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Arsenal v Man Utd 2nd leg (first leg 1-0 utd)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    I'm heading over tomorrow we need to make the emirates a cauldron for the first time in its history

    Too often the atmosphere has been lacking at our new home but tomorrow is our biggest game there ever and we need to make some noise to lift the players


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    Prob going to do my normal thing and aovid the soccer forum til after the match tomorrow, so good luck to all! More luck to utd!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,608 ✭✭✭Spud83


    I think there will be some slight changes to he team from the first leg.

    vds
    O'Shea
    Rio----Vidic
    Evra
    Carrick----Fletcher
    Park
    Anderson
    Rooney
    Ronaldo

    The pace and power of Rooney, Ronaldo, and Anderson being used on the counter attack, while Park can get up and down the wing all match.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,725 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I think there will be some slight changes to he team from the first leg.

    vds
    O'Shea
    Rio----Vidic
    Evra
    Carrick----Fletcher
    Park
    Anderson
    Rooney
    Ronaldo

    The pace and power of Rooney, Ronaldo, and Anderson being used on the counter attack, while Park can get up and down the wing all match.

    Thats probably the team alright Alan, apart from the questions over the full backs, your more or less spot on. IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭L'prof



    Almunia
    Sagna--Toure--Djourou/Silvestre--Silvestre/Gibbs
    Walcott
    Diaby/Song
    Fabregas
    Nasri
    Adebayor
    van Persie

    Subs: Fabianski, Denilson, Eboue, Bendtner, Ramsey, Song, Gibbs

    We only have 5 subs :eek:

    Really have to go for this game, so fúck the 4-5-1 shíte...we have to play 4-4-2. Personally, I think playing Diaby instead of a defensive midfielder could be key in getting the result we need. Players in green are the ones I want to start and players in red are the ones that will probably start!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,570 ✭✭✭✭Frisbee


    jasonorr wrote: »
    We only have 5 subs :eek:

    Wilshere + Vela


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭L'prof


    Frisbee wrote: »
    Wilshere + Vela

    Cool, was just going by the players listed on BBC and I made a mistake too. Song and Gibbs should be on the bench!


  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭itsjaybud


    Frisbee wrote: »
    Wilshere + Vela

    Is Wilshere fit? I didn't think he was even on the bench against pompey so cant see him being there tonight??
    jasonorr wrote: »
    Cool, was just going by the players listed on BBC and I made a mistake too. Song and Gibbs should be on the bench!

    You would prefer to see Silvestre start at left back over Gibbs, thats pretty shocking tbh, as for diaby and song i think id prefer to see Song in there, hes playing well and if we have Van Persie playing we should have enough attacking players on the pitch imo.

    Please god van persie starts!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,570 ✭✭✭✭Frisbee


    jasonorr wrote: »
    Cool, was just going by the players listed on BBC and I made a mistake too. Song and Gibbs should be on the bench!

    Did you watch the game last week?

    Gibbs was consistently put up against JOS and Ronaldo on his own when Diaby went missing and still did a great job.

    And Song has been our outstanding CM the past few weeks.

    I've no idea why you would want either of them dropped.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭itsjaybud


    Frisbee wrote: »
    Did you watch the game last week?

    Gibbs was consistently put up against JOS and Ronaldo on his own when Diaby went missing and still did a great job.

    And Song has been our outstanding CM the past few weeks.

    I've no idea why you would want either of them dropped.

    And a certain Wayne Rooney aswell!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭L'prof


    itsjaybud wrote: »
    You would prefer to see Silvestre start at left back over Gibbs, thats pretty shocking tbh, as for diaby and song i think id prefer to see Song in there, hes playing well and if we have Van Persie playing we should have enough attacking players on the pitch imo.

    Please god van persie starts!!!
    Frisbee wrote: »
    Did you watch the game last week?

    Gibbs was consistently put up against JOS and Ronaldo on his own when Diaby went missing and still did a great job.

    And Song has been our outstanding CM the past few weeks.

    I've no idea why you would want either of them dropped.

    No offence, but that's a retarded question!

    Diaby isn't a defensive player and he isn't a winger He didn't track back enough the last day and should probably have been in that area where O Shea got his goal since Gibbs was standing at the post. I would like to see him play in a central/attacking role. We need to win this game, so we need as many attacking players out there as possible as we'll probably need to win by 2. I'm not stupid though, I know we're gonna start with Song/Denilson and probably play 4-5-1.

    As for Silvestre and Gibbs, I honestly don't care which one starts at LB as long as Silvestre doesn't start at CB (I'm sure he will though) because he's far too dodgey there to be honest!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭tony1kenobi


    I still think Silvestre will score the winner.

    Just not sure which team he'll score it for.


  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭itsjaybud


    jasonorr wrote: »
    No offence, but that's a retarded question!

    Diaby isn't a defensive player and he isn't a winger He didn't track back enough the last day and should probably have been in that area where O Shea got his goal since Gibbs was standing at the post. I would like to see him play in a central/attacking role. We need to win this game, so we need as many attacking players out there as possible as we'll probably need to win by 2. I'm not stupid though, I know we're gonna start with Song/Denilson and probably play 4-5-1.

    As for Silvestre and Gibbs, I honestly don't care which one starts at LB as long as Silvestre doesn't start at CB (I'm sure he will though) because he's far too dodgey there to be honest!

    Nasri, Walcott, Fabregas, Van Persie, Adebayor is plenty of attacking power imo theres no need for Diaby to start alongside Cesc it would just put to much defensive responsibilty on his shoulders. (re cesc that is)

    I just feel having Song in the centre will help break up alot of Utd's attacks and between himself and Fabregas provide the necessary passes to keep the likes of Nasri and Walcott going in the right direction!

    As for the formation i think Wenger said recently that will be determined on whether or not RVP starts. If he does we are guaranteed to see 4-4-2

    Also i think we will see Djourou start the game, i dont think Silvestre will be 100% for it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Anderson being used on the counter attack

    I think Ando will be employed in doing a number on Fabregas tbh.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭Smegball


    I think Ando will be employed in doing a number on Fabregas tbh.

    He's done it before :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,678 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Smegball wrote: »
    He's done it before :D

    anderson-son-son-son


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Smegball wrote: »
    He's done it before :D

    I know.

    That's why I said it, he's well capable of harrying and hassling Fabregas out of his normal game, and it's what I think Ferguson will tell him to do, because he sure as fúck won't get a goal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,678 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I know.

    That's why I said it, he's well capable of harrying and hassling Fabregas out of his normal game, and it's what I think Ferguson will tell him to do, because he sure as fúck won't get a goal.

    if he scores tonight got help you Eamo;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭Smegball


    I know.

    That's why I said it, he's well capable of harrying and hassling Fabregas out of his normal game, and it's what I think Ferguson will tell him to do, because he sure as fúck won't get a goal.

    lol, stranger things have happened :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,678 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    pp always have some cool pics

    who.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,852 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    surely Tevez will start?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Trilla wrote: »
    surely Tevez will start?

    Back five is nailed on, and so are Ronaldo and Rooney. Rooney on the left.

    I think Tevez will start too, he didn't play at the weekend.

    He'll come off after about 70/75 minutes and Berbatov will come in.

    Depending.

    If United score early on, then they will take Rooney and Evra off.

    So, the changes can't be too well predicted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin



    Almunia
    Sangna
    Djourou
    Toure
    Gibbs

    Eboue
    Song
    Fabregas
    Nasri

    Walcott

    Adebayor


  • Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Roaster


    Can't understand why Vela doesn't start. He gives us natural width on the left and he would destroy JOS. Haven't said that I don't think he will start so I'm going with what I think Wenger will go with

    Almunia

    Sagna - Toure - Djourou/Silvestre - Gibbs

    Cesc - Song - Nasri

    Walcott

    Ade - RVP

    I don't think Diaby should start a game like this. He gives the ball away fat too much and we can ill afford to do that against Utd tonight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭yahoo_moe


    itsjaybud wrote: »
    Nasri, Walcott, Fabregas, Van Persie, Adebayor is plenty of attacking power imo theres no need for Diaby to start alongside Cesc
    Agree completely. Even if we weren't playing a very dangerous attacking side, it's not a win-at-all-costs cup-tie... a clean sheet is vital to our chances in this tie. Cos if we score 3, I don't think Utd will only have scored 1.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭L'prof


    itsjaybud wrote: »
    Nasri, Walcott, Fabregas, Van Persie, Adebayor is plenty of attacking power imo theres no need for Diaby to start alongside Cesc it would just put to much defensive responsibilty on his shoulders. (re cesc that is)
    yahoo_moe wrote: »
    Agree completely. Even if we weren't playing a very dangerous attacking side, it's not a win-at-all-costs cup-tie... a clean sheet is vital to our chances in this tie. Cos if we score 3, I don't think Utd will only have scored 1.

    So swapping van Persie for Diaby is going to make us infinitely more successful going forward than last week??? I doubt that very much!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Evil_Clown


    jasonorr wrote: »
    So swapping van Persie for Diaby is going to make us infinitely more successful going forward than last week??? I doubt that very much!

    I know they play in different positions but
    RVP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diaby

    Hopefully we can start with both Ade and RVP up top with a midfield of Walcott, Song, Cesc, Nasri.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Soby


    Is rooney the only player a yellow away from missing the final?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Soby wrote: »
    Is rooney the only player a yellow away from missing the final?

    Evra, and one other player I think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭L'prof


    Evil_Clown wrote: »
    I know they play in different positions but
    RVP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diaby

    Hopefully we can start with both Ade and RVP up top with a midfield of Walcott, Song, Cesc, Nasri.

    Wenger believes...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭itsjaybud


    jasonorr wrote: »
    So swapping van Persie for Diaby is going to make us infinitely more successful going forward than last week??? I doubt that very much!

    tbh im struggling to come to terms with that post but to answer your question, yes i believe without a shadow of a doubt i would prefer to see RVP start ahead of Diaby as one of our attacking players! Diaby in for Song is complete madness to be quiet honest, as it has been said already we are playing a pretty impressive team going forward!!!

    It will be fairly open game but i dont think Wenger would fancy it being that open!!!!:)

    As far as im concerned im really hoping we see the following to night going forward;

    Walcott---Song---Cesc---Nasri

    Adebayor---RVP

    As for whos going to partner Toure im a bit undecided regards either Silvestre or Djourou but i have a feeling it will be Djourou.


  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭itsjaybud


    Soby wrote: »
    Is rooney the only player a yellow away from missing the final?

    For united its just Rooney and Evra!

    For the Goooners its Nasri, Song and Van persie i think!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭Vanbis


    Rooney, Evra and Tevez are all one booking from missing the final in Rome provided they win tonight.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Evil_Clown


    itsjaybud wrote: »
    For united its just Rooney and Evra!

    For the Goooners its Nasri, Song and Van persie i think!!

    From BBC
    Van Persie is one of four Arsenal players who would miss the final if they picked up a booking, along with Alex Song, Abou Diaby and Samir Nasri.

    Manchester United have Wayne Rooney, Carlos Tevez and Evra on a yellow card.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,678 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    jebus Im really looking forward to this


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    $hitting a brick...


    Come on you GOONERS!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭L'prof


    itsjaybud wrote: »
    tbh im struggling to come to terms with that post but to answer your question, yes i believe without a shadow of a doubt i would prefer to see RVP start ahead of Diaby as one of our attacking players! Diaby in for Song is complete madness to be quiet honest, as it has been said already we are playing a pretty impressive team going forward!!!

    It will be fairly open game but i dont think Wenger would fancy it being that open!!!!:)

    As far as im concerned im really hoping we see the following to night going forward;

    Walcott---Song---Cesc---Nasri

    Adebayor---RVP

    As for whos going to partner Toure im a bit undecided regards either Silvestre or Djourou but i have a feeling it will be Djourou.

    My only point is that I don't think we'll have enough going forward to break down United and get the goals that we need. We were awful last week, I don't see us improving enough this week!

    This could be our last big game of the season and the biggest we've had since Paris. It's all or nothing!


  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭itsjaybud


    GuanYin wrote: »

    Almunia
    Sangna
    Djourou
    Toure
    Gibbs

    Eboue
    Song
    Fabregas
    Nasri

    Walcott

    Adebayor


    Wouldnt fancy Walcott in that position at all tbh, let him do what his does best out on the wing instead of getting lost somewhere in behind Ade!

    I really think alot will hinge on Walcotts ability to get past Evra, we all know he can do it and hopefully to night he can produce it on the big stage!

    Just to make change to your team, keep Walcott on the wing and get RVP in and around big Ade and il be pretty confident come 19:45!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,678 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    oshea to score anytime at 16/1 ;)

    worth a euro to 2


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    itsjaybud wrote: »
    I really think alot will hinge on Walcotts ability to get past Evra & Rooney, we all know he can do it and hopefully to night he can produce it on the big stage!

    Rooney will definitely be deployed on the left side of United's midfield to help the vulnerable looking Evra deal with Walcott.

    They nullified him last week, I think they'll do the same this week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    Recent history suggests Manchester United FC will face an awkward evening when they visit Arsenal FC for the second leg of their UEFA Champions League semi-final. Defending champions United have won just one of their last ten visits to Arsenal and face opponents with a long unbeaten home record in the competition.

    • United, however, have a slender but precious advantage for this trip to north London in the shape of John O'Shea's 17th-minute strike in the first leg. The holders might have added to their advantage but Wayne Rooney, Carlos Tévez and Cristiano Ronaldo were all denied by first-half stops from Manuel Almunia while Ronaldo saw a swerving 30-metre effort strike the crossbar midway through the second period.

    • Arsène Wenger's men can nevertheless take heart from their fine home form, having not lost in 24 matches in the UEFA Champions League proper – be it at their old Highbury home or the Arsenal Stadium – since going down 2-1 to Chelsea FC in a quarter-final second leg in April 2004.

    • The Gunners have four wins and a draw at home in this season's competition – and have not shipped a goal to a visiting team in the UEFA Champions League for 514 minutes. You have to go back to the previous time they welcomed Premier League opposition here in the competition for the last time they conceded – scored by Liverpool FC's Dirk Kuyt 26 minutes into last season's 1-1 draw in the quarter-final first leg.

    • United, however, have not conceded in their last four away games in the UEFA Champions League knockout stage, since a 1-1 draw at Olympique Lyonnais in the 2007/08 first knockout round. Since then, the holders have recorded a 2-0 win at AS Roma, goalless draws at FC Barcelona and FC Internazionale Milano and a 1-0 win at FC Porto.

    • Ominously for Arsenal, they have managed to prevail only once in the eight UEFA club competition ties in which they lost the first leg away from home, defeating HNK Hajduk Split on away goals in the 1978/79 UEFA Cup second round after a 2-1 away loss was followed by a 1-0 home win. Two recent UEFA Champions League campaigns have been ended in the first knockout round following an away defeat; against PSV Eindhoven in 2006/07 (0-1 away, 1-1 home) and FC Bayern München a year earlier (1-3 away, 1-0 home).

    • Arsenal have lost all four of the ties in which they have suffered a 1-0 away defeat in the first leg. Aside from the PSV defeat, the London club also lost to KFC Winterslag in the 1981/82 UEFA Cup second round (0-1 away, 2-1 home), FK Crvena Zvezda in the 1978/79 UEFA Cup third round (0-1 away, 1-1 home) and PAOK FC in the 1997/98 UEFA Cup first round (0-1 away, 1-1 home).

    • United, by contrast, have won all bar five of the 21 UEFA club competition ties in which they have won the first leg at home. However, on the last occasion, against AC Milan in the 2006/07 UEFA Champions League semi-finals, a 3-2 win at Old Trafford was followed by a 3-0 away defeat.

    • Perhaps more worryingly, United have lost two of three ties in which they won 1-0 at home in the first leg, that sole success coming en route to the club's first European triumph in 1967/68 when a semi-final defeat of Real Madrid CF in Manchester was followed by a 3-3 draw in Spain. United lost to Juventus in the 1976/77 UEFA Cup second round (1-0 home, 0-3 away) and Hungary's Székesfehérvári Videoton SC in the quarter-finals of the same competition in 1984/85 (1-0 home, 0-1 away, 4-5 pens).

    • While Wenger is seeking to guide Arsenal to a second final in four seasons, Sir Alex Ferguson's aim is to retain the trophy United won by defeating another Premier League adversary, Chelsea FC, in last season's final.

    • It looks like a case of the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object given that United have not lost away from home in the competition for more than two years. This eleven-match run dates back to their semi-final loss at AC Milan on 2 May 2007 and includes two wins and three draws on their travels this term.

    • Arsenal beat Villarreal CF in the quarter-finals (1-1 away, 3-0 home) after the drama of a penalty shoot-out victory against Roma in the previous round (1-0 home, 0-1 away, 7-6 pens). They had earlier finished second in Group G with a record of W3 D2 L1.

    • United reached the semi-finals with a 3-2 aggregate victory against Porto (2-2 home, 1-0 away). They had previously overcome Inter (0-0 away, 2-0 home) after finishing top of Group E with a record of W2 D4 L0.

    • This is United's eleventh semi-final in the competition and their record is W3 L7:
    2007/08 FC Barcelona 1-0 won (0-0 away, 1-0 home)
    2006/07 Milan 3-5 lost (3-2 home, 0-3 away)
    2001/02 Bayer 04 Leverkusen 3-3 lost (2-2 home, 1-1 away)
    1998/99 Juventus 4-3 won (1-1 home, 3-2 away)
    1996/97 BV Borussia Dortmund 0-2 lost (0-1 away, 0-1 home)
    1968/69 Milan 1-2 lost (0-2 away, 1-0 home)
    1967/68 Real Madrid CF 4-3 won (1-0 home, 3-3 away)
    1965/66 FK Partizan 1-2 lost (0-2 away, 1-0 home)
    1957/58 Milan 2-5 lost (2-1 home, 0-4 away)
    1956/57 Madrid 3-5 lost (1-3 away, 2-2 home)

    • This is Arsenal's second semi-final, their solitary past appearance having brought victory against Villarreal in 2005/06 (1-0 home, 0-0 away).

    • Aside from last week's first leg, United won on the only previous occasion they have faced another English club in the UEFA Champions League – last season's final against Chelsea in Moscow. Sir Alex's men prevailed 6-5 on penalties after Ronaldo and Frank Lampard had traded first-half goals.

    • Looking further back, they won their sole previous all-English two-legged European tie, defeating then holders Tottenham Hotspur FC in the first round of the 1963/64 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup. United overturned a 2-0 first-leg loss with a 4-1 victory at Old Trafford.

    • Arsenal will be hoping for third time lucky when it comes to facing compatriot clubs in Europe following earlier losses to Chelsea and Liverpool. The Gunners went down 5-3 on aggregate to Liverpool in last season's UEFA Champions League quarter-finals (1-1 home, 2-4 away) having previously lost at the same stage to Chelsea in the 2003/04 competition (1-1 away, 1-2 home).

    • United and Arsenal have met 205 times in all competitions. The head-to-head record is 83 United wins, 77 Arsenal victories and 45 draws.

    • The respective managers are the two longest-serving in the English Premier League, Sir Alex having arrived in Manchester in 1986 and Wenger in London in 1996. Their rivalry has provided no shortage of intrigue and their clubs' full head-to-head record since the 1996/97 season is 14 wins for Arsenal, 14 for United and ten draws, although two of those drawn matches were settled in a shoot-out.

    • Arsenal won the 2005 FA Cup final 5-4 on penalties following a 0-0 draw, Robin van Persie converting for the Gunners and Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney doing likewise for United. Paul Scholes was the only player to fail from the spot.

    • United did emerge triumphant in the 2003 FA Community Shield match between the teams, winning 4-3 on penalties with Scholes and Rio Ferdinand among the successful takers.

    • Arsenal were 2-1 winners the last time they hosted the Premier League titleholders in November. Samir Nasri (22, 48) struck twice for the Gunners before a late reply by Rafael (90).

    • The teams that day were:
    Arsenal: Manuel Almunia (Łukasz Fabiański 78), Bacary Sagna, William Gallas, Mikaël Silvestre, Gaël Clichy, Theo Walcott (Alexandre Song 77), Cesc Fàbregas, Denilson, Samir Nasri, Abou Diaby (Kolo Touré 86), Nicklas Bendtner.
    Manchester United: Edwin van der Sar, Gary Neville (Rafael 63), Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidić, Patrice Evra, Cristiano Ronaldo, Anderson (Ryan Giggs 72), Michael Carrick, Ji-Sung Park, Wayne Rooney (Carlos Tévez 77), Dimitar Berbatov.

    • Arsenal also prevailed the last time United travelled to face them in a cup competition – a 4-0 League Cup third-round win in November 2001. Sylvain Wiltord scored a hat-trick that evening, although United defender O'Shea is the sole survivor from that game in either squad.

    • United have never won at Arsenal's new stadium, their last success in this fixture a 4-2 victory at Highbury on 1 February 2005. United came from behind twice – and overcame the sending-off of Mikaël Silvestre, now an Arsenal player – to win through goals from Ryan Giggs, Ronaldo (2) and O'Shea.

    • Each of the three fixtures between the clubs at Arsenal's new stadium has produced a 90th-minute goal.

    • United have never lost a semi-final meeting with Arsenal – including two successes for Sir Alex over Wenger. The clubs' record in semi-final duels is:
    FA Cup 2003/04, United W 1-0
    FA Cup 1998/99 United D 0-0, W 2-1 (replay, AET)
    FA Cup 1982/83 United W 2-1
    League Cup 1982/83 United W 4-2 (a), W 2-1 (h)

    • Two of United's old guard have scored semi-final winners against Arsenal: Scholes in the FA Cup in 2004, and Ryan Giggs, with a famous extra-time solo effort, in their 1999 FA Cup semi-final replay.

    • Arsenal's home record against United is: W55 D17 L24. However, they have not achieved a result that would be enough to take them into the final since a 3-1 league victory in November 2001, eight matches ago.

    • Thirty of Arsenal's 55 home wins against United have nevertheless come by a margin that would be enough to win this tie outright, while the Gunners have also recorded six 1-0 victories.

    • The teams first came up against each other in London in the old English second division on 30 March 1895, Arsenal running out 3-2 winners.

    • Arsenal's biggest win in the fixture is a 5-0 success in the FA Cup in January 1937.

    • United's biggest victory away to Arsenal came in November 1990 when they shocked an Arsenal side with the league's best defence with a 6-2 triumph in the League Cup fourth round, Lee Sharpe scoring a hat-trick.

    • The highest scoring match between the teams in London was a 5-4 victory for United on 1 February 1958. It was the last game Matt Busby's team played in England before eight of them lost their lives in the Munich air tragedy five days later.

    • Arsenal defender Silvestre scored United's goal in the sides' 1-1 draw in the 2003 Community Shield – a contest United won 4-3 on spot-kicks. Silvestre spent nine years at Old Trafford between 1999 and 2008 and collected a clean sweep of domestic medals, playing his part in four Premier League successes as well as victories in the FA Cup and League Cup.

    • This semi-final will reunite plenty of current international colleagues as United's Ferdinand, Rooney and Wes Brown come up against Theo Walcott, while Patrice Evra has played alongside the injured William Gallas, Bacary Sagna and Nasri for France. Edwin van der Sar and Van Persie were part of the Netherlands squad at UEFA EURO 2008™.

    • A less known international connection is that United midfielder Anderson played alongside Arsenal's Denilson for the Brazil team that finished runners-up at the FIFA U-17 World Cup in Peru in 2005. Another Arsenal player, Carlos Vela, scored the opening goal for winners Mexico in their 3-0 final triumph.

    • The winners will advance to a final against Barcelona or Chelsea at Rome's Stadio Olimpico on 27 May.

    http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/fixturesresults/round=15279/match=302811/report=mb.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭itsjaybud


    jasonorr wrote: »
    My only point is that I don't think we'll have enough going forward to break down United and get the goals that we need. We were awful last week, I don't see us improving enough this week!

    This could be our last big game of the season and the biggest we've had since Paris. It's all or nothing!


    Your dead right its a massive massive game for us tonight but how can you ignore the fact that its the current european and premier league champions that we're playing.

    I really dont mean to be trying to state the obvious and take on board the points that you made but i couldnt disagree more with them!

    Trust me if we can start the 5 players ive already mentioned and they play to their abilities will we have plenty of the ball, create chances and hopefully score 2/3! But its vital also Song plays well in order to cut out the supply to the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo etc!


    If RVP doesnt make it to night, remaining confident will be alot harder and then we probably would see diaby play!


  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭itsjaybud


    Rooney will definitely be deployed on the left side of United's midfield to help the vulnerable looking Evra deal with Walcott.

    They nullified him last week, I think they'll do the same this week.


    Oya how the hell could i forget Rooney practically got back and doubled up on Walcott every time.

    In fairness Rooney is a class act, evra must really love to see him playing out on the left.

    Im hoping he gets booked early and the crazy hot head rooney decides to play!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭redout


    redout wrote: »

    • Each of the three fixtures between the clubs at Arsenal's new stadium has produced a 90th-minute goal.

    :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,685 ✭✭✭Tom65


    I was pretty confident up until today. Look at the (probable) Arsenal team, I'm getting quite nervous Van Persie playing changes things. It gives Arsenal pace they completely lacked last time.

    We really, really need to score first.


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    Can see it going to extra time/penos.

    Will Berbatov take one?? :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    Can see it going to extra time/penos

    Nah, United will definitely score, Arsenal will then need three, which they won't get.

    United to go through, but Arsenal could win the leg.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    Nah, United will definitely score, Arsenal will then need three, which they won't get.

    United to go through, but Arsenal could win the leg.
    Yep, I'd agree with all that. I think there will be goals for both teams and I'm thinking it'll end up 2-1 Arse or 2-2 with Utd squeezing through.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭L'prof


    itsjaybud wrote: »
    Your dead right its a massive massive game for us tonight but how can you ignore the fact that its the current european and premier league champions that we're playing.

    I really dont mean to be trying to state the obvious and take on board the points that you made but i couldnt disagree more with them!

    Trust me if we can start the 5 players ive already mentioned and they play to their abilities will we have plenty of the ball, create chances and hopefully score 2/3! But its vital also Song plays well in order to cut out the supply to the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo etc!


    If RVP doesnt make it to night, remaining confident will be alot harder and then we probably would see diaby play!

    I just think we need to take a gamble tonight to get through! I never said I'd pick Diaby ahead of van Persie, you misinterpreted me there. I'd like to see us play with Fabregas deeper and Diaby more advanced. I know it won't happen, but I can't see us going through without penalties otherwise! If we scored 2/3 tonight, I'd be very surprised!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,725 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Pighead wrote: »
    Yep, I'd agree with all that. I think there will be goals for both teams and I'm thinking it'll end up 2-1 Arse or 2-2 with Utd squeezing through.

    2-1 (8-1)
    2-2 (13-1)
    3-2 (25-1)

    It will be one of thems.

    Should be a good one though.


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