Election Poster Discussion

Sully

nkay1985 wrote: »

Well seeing as there are no Greens in the city anymore now that Mr. Mc Can't has gone rogue, I can't judge them. I'l take your word though.

There are.. At least two. Actually one posted here earlier but it was removed by the Smods as it was political spam. Head out to Tramore and see Stans if your interested.

I agree to a point with the Fine Gael. They do look very professional but I'm not sure about the background. And I think it was a bad decision to have John Cummins not wear a tie for his picture. I know he's young and all but he could have had a really nice, modern tie and looked a lot better.

Its different to the traditional. I assume it meant "at the heart of the community". The name and logo all sits very well. Havent really seen Johns poster but I think the tie is a minor thing. Young candidate, fresh face with his father doing very well in politics - should do pretty well id say.

Yeah I saw that on here. Don't know much about it tbh.

But your SF, surely you know that the SF candidates had loads up before the permitted time and are probably the party with the most. Actually didnt recognise the girl for europe.

I have no idea actually. It was one thing I didn't think to ask about. I konw that none of this stuff is ever cheap though.

Im not sure do they charge for design, which would be pricey but printing should be cheap. Do new SF candidates not get them for free?

nkay1985

Sully wrote: »

Its different to the traditional. I assume it meant "at the heart of the community". The name and logo all sits very well. Havent really seen Johns poster but I think the tie is a minor thing. Young candidate, fresh face with his father doing very well in politics - should do pretty well id say.

Yeah you make a good point there actually. They do look very slick alright. I just can't get on board with the no-tie thing though (I think I'm only a year older than John like!).

Sully wrote: »

But your SF, surely you know that the SF candidates had loads up before the permitted time and are probably the party with the most. Actually didnt recognise the girl for europe.

Yeah but I wasn't involved in putting up the posters. And I think I was on evenings that week so probably didn't cop if they were up early.

I'm surprised you didn't recognise her. It's Toireasa Ferris, Martin Ferris' daughter. I think she has a reasonable national profile but would definitely be better known down in Kerry. I think she looks very well on her poster.

Sully wrote: »

Im not sure do they charge for design, which would be pricey but printing should be cheap. Do new SF candidates not get them for free?

I don't know actually. I know my dad had a fund-raiser to finance his posters so he didn't get them for free. Don't remember them being free last time out but I could be wrong. I think you raised a good point there earlier about how effective posters are and have any studies been done.

I suppose the thinking is that you would never take the risk by not doing them. Actually, I did hear that Mary Roche isn't putting any up. I don't think it's for any green reason though. I'm open for correction or more detail if anybody has it.

Sully

I believe she said its because people didnt like them. She reads the forums as i think someone claimed she quoted people here but never posted. Maybe she will now?

nkay1985

Sully wrote: »

I believe she said its because people didnt like them. She reads the forums as i think someone claimed she quoted people here but never posted. Maybe she will now?

Maybe. I'd be interested to hear her reasoning and whether she thinks it'll hurt her at all.

dannydiamond

Stan Nangle wrote: »

It's a catch 22.

If you don't put them up you don't get the votes!

And here was me like a fool thinking that the candidates qualities decided elections.

I understand that if one does it everyone has to,but there's one or two who have a considerable amount more than the rest and that does more to turn me against them to be honest.

It's like a battle of the mugshots out there,and to be fair you're all fighting a losing battle, Toireasa Ferris has you all crushed. :pac:

Cabaal

Stan Nangle wrote: »

It's a catch 22.

If you don't put them up you don't get the votes!

I don't know about that now, parties could do more legwork and actually talk to people on the streets....in fairness what does a party think a poster will do for them?
- It doesn't tell people your views
- Doesn't give any background info
- Doesn't tell you what the person is like

Surely this can only be done by actually talking to people?
Look at all the money you'd save on posters?

Mickdots

anyone see the Real IRA or CIRA posters up around the town?

they just say "imformers wanted apply to gerry adams martin mcguinness and May lou mcdonald"

defo 1 of those groups!!

Sully

Mickdots wrote: »

anyone see the Real IRA or CIRA posters up around the town?

they just say "imformers wanted apply to gerry adams martin mcguinness and May lou mcdonald"

defo 1 of those groups!!

The black and white A4 pages stuck onto various ESB/Eircom boxes?

gscully

nkay1985 wrote: »

Has anybody driven down by The Grange today? It appears that Gary Wyse has grown some horns and a Devil beard! And someone was very inventive with one of Jim Darcy's posters with the word "GAY" in large lettering on the poster. Also, John Cummins has a Hitler moustache in one of the posters around!

It's bad because these people have to spend money on them, and they're not cheap. But, on the other hand, it is funny. Maybe they'll learn to put them up a bit higher next time out.

I noticed another one yesterday morning on the Viewmount fence at the Tesco Ardkeen roundabout. A large poster of Jack Walsh and Alan Kelly, and sprayed across it in large letters was 'F*GG*TS'. I admit, I did laugh. It reminded me of the time they opened the dual-carriageway at the time of the Tall Ships and then closed it again afterwards, and someone sprayed across the barrier something like 'Open up the f**ken road already!'.

Anyway, the Labour poster had disappeared by tea-time yesterday. So, if we want the parties to take down the posters as soon as the elections end, all we have to do is write ''F*GG*TS' on them. Seems to work!

old gregg

comedy poster of the campaign award could go to the WP one of the guy with the crooked glasses + 3D cords and vote 'No 1' instead of 'No. 1' typo.

Never met the man but surely someone should have managed the photo shoot and checked the poster wording. It does him no favours.

Sully

old gregg wrote: »

comedy poster of the campaign award could go to the WP one of the guy with the crooked glasses + 3D cords and vote 'No 1' instead of 'No. 1' typo.

Never met the man but surely someone should have managed the photo shoot and checked the poster wording. It does him no favours.

I think thats the most genuine poster of them all, very amusing!

wfman

for all the posters up so far its a shame only 2 candidates had them printed locally.

Cabaal

wfman wrote: »

for all the posters up so far its a shame only 2 candidates had them printed locally.

Where did the rest get them printed?

wfman

Cabaal wrote: »

Where did the rest get them printed?

mostly in dublin.

Sully

wfman wrote: »

mostly in dublin.

Which two candidates? Most of the partys got them done via HQ in Dublin mainly because the brand design was only available in HQ. It was professionally done and there usually printed there (sometimes cheaper). They turned out nicer - FG, SF, Greens. FF isnt the best, and they were done professionally I think.

If you spot a poster thats not the same design as the common party one - its either an old design or was done locally. (One FG at least is using an older design)

Sometimes candidates go to a printer with little design experience to create their posters and they turn out poor. I believe this includes the Independents, not sure about the other smaller groups. People dont know the difference between designers and printers sometimes!

south

Toireasa Ferris is looking mighty fine in her one

wfman

Sully wrote: »

Which two candidates? Most of the partys got them done via HQ in Dublin mainly because the brand design was only available in HQ. It was professionally done and there usually printed there (sometimes cheaper). They turned out nicer - FG, SF, Greens. FF isnt the best, and they were done professionally I think.

If you spot a poster thats not the same design as the common party one - its either an old design or was done locally. (One FG at least is using an older design)

Sometimes candidates go to a printer with little design experience to create their posters and they turn out poor. I believe this includes the Independents, not sure about the other smaller groups. People dont know the difference between designers and printers sometimes!

id prefer if the money was spent in waterford by the local candidates.In these times.

Sully

wfman wrote: »

id prefer if the money was spent in waterford by the local candidates.In these times.

Its a matter of having the right identity/apperance and being within your budget. If none of this can be provided down here... what do you expect?

wfman

i think thats a bit of an injustice to the local printers.candidates are speaking about unemployment and jobs been lost locally.look at the money spent on posters and leaflets outside of waterford.

Sully

wfman wrote: »

i think thats a bit of an injustice to the local printers.candidates are speaking about unemployment and jobs been lost locally.look at the money spent on posters and leaflets outside of waterford.

I completely understand your point. I always keep my print work local but I will shop around for the best deal (in one case, I was offered a great deal in Cork so I took it).

I think candidates were disapointed with the work quality (design wise) a printer gave, where in HQ they were getting much better work quality. Might have been cheaper to print, im not sure. At the end of the day, quality counts. If you get **** looking leaflets, posters etc. you will be the laughing stock. Get something done right, and it will help your image.

It would probably work out pricey coming to a designer then going to a printer. So if HQ are doing design and print, at very good quality, for either the same price or a little dearer then thats how people will spend their money. Doesnt help us, but its how they choose to spend money within their budget.

(In the case of the greens, nobody here could provide them with the type of board they wanted)

old gregg

south wrote: »

Toireasa Ferris is looking mighty fine in her one

yep, I'll be splashing on the old spice and wearing the gold medallion when she comes canvassing in my area. and yes I know she's down in Kerry but I'm already writing up my pages of questions

south

old gregg wrote: »

yep, I'll be splashing on the old spice and wearing the gold medallion when she comes canvassing in my area. and yes I know she's down in Kerry but I'm already writing up my pages of questions

she came 7th in the most beautiful female politicians in the world poll

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1164744/The-worlds-beautiful-female-politicians-revealed-surprise-surprise-theres-British-woman-them.html

Our man in Havana

If the candidate themselves does not come to my door they do not get my vote. Hired canvassers need not apply.

old gregg

south wrote: »

she came 7th in the most beautiful female politicians in the world poll

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1164744/The-worlds-beautiful-female-politicians-revealed-surprise-surprise-theres-British-woman-them.html

well, dip me in sh1t and roll me in breadcrumbs! It looks like I should wander over to the 'back to my roots' thread cos I'm gonna have to get some work done if I want to look my James Bond best when she arrives to say hello

gscully

south wrote: »

she came 7th in the most beautiful female politicians in the world poll

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1164744/The-worlds-beautiful-female-politicians-revealed-surprise-surprise-theres-British-woman-them.html

I had a couple of things recording on Sky last week, so I had to revert to terrestrial tv. I eventually found my way to Rai Uno and didn't go past it. There was a babe I couldn't keep my eyes off. Turns out she is the former exotic-dancer turned Italian politician who is No.4 on that list - Mara Carfagna.

Our man in Havana

Silvio Berlusconi has quite a few models running in the European Parliament elections.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6150318.ece
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/29/silvio-berlusconis-wife-a_n_192781.html

old gregg

gscully wrote: »

I had a couple of things recording on Sky last week, so I had to revert to terrestrial tv. I eventually found my way to Rai Uno and didn't go past it. There was a babe I couldn't keep my eyes off. Turns out she is the former exotic-dancer turned Italian politician who is No.4 on that list - Mara Carfagna.

if Mara Carfagna were the local Green party candidate she could object to every single planning application and she'd still get my support :P

Cabaal

There's also this candidate in Kilkenny who's running for FF

Mickdots

halligan got his posters done in waterford,

costs had a major factor in the size of his posters! only got 120 printed!


as for ferris, id give her 1, but i wont give her my number 1


id rather pole dance in dignity before id vote for sinn fein

Our man in Havana

halligan got his posters done in waterford,

costs had a major factor in the size of his posters! only got 120 printed!

I believe he has used the same poster for years and he does re-use them.

Mickdots

no,

all new posters, old posters had the workers party on them

old gregg

I just love how men (me included) can put aside all political differences and ideologies as long as the candidates are hot. If I lived in Kilkenny I'd vote FF whereas I'll set the dog on any of the local candidates in Waterford

AdMMM

Bond-007 wrote: »

I believe he has used the same poster for years and he does re-use them.

You haven't seen any of his posters so?

xFROSTY Gx

Was just on my way home there. Coming off the ring road at the williamstown roundabout and I noticed that your view of cars coming from the right is fairly minimised with all the posters on the centre railing blocking your view. I dont think posters should be allowed there imo

Sully

xFROSTY Gx wrote: »

Was just on my way home there. Coming off the ring road at the williamstown roundabout and I noticed that your view of cars coming from the right is fairly minimised with all the posters on the centre railing blocking your view. I dont think posters should be allowed there imo

From what I was told, there not. I guess the council cba removing them.

meldrew

I just passed the Couse roundabout earlier and Sinn Fen were putting more up down there , there does.nt seem to be any spare room at that roundabout now

nkay1985

Bond-007 wrote: »

If the candidate themselves does not come to my door they do not get my vote. Hired canvassers need not apply.

I'm interested in this viewpoint. Do you mean that if there's a team of 5 or 6 canvassers out, and your house doesn't happen to be the 1 in 6 that the candidate arrives at, then you won't vote for him/her? Or that, in that case, you'll request to speak to the candidate?

Sully

Its next to impossible to get the candidate to comne to your door - if there canvassing, hes in your estate. At least in Waterford, I think its far to big of a task. They usually do their best but time is tight. Ask to speak to them if you like.

What I have noticed is that many people wont walk up to my door (its a longsh driveway) and just shove their leaflet in the gate.

dlofnep

Agreed. It's not possible for a councillor to talk to everyone at every door. The councillor/candidate should be with all those canvassing though - so wouldn't it make more sense to just ask to speak to the candidate instead of coming on boards moaning about how you're not going to vote for them?

You obviously aren't involved in the grassroots of any party, because you'd otherwise know how impossible of a task this is to do.

Our man in Havana

I have told canvassers this in the past that they have lost a vote because of the candidates non attendance. I do want to address specific issues with them. Telling the canvasser is a waste of time.
I don't live on an estate so I can't argue the toss with them.
I do know that at least one will visit me and he is guaranteed my vote.

You obviously aren't involved in the grassroots of any party, because you'd otherwise know how impossible of a task this is to do.

I don't have time to get mixed up with all the back stabbing and infighting of the local parties.

wfman

wonder if the lads putting up Kathy Sinnott's posters forgot to bring a ladder with them!

Our man in Havana

wfman wrote: »

wonder if the lads putting up Kathy Sinnott's posters forgot to bring a ladder with them!

It is not just Waterford. They are very low down everywhere.

nkay1985

Bond-007 wrote: »

I have told canvassers this in the past that they have lost a vote because of the candidates non attendance. I do want to address specific issues with them. Telling the canvasser is a waste of time.
I don't live on an estate so I can't argue the toss with them.
I do know that at least one will visit me and he is guaranteed my vote.

I don't have time to get mixed up with all the back stabbing and infighting of the local parties.

Well, I know that my father hasn't had people canvassing without him. He'd always be part of the team out canvassing so if someone at a door I call to wants to speak to him, I'll just call him over.

Are you saying you won't vote for someone if the candidate isn't part of the canvassing team?

Our man in Havana

If they cared enough about me as a voter they would make the effort. I would certainly make the effort to vote.

Any whoo it is generally the independents that get my vote. I had a nice chap at the door the other day, he is up there in contention for my number 1.

nkay1985

Bond-007 wrote: »

If they cared enough about me as a voter they would make the effort. I would certainly make the effort to vote.

Any whoo it is generally the independents that get my vote. I had a nice chap at the door the other day, he is up there in contention for my number 1.

Sorry, I'm really not understanding you. Are you suggesting that every candidate should call to your door personally?

Our man in Havana

If they cared they would.

nkay1985

Bond-007 wrote: »

If they cared they would.

Do you not see the impracticality of that? It'd be physically impossible for a candidate to canvass every single house in his constituency. You're talking tens of thousands of people.

I wouldn't have a problem with you saying to another member of a canvassing team, "I'd actually like to speak to the candidate", in which case they'd get him/her.

Otherwise, if you're using this as one of your criteria as to whether to vote for someone or not, you're leaving it to chance. Because one party might have 12 canvassers out, and luckily for them, your house is the one in twelve that the candidate calls to.

Another party might have only the candidate and one other, and your house could be the one in two that the candidate manages to miss.

So it's not that candidate #1 made more effort in order to call into you, it's just luck. And you therefore discount candidate #2 through no fault of their own!

dlofnep

Bond-007 wrote: »

If they cared they would.

Do you know how many households are in every ward? It's not possible. At all.

The way it works is - a team of canvassers will go out, WITH the politician. If you need to address an issue with them, they can just call him/her over to you for a chat. That's how it works. You still get to speak to them, instead of not bothering to call them over - but surprisingly still find the time to moan about it on boards.

What you are asking is not possible, from any politician.

Our man in Havana

I have asked in the past and all they say is he is not doing this village etc. Then I say can I call him to speak to him about issue xyz?
No, he doesn't have the time to talk to you, read his leaflet instead. So they basically don't want to address issues.

I don't live in a ward or any urban type scenario. But the independents tend to be much better at responding to requests for meetings etc.

AdMMM

Bond-007 wrote: »

If they cared they would.

If they started canvassing in September.... of 2006, then maybe they might have been able to talk to each and every one of the electorate but such a thing is highly unpractical and a waste of time.

From my experience, canvassers are friends, family and dedicated supporters of the candidate, who are in tune with the issues in hand. They aren't hired hands like you suggest and at most they might get a small party at the end of it all as a token of appreciation. Now they can't speak for the candidate but they can, and do, pass on any feedback they've received at the doorsteps.

Your own system of choosing who to vote for is nothing but a glorified lottery.