Your least favorite WWE sports entertainers?

ShawnRaven

DM-ICE wrote: »

Low Ki perhaps. Tyson is small enough for rey.

I do miss cruiserweights.

Maybe i'm being picky, but i don't think Tyson is small enough, i thought Matt Hardy was too big for him at Mania XIX!

The question is why did they bring him back then?

No clue, it's not like they've used him much except for Mayweather, unless it was to throw money at him to keep him from going elsewhere. That's only speculation on my part though.

Rjd2

Rey

Big Show is one of the best big men in the business. He has credibility that none of the other so called monsters have and beating him is a genuine rub. He was also in the biggest drawing match of the last Mania so he clearly has something going for him.
EDIT: His run as ECW Champion was awesome as well.

DM_7

Taker

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Maybe i'm being picky, but i don't think Tyson is small enough, i thought Matt Hardy was too big for him at Mania XIX!

Thats fair. I would rather see tyson work with the bigger guys anyway.

ShawnRaven wrote: »

No clue, it's not like they've used him much except for Mayweather, unless it was to throw money at him to keep him from going elsewhere. That's only speculation on my part though.

Floyd and the punch was pretty nice. I will never figure out how show ended up in the edge v cena match at mania.

DM_7

Taker

Rjd2 wrote: »

Big Show is one of the best big men in the business. He has credibility that none of the other so called monsters have and beating him is a genuine rub. He was also in the biggest drawing match of the last Mania so he clearly has something going for him.
EDIT: His run as ECW Champion was awesome as well.

Wow!

I don't get it myself but i'm glad to know that big show can give at least one person enjoyment.

His ECW run was good but only because (In my eyes) it was on ecw. Guys could use "foreign objest", to make up for the lack of options a normal show match can has.

ShawnRaven

Rjd2 wrote: »

EDIT: His run as ECW Champion was awesome as well.

I'd like you to elaboate as to how it was awesome? The belt was thrown on him cos RVD got sh*tcanned and he looked completely out of place on that brand during that run in my honest opinion.

Rjd2

Rey

DM-ICE wrote: »

Wow!

I don't get it myself but i'm glad to know that big show can give at least one person enjoyment.

His ECW run was good but only because (In my eyes) it was on ecw. Guys could use "foreign objest", to make up for the lack of options a normal show match can has.

To be honest I am not much of a fan as he is a notoriously lazy, I won’t deny that the guy has a lot of worth to the company though.
His match with Flair at ECW was really good by the way.

DM_7

Taker

Rjd2 wrote: »

His match with Flair at ECW was really good by the way.

I will have to look that one up later, after smackdown (Which i'm watching on record and enjoying so far). I don't remember it.

Rjd2

Rey

ShawnRaven wrote: »

I'd like you to elaboate as to how it was awesome? The belt was thrown on him cos RVD got sh*tcanned and he looked completely out of place on that brand during that run in my honest opinion.

He gave the belt some much needed credibility, and when compared to the others who held the belt he was the biggest star to hold it.
(new ECW by the way)
Oh and to clarify personally he does little for me, but I can't deny the guy's worth to the WWE, awesome may have been to strong of a word when I think back to it.

ShawnRaven

Rjd2 wrote: »

He gave the belt some much needed credibility, and when compared to the others who held the belt he was the biggest star to hold it.
(new ECW by the way)

I honestly can't agree with you there. Big Slow and titles in WWE tend to go hand in hand with flies and sh*t. If anything, he's de-credited titles in that promotion!

Rjd2

Rey

ShawnRaven wrote: »

I honestly can't agree with you there. Big Slow and titles in WWE tend to go hand in hand with flies and sh*t. If anything, he's de-credited titles in that promotion!

Fair enough but its not like Hunter, Cena, Batista, Edge or any other main eventer was on ECW at the time. I mean compared to Matt, Mizark, Lashley, Morrison and Punk is he that unbelievable as champion?

DM_7

Taker

Rjd2 wrote: »

Fair enough but its not like Hunter, Cena, Batista, Edge or any other main eventer was on ECW at the time. I mean compared to Matt, Mizark, Lashley, Morrison and Punk is he that unbelievable as champion?

Chavo

Fozzy

Santino!

Why do you think Mayweather vs Big Show was the biggest drawing match last year? I never saw any evidence for this, especially when Mayweather's drawing power in boxing is questionable

Rjd2

Rey

Fozzy wrote: »

Why do you think Mayweather vs Big Show was the biggest drawing match last year? I never saw any evidence for this, especially when Mayweather's drawing power in boxing is questionable

Which match got the most coverage in the media?
Even people who did not like wrestling wanted to see how the match would turn out. The retirement match was big but I doubt it generated the same interest that Show and Mayweather did.

ShawnRaven

Rjd2 wrote: »

Which match got the most coverage in the media?

Hang on a sec! There's a big difference between media coverage, and drawing money.

Bubs101

Khali

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Hang on a sec! There's a big difference between media coverage, and drawing money.

Yeah but they're very very closely related. More media attention increases your awareness which increases you potential buy rate. Media coverage is essential for a big one

ShawnRaven

Bubs101 wrote: »

Yeah but they're very very closely related. More media attention increases your awareness which increases you potential buy rate. Media coverage is essential for a big one

Not in the case of Mayweather and Big Slow, especially as most of Mania had sold prior to that match being announced anyway.

DM_7

Taker

Any interest it did generate was becasue of shows size and mayweathers profile. Nothing to do with shows wrestling ability.

Bubs101

Khali

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Not in the case of Mayweather and Big Slow, especially as most of Mania had sold prior to that match being announced anyway.

Mania in tickets sell out before card is announced shocker. It's all about the PPV and I think you'll find that was the case for 24 just as it was for 23 with Trump just as it won't be stateside for 25. All about Media

DM-ICE wrote: »

Any interest it did generate was becasue of shows size and mayweathers profile. Nothing to do with shows wrestling ability.

Obviously, look is the most important thing in wrestling. It's why Andre Hogan did well. Andre was god awful in the ring and couldn't talk. he was just a big guy

DM_7

Taker

Bubs101 wrote: »

Obviously, look is the most important thing in wrestling. It's why Andre Hogan did well. Andre was god awful in the ring and couldn't talk. he was just a big guy

True

But it Looks stupid everytime they lose/lost a match. In their careers if either andre or big show decided "i'm not losing tonight", there is nothing anyone could do to make them lose.
Guys like that actually (For me) take away some credibility from matches. When Edge spears show it just makes both of them look daft.

Just to make it look credible, everytime you have a guy like Show wrestling it means you need
1. A muscled up superhero to beat them
or/and
2. Some sort of gimmick match they can take a fall in
Boring

Fozzy

Santino!

DM-ICE wrote: »

True

But it Looks stupid everytime they lose/lost a match. In their careers if either andre or big show decided "i'm not losing tonight", there is nothing anyone could do to make them lose.
Guys like that actually (For me) take away some credibility from matches. When Edge spears show it just makes both of them look daft.

Just to make it look credible, everytime you have a guy like Show wrestling it means you need
1. A muscled up superhero to beat them
or/and
2. Some sort of gimmick match they can take a fall in
Boring

Have you ever seen any MMA fights were huge guys were beaten by guys the size of Mysterio? It happens in real life, why not wrestling?

JP Liz

Shane

Batista
Henry
Big Show
Michelle TheTool
Chavio

DM_7

Taker

Fozzy wrote: »

Have you ever seen any MMA fights were huge guys were beaten by guys the size of Mysterio? It happens in real life, why not wrestling?

Any guy can have a glass chin in a real fight, now is not the time for me to discuss how believable or credible that looks as this isn't the mma forum and if it was my feelings would get me banned!

As this is my opinion, regardless of what happens in mma. Big show getting beat by somone reys size in wrestling, to me, looks stupid. It even looks daft if a bigger guy like a jericho or hardy beat him. Thats why i think you need a superhero persona to beat them and its been done to death.

krudler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZMrOV22rRc

Bit of a different side to Santino there, pity they dont have him keep the goofy gimmick but still kick arse when he needs to, it worked for Kurt Angle

Machismo Fan

Rey

krudler wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZMrOV22rRc

Bit of a different side to Santino there, pity they dont have him keep the goofy gimmick but still kick arse when he needs to, it worked for Kurt Angle

But Santino is no Kurt Angle.

DM_7

Taker

krudler wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZMrOV22rRc

Bit of a different side to Santino there, pity they dont have him keep the goofy gimmick but still kick arse when he needs to, it worked for Kurt Angle

Why not. He could be a joker but if you hit him enough times he starts to get serious. They have done it before but it may be to late to change him back now.

CMpunked

Shane

krudler wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZMrOV22rRc

Bit of a different side to Santino there, pity they dont have him keep the goofy gimmick but still kick arse when he needs to, it worked for Kurt Angle

From watching that...

Does it seem as if they got the gimmicks completely mixed up with this guy:

DM_7

Taker

C-B-G wrote: »

From watching that...

Does it seem as if they got the gimmicks completely mixed up with this guy:

There is some weird crossover thing going on there.

CMpunked

Shane

Kahli had so much potential when he fist showed up:

MickL

Beth

Santino was brilliant on Monday Night Raw just gone!

ShawnRaven

Guys, we managed a couple of pages of discussion without the aid of limiting it to youtube videos. We have one video thread, we don't need another.

Cheers.

rossie1977

C-B-G wrote: »

Kahli had so much potential when he fist showed up:

that khali debut appearance was an exact copy of giant gonzales' wwe debut at the royal rumble in 1993 just minus the ape suit

ShawnRaven

rossie1977 wrote: »

that khali debut appearance was an exact copy of giant gonzales' wwe debut at the royal rumble in 1993 just minus the ape suit

Which was a exact copy of Zeus debut in WWE in 1989 on Saturday Nights Main Event.

CMpunked

Shane

rossie1977 wrote: »

that khali debut appearance was an exact copy of giant gonzales' wwe debut at the royal rumble in 1993 just minus the ape suit

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Which was a exact copy of Zeus debut in WWE in 1989 on Saturday Nights Main Event.

"Wheel of morality turn, turn, turn, tell us the lesson that we have learnt.."

"WWE repeats itself more times than friends on channel4/E4"

chopperbyrne

Santino!

Rey.

He is just phoning in every match now and living off the merchandising %.

He should never be in matches with heavyweights ever.

Anyone who still likes him should watch his WCW stuff (pre giant killer) and you'll change your mind.

DM_7

Taker

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Rey.

He is just phoning in every match now and living off the merchandising %.

He should never be in matches with heavyweights ever.

Anyone who still likes him should watch his WCW stuff (pre giant killer) and you'll change your mind.

Reys body isn't up to that style anymore. He's making the best of whats left.

I don't mind people having a dislike to him but its a bit unfair to compare his work then (WCW) to now, without considering the injuries he has had.

CMpunked

Shane

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Rey.

He is just phoning in every match now and living off the merchandising %.

He should never be in matches with heavyweights ever.

Anyone who still likes him should watch his WCW stuff (pre giant killer) and you'll change your mind.

His WCW stuff was good but his time in ECW was better, it was more raw and you could tell he really wanted to show what he was worth so he excelled in his talents.

But you cant compare that to now, he is a different wrestler, owing majority to the fact that he isn't as young to what he was.(as is anyone )

But if you want rey style from back then these days, look up some of evan bornes vidoes on the Tube.

I would but i think i've reached my weekly limit on the forum.

OrtonViper

Cena

C-B-G wrote: »

But if you want rey style from back then these days, look up some of evan bornes vidoes on the Tube.

I would but i think i've reached my weekly limit on the forum.

If it's just high flying you're looking for, Matt Sydel isn't the one I'd be looking up. Look up Mistico or something.

CMpunked

Shane

OrtonViper wrote: »

If it's just high flying you're looking for, Matt Sydel isn't the one I'd be looking up. Look up Mistico or something.

Good call.

I wasn't meaning just a high flying wrestler but more of that sort of enthusiasm and energy that Rey had back in the day.

OrtonViper

Cena

Yeah, as much as I like people like Mistico, I prefer people like Aj Styles, Austin Aries and Bryan Danielson. Not only have they high flying ability, their certainly not week and can lift many men. Hopefully with this TV deal ROH won't become what TNA is starting to become ad what WWE is.

Anyway, let's not get off topic. I choose Triple H because if it meant him dying and not getting recognition from WWE, I would be willing to cut all 8 of my fingers off.

DM_7

Taker

Does Micheal Cole count as a sports entertainer? He does my nut in.

OrtonViper

Cena

DM-ICE wrote: »

Does Micheal Cole count as a sports entertainer? He does my nut in.

Maybe not a "sports entertainer", but perhaps and "entertainer".

krudler

I met Cole in Orlando last year, what an utter cockbag, he was whinging to Kerwin Selfies (top bloke btw, guy with grey hair, beard and glasses always crops up on the dvds,had a great chat with him) that he didnt get to call enough matches on the Mania 24 card (as if the main event isnt enough)