Feedback - what a refreshing change

Jazzy

dr.bollocko wrote: »

He looks like he's smelling something bad. Like sour grapes or something.

good for you

Red Sleeping Beauty

DeVore wrote: »

I'd argue I have remarkably little power here.

What I may have is a modicum of respect from people, but thats not power. I cant snap my fingers and *make* people do things. I cant oppose the will of the moderators massively or I will be a LOT busier then I already am.

I cant force the users against their will, they'll simply abandon the site.

Just because there is a guy in the first seat of the rollercoaster, doesn't mean he has a steering wheel

DeV.

But who does have the steering wheel then ? What kind of person has the time and effort to be on the forum everyday for hours on end watching every little suggestion and watching out for every change and giving a '+1' or a '-1' ?

dr.bollocko

Alan Rouge wrote: »

But who does have the steering wheel then ? What kind of person has the time and effort to be on the forum everyday for hours on end watching every little suggestion and watching out for every change and giving a '+1' or a '-1' ?

AH mods mate.
AH mods.

Tar.Aldarion

I am the AH mod in particular that has the most free time. :pac:

dr.bollocko

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

I am the AH mod in particular that has the most free time. :pac:

Wow!
But... but the backstreet "pharmacist" promised me you would never wake up after those pills.

Tar.Aldarion

That was you!? I thought that erection would never go away. Bet they were placebos, woot woot.

Jazzy

and i got slagged for suggesting ham shamdys

Daysha

Why do I feel I played a part in all this?

DeVore

Alan Rouge wrote: »

But who does have the steering wheel then ? What kind of person has the time and effort to be on the forum everyday for hours on end watching every little suggestion and watching out for every change and giving a '+1' or a '-1' ?

In some ways obviously I have a certain amount of control. That control is tempered by consensus ie: I'm allowed control but with a consensual veto from the people around here...

The really interesting part is the diffusion of control, the idea that we are something of an autonomous commune... (come and see the violence inherent in the system!).
I find that fascinating...

I'm about to ramble so I'll stop.

DeV.

RoundyMooney

The one constructive thing I see looking back over the last two years or so on Feedback is that most of the sycophantic and or pedantic and/or sarcastic harpies have buggered off to pastures new. The links in tallaght01's post here, illustrate this nicely.

Chances are, this would have happened with or without the restrictive and nannying changes to what is the closest thing to a sitewide community forum that boards.ie has got.

The one thing I agree with is the usage of Help Desk for its intended purpose, but the deviation from this was due to neglect rather than evolution.

It seems to me that this whole thread was started in a thinly veiled attempt to vindicate the recent changes on adverts (announcement here refers), which are a whole different debate and bear little relevance to the setup on boards.ie bar shared ownership.

In short, the continuing over moderation of the Feedback forum represents a further stifling of natural debate and conversational flow on boards, and a step backwards, IMO.

Either create a new "community" forum to give the boardsies their head, or wind your necks in, people.

edit @ Tom: Please do ramble. I always enjoy hearing your opinion, thoughts and input, and as Hughie Green might have said, I mean that most sincerely.

muffler

RoundyMooney wrote: »

It seems to me that this whole thread was started in a thinly veiled attempt to vindicate the recent changes on adverts (announcement here refers), which are a whole different debate and bear little relevance to the setup on boards.ie bar shared ownership.

What in the name of Jesus, Mary and their wee donkey is that all about? What has anything on Adverts.ie got to do with this thread?

I started the thread for the reasons stated in my opening post but if you feel so paranoid about the whole issue then by all means read what you will into it if thats what it takes to float your boat.

Have to say Im disappointed (although not surprised) at that comment. I never thought you would call in to question or attempt to distort my motives for starting a thread like this. You obviously dont know me at all.

DeVore

And before we get off topic, lets stay on topic: Feedback.

Adverts is a whole different and sorely complicated issue that hopefully will be resolved in medium future. I didnt read Mufflers post as anything to do with Adverts and tbh, RM I think you are seeing what you want to see in that.


Feedback has definitely become more reasonable, partly because the questioning of sanctions (by far the most emotive and argumentative issues) are now hit on the head fast in Helpdesk.

Feedback as a result is finding a new purpose but tbh, I'm not sure its very clear yet what that is. I'm happy to let it find its own way but I'm also becoming opposed to listening to every Tom Dick and Harry's opinion of what we should do. Very often we (and I mean everyone old-skool here) have considered examined and occasionally actually *tried* what they are suggesting. Other times they are simply unworkable due to work load, nice ideas but just not going to fly for real-world reasons (like Mysterious's idea of having a judge and jury for each complaint about modding).

I have feeling we are searching for a "perfect solution" in a field which simply doesnt have anything better then "muddle through and be happy in yourself that you are doing the right thing". I can live with the latter if I'm happy that I've done my best... the conditional part of that statement is exercising my mind at the moment.

DeV.

Boston

Feedback should be a forum were users get to have an input of site changes before they happen. Too often the end user finds out about changes only after they have been put in place. Case in point being the change to the front page a few months back which required a u-turn after it went live. There are all these little changes which often effect the philosophy of boards and the first time I, or other users, find out about them is when they hit us in the face. As another example, when Vexorg stepped down there should have been a thread here started by an admin on the topic rather then the mindless conjecture which resulted. Feedback should be a "community interaction forum".

RoundyMooney

Fair enough muffler, I retract that remark with good grace. I was obviously wrong to draw that assumption. Apologies.

@ boston. +1. I think that uninformed conjecture has been a very big problem on this site over many years, and that more transparency, where possible, can only be A Good Thing.

@Dev: Perhaps a case can be made then for some kind of community conduit, where people can make suggestions, and ideas and information etc., can filter both down and up. A new sys forum perhaps, in tandem with the cross sectional group you were talking about some time ago?

FlutterinBantam

This is getting fcuking serious:eek:

Lot of big words there Roundy, good man I like that.

Like the big ones.

DeVore

Boston wrote: »

Feedback should be a forum were users get to have an input of site changes before they happen. Too often the end user finds out about changes only after they have been put in place. Case in point being the change to the front page a few months back which required a u-turn after it went live. There are all these little changes which often effect the philosophy of boards and the first time I, or other users, find out about them is when they hit us in the face. As another example, when Vexorg stepped down there should have been a thread here started by an admin on the topic rather then the mindless conjecture which resulted. Feedback should be a "community interaction forum".

I agree with you Boston, I think I've always done that where it was possible. However, I've also simply driven things forward and people have screamed at me but then gone "oh, actually, thats good".

Things have changed very quickly lately and I've been trying to keep everyone informed. I owe "Feedback" a big long post explaining whats been happening. I take your point that some things should be discussed BEFORE hand and the example of the design was a good one, you werent the only one who didnt get a preview of that.

Somethings I will come and debate things here, and sometimes thats not appropriate. I make no apologies for making that distinction but I take your point that the former is not something we should lose...

DeV.

muffler

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Fair enough muffler, I retract that remark with good grace. I was obviously wrong to draw that assumption. Apologies.

Apology accepted. Lets put this behind us and move on.