That is 'so not' true

The Raven.

This ridiculous 'so not' negative has gained currency in recent times, in statements such as:

'That is so not true.'
'That is so not going to happen.'

While these grammatically incorrect constructions of words may have seemed trendy and humorous at first, I think the 'so not' usage has long since passed its sell-by date, with its edges dulled by surfeit.

Any thoughts?

MathsManiac

The Raven. wrote: »

This ridiculous 'so not' negative has gained currency in recent times, in statements such as:

'That is so not true.'
'That is so not going to happen.'

While these grammatically incorrect constructions of words may have seemed trendy and humorous at first, I think the 'so not' usage has long since passed its sell-by date, with its edges dulled by surfeit.

Any thoughts?

Like, I'm just so not disagreeing with you, man. But most people are just, like, you know, "whatever". So, yeah, what can you do, right?

amacachi

I like, don't really agree, per se.

The Raven.

Em...well, ya no, like that's so not cool :cool:!!

Yakuza

That's, like, been so totally around since Friends plagued our screens some, what, 12-13 years ago?

My (7-year old) daughter uses that construction too. I'm not sure if she's getting it in school, or perhaps from Drake and Josh / iCarly or other programmes of that ilk.

Yakuza

Just thought of another variant of "so" that annoys the hell out of me.
it seems to be an, err, trait *cough*affliction*cough* of my country cousins. To wit:

Me: Did you go to the shops?
Cousin: Aye, I did, so I did.

Me: Will you (do something)?
Cousin:Aye, I will, so I will.

Me: Did he go to the pub?
Cousin:Aye, he did, so he did.

What's with all the tautology? Some anarcho-facist-bogger conspiracy to drive me nuts?

GhostInTheRuins

Yakuza wrote: »

Just thought of another variant of "so" that annoys the hell out of me.
it seems to be an, err, trait *cough*affliction*cough* of my country cousins. To wit:

Me: Did you go to the shops?
Cousin: Aye, I did, so I did.

Me: Will you (do something)?
Cousin:Aye, I will, so I will.

Me: Did he go to the pub?
Cousin:Aye, he did, so he did.

What's with all the tautology? Some anarcho-facist-bogger conspiracy to drive me nuts?

There's nothing wrong talking like that, so there isn't.

Múinteoir

Yakuza wrote: »

Just thought of another variant of "so" that annoys the hell out of me.
it seems to be an, err, trait *cough*affliction*cough* of my country cousins. To wit:

Me: Did you go to the shops?
Cousin: Aye, I did, so I did.

Me: Will you (do something)?
Cousin:Aye, I will, so I will.

Me: Did he go to the pub?
Cousin:Aye, he did, so he did.

What's with all the tautology? Some anarcho-facist-bogger conspiracy to drive me nuts?

That's been in Hiberno-English for a few hundred years. I think it relates to Irish language syntax, though I'm not sure.

Yakuza

Múinteoir wrote: »

That's been in Hiberno-English for a few hundred years. I think it relates to Irish language syntax, though I'm not sure.

I know that a lot of Hiberno English does come from direct translation of Irish syntax into English ("Tá mé tar eís dul go dti an siopa" - "I'm after going to the shops" - which would baffle most Queen's English speakers, but make perfect sense to a Hiberno-English speaker as another way of saying "I've just been to the shops". "Don't be doing that" would be another example. As far as I know there's no direct equivalent to "yes" and "no" in Irish, you just respond in a positive or negative sense to a question:

?: An bhfuil tú réidh? (Are you ready?)
+: Tá mé réidh (I am ready)
-: Níl mé réidh (I am not ready)

but they can be shortened to "Tá mé" and "Níl mé", as the context is clear, but there's no repetition involved; I can't see where the "I am, so I am / he did, so he did" comes in.

Ah well, one of the mysteries of life

Now, my Irish is 20+ years rusty, so I'm open to correction, but I don't think I should go further off topic from the original post, nor start discussing finer points of Irish grammar in the English language forum.:p

Mods - maybe create a Hiberno-English sub-forum of the English one?

pickarooney

Could you not just make one megathread for all your riff-raff scorning?

GENGIS KH@N

'That is so not true.'
'That is so not going to happen.'

Young people in France use the same words constructions:
so not= trop pas
They said:c'est trop pas vrai:That is so not true

dublintuition

Another thing that annoys me is the use of double negatives in sentences:

"Im not doing nothing" the speaker means "I'm not doing anything" but is in fact stating th opposite, admitting "I'm up to something"

annoying mainly becasue students don't understand it.

PurplePossum

We're like, so totally over American slang lingo here, it is so not cool! Leave it out!

Kopf

Múinteoir wrote: »

That's been in Hiberno-English for a few hundred years. I think it relates to Irish language syntax, though I'm not sure.

The irony of someone calling themselves "Múinteoir" posting this is just FAAAAAANNNTASTIC.