exams. I'd say very few native speakers take the Japanese LC exam.

lou91 · 03-05-2009 8:45pm

Fad wrote: »

Japanese classes are free.

I see modern European languages as easy A's in comparison to Irish, am I outraged? No.

There is no JC Japanese, it is only meant to be up the level of JC French or something like that.

What about the A rate in other Eastern European languages? Seeing as only people from those countries take the exams. I'd say very few native speakers take the Japanese LC exam.

I'm one of the people who saw those stats and jumped on the bandwagon. We'll see how it works out on August 12th...
This year though the numbers doing it will go up quite significantly I think, and the A rate will drop.
A lot of people doing it speak Japanese or another Asian language like Korean, and pick it up in 6th year.

In other news, I have to be in the top 2.9% of the country to get my course.
Oh dear.

SligoBrewer · 03-05-2009 10:25pm

Fad wrote: »

Japanese classes are free.

I see modern European languages as easy A's in comparison to Irish, am I outraged? No.

Does your ability to study Irish or European languages depend on what school you go to? No.

Fad wrote: »

There is no JC Japanese, it is only meant to be up the level of JC French or something like that.

Dear CAO, As I hear that as LC Japanese is as easy as JC French, I would like to point out the fact that I got 7 a's in my JC. Can you fax me on mai 600 points plz?

Fad wrote: »

What about the A rate in other Eastern European languages? Seeing as only people from those countries take the exams. I'd say very few native speakers take the Japanese LC exam.

That's exactly my point. How are so many people getting 100 points for JC work in comparison to all other languages.

Fad · 03-05-2009 11:15pm

It doesnt depend on what school you go to, its free, for anyone who cares to travel to the centres where they are taught...........

Just because its at JC standard doesnt make it "Easy", you still have to learn a language in 2 years, including 3 alphabets and you have to be able to speak it.

The standard is JC level, but the doesnt mean its as Easy as a JC subject.

SligoBrewer · 03-05-2009 11:26pm

Fad wrote: »

The standard is JC level, but the doesnt mean its as Easy as a JC subject.

If a subject's standard is JC level, how is it more difficult than a JC Paper?

Is there a list of these centres somewhere?

Also btw, just had a look at the 2008 paper here.

Right Fad, have a look through it.
Bear in mind that this is a paper worth 100 points.
Now look at question 2d. Ridiculous.

Fad · 03-05-2009 11:34pm

SligoBrewer wrote: »

If a subject's standard is JC level, how is it more difficult than a JC Paper?

You learn as much as you would as if you learnt it at JC level, but bearing in mind you're doing a course in two years instead of three, and for the vast majority of people doing one 3 hour class a week, I would say it is more difficult. The paper may not be to an insane standard, but you still have to put quite alot of work in.

(Loving how you've dropped your point about what school people go to....)

SligoBrewer · 03-05-2009 11:37pm

Fad wrote: »

(Loving how you've dropped your point about what school people go to....)

Post edited

Fad · 03-05-2009 11:45pm

SligoBrewer wrote: »

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Yes, after I responded to it though :pac:

And then subsequently ignored the rest of my response.

You would have to ensure some sort of knowledge about Japanese Culture.

SligoBrewer · 03-05-2009 11:47pm

Lets compare Arabic with Japanese. Two Foreign Languages. New Alphabets in both, and by my reckoning a higher proportion of native speakers taking the LC in Arabic but with similar numbers of students actually taking the exam

OK. So an A1 rate similar in both should be applicable yeah?

Consistently, there have been over twice as many A's given to Japanese as to Arabic, but the A1 rate has been eclipsed by over 10 times in the last two years.

Fair papers? :rolleyes:

SligoBrewer · 03-05-2009 11:49pm

Fad wrote: »

Yes, after I responded to it though :pac:

And then subsequently ignored the rest of my response.

Because it was written while you were writing your response.

We do some amount of French culture in our French class, when has it been examined in the LC? I could answer that question if you replaced Japan with France. As could you with whatever European language you study.

cautioner · 03-05-2009 11:52pm

I don't see why any of us not doing Japanese would be in any position to comment on the difficulty of the paper... I'm sure the SEC would make sure it's a fair exam.

SligoBrewer · 03-05-2009 11:54pm

cautioner wrote: »

I don't see why any of us not doing Japanese would be in any position to comment on the difficulty of the paper... I'm sure the SEC would make sure it's a fair exam.

I did Japanese in TY for the year. Kinda preparation for the centre after the year had ended.

Fad · 03-05-2009 11:57pm

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Lets compare Arabic with Japanese. Two Foreign Languages. New Alphabets in both, and by my reckoning a higher proportion of native speakers taking the LC in Arabic but with similar numbers of students actually taking the exam

OK. So an A1 rate similar in both should be applicable yeah?

Consistently, there have been over twice as many A's given to Japanese as to Arabic, but the A1 rate has been eclipsed by over 10 times in the last two years.

Fair papers? :rolleyes:

Because Japanese is intended as an Ab Initio subject, no one is meant to have studied it prior to LC level.

Arabic is for native speakers(Pretty much only), so they can have something to take the place of Irish, why the SEC have that in place? I do not know.

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Because it was written while you were writing your response.

The words you are searching for are, "You win Fad"

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SligoBrewer · 04-05-2009 12:05am

Fad wrote: »

The words you are searching for are, "You win Fad" .

:rolleyes:

Your points which you said i missed out on are answered up there. In the thread.

Fad wrote: »

Because Japanese is intended as an Ab Initio subject, no one is meant to have studied it prior to LC level.

Arabic is for native speakers(Pretty much only), so they can have something to take the place of Irish, why the SEC have that in place? I do not know.

Why shouldn't Arabic be on the JC timetable so?
Does that not make Arabic an Ab Initio subject?

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